Does it list what games fall under which category? would like to see sales figures to coincide with those graphsSome data-
Sure. And I think we are adult enough (most of the times) not to attack other users about something as trivial as video games.If we expect people to come in and take our bitching without complaint, I think the very least we can do is be adult enough to accept positive/neutral talk about the store here too without attacking other forum members. That thread title doesn't lean one way or another, neither should discussion.
I didn't realize the thread was so long (200ppp makes it 60 pages right now). We could always close this thread and create a new one in its place that tries to accommodate both outlooks on the store? Start fresh? 2020 has seen weirder thingsSure. And I think we are adult enough (most of the times) not to attack other users about something as trivial as video games.
But, this thread has 240 pages, and basically people come here to post about the free games, or about deals, or whatever, and have a back history of 200+ pages with negative comments about the store. Because, again, this thread was created not as a community thread, but as a news post (that somewhere along the line turned into the go place for new exclusivity announcements, and all the feedback that followed).
I think a thread that users can follow just for the deals, new game announcements, free games, ..., would probably be more positive to EGS users.
I mean, personally, I'm not an EGS user, and don't have much interest in the store, but I follow the Steam thread, and if every time I had a notification, and opened the thread, and all I saw were people complaining about Valve, or arguing with each other about something, I would not find it a very enticing prospect.
Again, this is just a suggestion.
But, I think people should have a place to just check updates, and have positive interactions, and frankly, for EGS users, I don't think this thread isn't it.
That's another alternative.I didn't realize the thread was so long (200ppp makes it 60 pages right now). We could always close this thread and create a new one in its place that tries to accommodate both outlooks on the store? Start fresh? 2020 has seen weirder things
I don't have a link, sorry. I should have bookmarked it.Anyone have a link to the original post/moment on Era? I feel the need to go back to it.
Tim sure knows how to pick them.BOMBA
The ones from the last sale haven't expired yet, so they're probably expecting people will use those.So no more Epic coupons?
Outside of the Rocket League promotion, Epic only does the coupons during their big sales every ~6 months or so. They will probably have the coupon during their holiday sale. A more interesting question is if Epic will have unlimited coupons again or limit it to one per customer. They're already taking a bath for every coupon redeemed.So no more Epic coupons?
If Epic does coupons again, I completely expect Cyberpunk to be excluded. CDPR would probably not be happy about their GOG version being undercut (especially after they did a price adjustment to exclude The Witcher 3 from being eligible for a coupon).The ones from the last sale haven't expired yet, so they're probably expecting people will use those.
Plus I'm not sure CDPR will be happy if Epic starts handing out coupons that can be used against Cyberpunk 2077 next month, so I'm not expecting more Epic coupons until a sale for a few more months.
When The Witcher 3 came to EGS it had a launch discount and people could use the coupon to bring it down to like $5 and CDPR lowered the games price by 1 cent so people wouldn't be able to do that. The game is 5 years old. They're definitely gonna want to avoid letting people use coupons on Cyberpunk.Plus I'm not sure CDPR will be happy if Epic starts handing out coupons that can be used against Cyberpunk 2077 next month, so I'm not expecting more Epic coupons until a sale for a few more months.
If I recall, publishers/devs were not made aware of how the sale discount was being implemented during that first sale before hand. CDPR may be shitty, but if they don't want to have their game included in a sale or in a special section of sale, it's not up to the storefront to go ahead and do it anywayWhen The Witcher 3 came to EGS it had a launch discount and people could use the coupon to bring it down to like $5 and CDPR lowered the games price by 1 cent so people wouldn't be able to do that. The game is 5 years old. They're definitely gonna want to avoid letting people use coupons on Cyberpunk.
People jack off CDPR as oh so pro consumer and loving of their player base but that price change on TW3 was scummy as shit.
