This is gonna turn in to a good slapfight. Bring it on but remember... No scratching or hairpulling.
Did you read that? No? Seems so. Decency, boy. Btw are you stuck being 16 years old?LMAO
Bruh learn to fucking google. Plenty of fucking recepts out there. He was a gamergater. That's not up for debate.
Read it plenty as did read many other of his posts defending Gamergate and pretending it isn't a harassment campaing. The dipshit even says at the end "actually, it's the anti-gamergaters that are driving away women from the gaming industry", but it seems you missed that somehow.Did you read that? No? Seems so. Decency, boy. Btw are you stuck being 16 years old?
Actually, nah. If the dude reads the thing above and actually tries to claim TB wasn't progamergate, then he is a piece of shit and I will call him exactly that. I ain't going to be civil with pieces of shit.Guys let's be civil. We're better than other certain sites here.
Alt-Right I doubt. I think he just saw merits in their claims and thought he needed to be a voice for them that didn't revolve around twittereggs yelling at journos.This is a much better title for the thread.
John Bain did support Gamergate and never backed down from that support. It is up to the individual to decide if he did so because he was part of the alt-right or because he didn't know when to quit. It's not possible to reach a consensus because there is a lot of subjectivity involved but hopefully we can at least understand each other's point of view even if we disagree completely with it.
love you too, bernardo!Actually, nah. If the dude reads the thing above and actually tries to claim TB wasn't progamergate, then he is a piece of shit and I will call him exactly that. I ain't going to be civil with pieces of shit.
Interesting how you managed to completely avoid actually addressing any of the things pointed out and how he is explicitly supporting gamergate in that post.love you too, bernardo!
I'm not sure the first part is totally true anymore. No matter what view you hold, you're likely going to find enough people who agree with you to solidify your stance, and that includes not agreeing with the deplatforming. "Acceptable discourse" has kind of become an outdated concept after the internet made it clear that every single opinion no matter how repugnant is represented.Deplatforming works when you explain why you're doing it. Universities started banning Milo by explicitly stating that why they find his shenanigans unacceptable.
Telling people to fuck off and leaving them to their own devices to interpret why they were banned usually doesnt work, because someone (usually who agrees with what they said) will provide a more or less reasonable explanation (to them) and that's when radicalization occurs.
What I mean is that ideologies are never truly defeated. 'Ideas are bulletproof' and all that.I'm not sure the first part is totally true anymore. No matter what view you hold, you're likely going to find enough people who agree with you to solidify your stance, and that includes not agreeing with the deplatforming. "Acceptable discourse" has kind of become an outdated concept after the internet made it clear that every single opinion no matter how repugnant is represented.
This post hasn't been sitting well with me and since it seems nobody will speak up, I willRead it plenty as did read many other of his posts defending Gamergate and pretending it isn't a harassment campaing. The dipshit even says at the end "actually, it's the anti-gamergaters that are driving away women from the gaming industry", but it seems you missed that somehow.
It's interesting you're trying to call anyone else 16 years old though.
Actually, nah. If the dude reads the thing above and actually tries to claim TB wasn't progamergate, then he is a piece of shit and I will call him exactly that. I ain't going to be civil with pieces of shit.
Life is fleeting and fragile enough as is, and before we know it, it's gone already. Don't allow some random ignoramuses on the internet to get you to feel this badly. In fact don't let them make you even feel bad period. Fuck 'em.I remember some users concerned but when they heard about my last post they were all like "meh, fuck him." that fucking hurt me more than anyone can ever know and the sad fact is, if I did kill myself, they wouldn't have cared. hell, In fact, i was seriously thinking about doing so soon after
Pro-gg translates directly to "piece of shit", sorry.This post hasn't been sitting well with me and since it seems nobody will speak up, I will
You could make the same points while retaining a modicum of civility. Calling TB a dipshit and a piece of shit does not belong in the kind of place I think MetaCouncil is supposed to be. This kind of vitriolic behavior is exactly what's wrong with the current state of the discussion.