This was a few months ago. They put The Witcher up on the store half way through the sale in question. The Cyberpunk fiasco where they werent told and pulled it from the store was over a year prior.If I recall, publishers/devs were not made aware of how the sale discount was being implemented during that first sale before hand. CDPR may be shitty, but if they don't want to have their game included in a sale or in a special section of sale, it's not up to the storefront to go ahead and do it anyway
"We" aren't considering anything. I speak for myself, not anyone else.So we're considering EGS "just another storefront" now?
Thanks for taking the time to reply to my comment. I do see your point, and I do agree that antagonizing anyone using or liking EGS is absolutely not done."We" aren't considering anything. I speak for myself, not anyone else.
But Geoforce, please do re-read what I wrote.
I've been very vocal since the start about what I think of the EGS, and I continue to refuse to use it, no matter what.
I actually had an Epic Account (from the alpha of their last Unreal Tournament game that never was), and requested it closed and deleted when this all happened, I refunded my contributions to the crowdfunding campaigns of Phoenix Point, and Shenmue III (and I'm a huge fan of the series), and cancelled and refunded my pre-order of Rune 2, so no, for me nothing changed about what I think of the store. You're not the only one who boycotts it, and dislikes it.
But, I do think it's incredibly stupid that when someone comes along, and posts "hey, x game is currently free on the EGS", or "they have a 10€/$ coupon, that makes x game cost next to nothing", there's frequently replies antagonizing the store, and worse of all, the people who posted that piece of information, and I think that needs to change.
So yeah, my post was to ask people not to be a dick to other users who do are interested in the store, and are entitled to discuss it, or their deals/free games, without someone being obnoxious about it. If you aren't interested in something, just ignore it, let others enjoy what they want, no one of forcing people to use the store against their will.
Basically, your post just solidifies my opinion that there's need to be two posts about the EGS: a community post for people to discuss it without any "drama", and this one for people to vent about their policies and exclusives.
You know, I was not even subscribed to this thread any more, because the discussion always end up like this: with people antagonizing others. Plus, I don't even use the store, so I don't like to waste time discussing something I dislike, there are far more interesting things to do.
Excluding games or publishers from coupons is a slippery slope, however. If they let CDPR exclude their games, everyone's going to be asking for an exclusion, and the coupons become worthless.If Epic does coupons again, I completely expect Cyberpunk to be excluded. CDPR would probably not be happy about their GOG version being undercut (especially after they did a price adjustment to exclude The Witcher 3 from being eligible for a coupon).
That's the thing: the consequences are a thing that bothers you and me (and others), but doesn't bother some people. And we should respect it. It's their option.But I'm not sure we need a separate thread where we pretend that EGS is "just another storefront" and where we aren't allow to talk about the short-term and long-term consequences of Epic's actions. While I can imagine that it's annoying for some people to read complaints about Epic's money hatting, the money hatting IS still an issue; it IS still happening and it seems Epic has no intentions to change their strategy in the near future.
What is then?Making two separate echo chambers who circlejerk each other in their own thread is not the answer.
That's the thing: the consequences are a thing that bothers you and me (and others), but doesn't bother some people. And we should respect it. It's their option.
Why do they need to be "taught" or reminded of that every single time? Aren't people entitled to have their fun, without someone coming out every single time and talk down to them about claiming a free game, or being excited about buying a game for next to nothing (again, especially in a year where a lot of people lost their incomes, or part of it, due to the current pandemic)?
I frankly think it's a bit patronizing of you to say something like "it's annoying to some people, but it's still an issue, so I'll keep doing it".
Is anyone in here unaware of their exclusivity deals by now? I don't think so. Why do we need to make people feel bad about using the store? Who are people to tell others what to do with their money?
So yeah, I do think people should be allowed to discuss the store, without having others antagonize them, or their choices.
Heck, I'm as anti-EGS as it gets, and every time I ask for some tolerance, or respect, with people who think positively about the store, I get antagonizing posts as well (this really isn't the first time I said something similar, and the reactions are always the same).
What is then?
Like I mentioned, I just made a suggestion, because I don't think it's right to have other users feeling like they are unwelcome, or that they can't discuss something (in this case the EGS), because people will antagonize them.
Agreed. But it DOES bother other people, so their opinion should be respected as well. This is a forum, it's designed to discuss things. There wouldn't be any discussions if we made separate threads for pro and con about every subject.That's the thing: the consequences are a thing that bothers you and me (and others), but doesn't bother some people. And we should respect it. It's their option.
whoa, whoa, whoa ... there's no need for such insults!!!We're all gamers after all.
I could have replaced "gamers" with "anime fans"whoa, whoa, whoa ... there's no need for such insults!!!
my condolencesI'm British.
Personally, I don't mind buying a former EGS exclusive, or the developer's next release, as shit's tough for many developers and Epic's deal can be too good to refuse.
It's fucked up that you can make more money not selling your game to people than you can actually selling it, but that's just capitalism for you. I worked for a big retail company before my current job and I know for a fact that, at least when I was there, the company would literally pay producers to destroy their food rather than let a rival store have it. It was honestly better for the producers, and cheaper for the company, to buy exclusivity on the food and then waste it rather than try to sell it in stores. And while that is tangible goods and I personally find food waste morally reprehensible (and why my position at the company became increasingly more untenable), I feel like it's still fucked up that a developer can make more profits from not selling games than they can by selling them. But that's what happens when a very rich company starts throwing its influence around - markets and market value gets distorted.
But regardless, as I have said many-a-time: for every Epic exclusive, there are plenty of great games available on other stores. If you want to promote more competition on the PC platform, buy a game on GOG - they have a really excellent selection these days.
I've played more than 60 hours of DD1 and never gotten near the end, the idea of the game has always been more interesting than the reality.I still need to beat the first Darkest Dungeon. I never got past the 2nd floor. Instant stress and high damage for everyone. The final stretch of the game is designed to be unfair. And that's not fun.
Yeah same. Ive played it a lot but not really got very far through it.I've played more than 60 hours of DD1 and never gotten near the end, the idea of the game has always been more interesting than the reality.
This. People should be able to make their own choices rather than being pushed to acceptance.The thread will either die or be accepted.
the forum is not unmoderated, you're a mod just like I am, we just never had much reason to start banning people like bigger forums do.unmoderated forum
Oh No, no, no.the forum is not unmoderated, you're a mod just like I am, we just never had much reason to start banning people like bigger forums do.
Agree. I see your point here.But on the main PC gaming thread my EGS posts then get drowned every time by either commentary on EGS itself or others saying that such talk should be relegated away from that same main thread to here - which I don't agree with as the main thread talks extensively about other non Steam PC platforms regularly.
Exactly, and I have zero issue about that at all. But to singularly bring up and apply "the rules" only over EGS is dishonest practice.Agree. I see your point here.
The thread you are taking about doesn't even talk about gaming for 25% of the time.
Would it be fine to create a "positivity only OT" for a game that 90% of us do not enjoy and where discussing the enjoyment some people have for it becomes difficult? Because every bit of positivity gets constantly challenged?
I think it would.
On the other side, I'm having doubts about the need for a "safe spaces" to exist. Isn't a forum meant to encourage a discussion, which is the process of exchanging ideas, especially when they are controversial? Isn't everything else, in the end, a social bubble with constant circle jerking (aka Reddit)?
But maybe that's how some people view this thread because the negative voices have turned into a deafening crescendo?
Hard to tell for me, because I'm clearly standing on one side. But in the end, there is a quite simple argument to be made here:
This is a free, unmoderated forum: If somebody feels the need or desire to create a "positivity only EGS thread", please go for it.
The thread will either die or be accepted.
My idea wasn't for a positive only thread, just to simply close this one and start a fresh one. We can always move this to the archive and consider it OT1, since it was only created for the announcement, not as an EGS OTI don't see the point of another EGS thread, people can both whine/make fun of EGS and Epic here and post stuff regarding the store and games here.
But this is a very liberal forum in many ways so Im not gonna stop anyone in creating a new EGS thread.
Everyone should put their ideas out for the forum so we can discuss what we can do better.All good by me, was just floating it out there. council motion voted down