You didn't need those insults to make the point that he was pro-gg, a racist and a misogynist from your perspective. Those qualifiers are scathing enough to anyone civilized enough to understand their meaning.
Oh if you are really interested in that I would gladly do it but I don't think it will do any good. I don't think you will ever change your mind about any of this because you are sure you are the good one here and everyone else is a horrible, racist, sexist, transphobe piece of shit who is per default wrong. more than a lmao will not come out of it.Interesting how you managed to completely avoid actually addressing any of the things pointed out and how he is explicitly supporting gamergate in that post.
Not that I'm surprised, anyways.
Are you somehow phisically incapable of reading or something? Cause he ain't sayi g " game journalism is shit " in that post. He says in that post that victims of Gamergate are just liars trying to get the media on their side, that "GG is actually about ethics" and that "actually it's the Anti-Gamergaters that are making women go away from the industry". I worry for your mental capabilities of you can't figure out how that is supposed to not be pro-GGOh if you are really interested in that I would gladly do it but I don't think it will do any good. I don't think you will ever change your mind about any of this because you are sure you are the good one here and everyone else is a horrible, racist, sexist, transphobe piece of shit who is per default wrong. more than a lmao will not come out of it.
You are still wrong. If GG is the alt-right, transphobe, sexist movement that I think it is, than TB was not a part of it. Is games-journalism still shit? Yes it is. It was before GG and it still is shit. So, if calling games journalism shit, i guess Sterling is also a GG?
thank you for your worriesAre you somehow phisically incapable of reading or something? Cause he ain't sayi g " game journalism is shit " in that post. He says in that post that victims of Gamergate are just liars trying to get the media on their side, that "GG is actually about ethics" and that "actually it's the Anti-Gamergaters that are making women go away from the industry". I worry for your mental capabilities of you can't figure out how that is supposed to not be pro-GG
You're terrible at reading, because I pointed out many of the terrible things in that post that has jackshit to do with "gaming journalism is terrible". I think gaming journalism is terrible too and somehow miraculously I never aligned myself with gamergate. Awfully convenient that you somehow missed all the points I explained above though.thank you for your worries
and yeah, maybe I'm bad at reading but he is saying that games journalism is shit in that post. and no, i don't think it is pro-GG. I think it is pro-"what_naive_people_thought_gamergate_was_or_should_be_but_didn't_consider_that_the_internet_is_a_cesspool". Now, you will say that, there was no misunderstanding what GG was about and if TB wrote what he wrote he got what he deserved. And we begin anew.
just to be sure:
you think TB supported a sexist, misogynistic, transphobe and far-right group? He supported that group because he himself was a far-right misogynist?
You are as much of a visitor as anyone else. No user owns the place, even though it may look like so because of what happened in your anecdote.I always feel like I'm an outsider at that place. I mean I can post there but it feels like I'm just a visitor and that I don't really belong. I have a constant battle with depression and things would trigger it easy at some points. In example, [...] that incident will forever remind me that I'm just a visitor and nothing more. No, I'm just trash to them.
I guess Shaun illustrates my point better. He confronts (and destroys) his opponents very graciously.
Well he isnt really debating them
That's a really interesting post that touches on the heart of the matter. More often than not you know what's right, but how do you find out if you are wrong? And does that scale up to the internet? How do you enact objectivity in moderation and access on matters that are intensely emotional and, sometimes, subjective? As you say, it's a topic old as time and one much better people have dedicated themselves to. I'd love to know what conclusions they came to.I think that as American society continues to collapse, the internet (which is... uh... super American in tone) by proxy has become this warground. What has happened is that people have become convinced that THIS IS WAR, and they're basically resorting to the "clear and present danger" doctrine. Which in a nutshell argued that deplatforming (and imprisoning) people opposed to military conscription was acceptable even though it clearly violated the spirit and intent of American law.
"When a nation is at war, many things that might be said in time of peace are such a hindrance to its effort that their utterance will not be endured so long as men fight ."
I think the starkest problem is a crippling lack of self awareness. Deplatforming people I agree with = bad. Deplatforming people I don't agree with = good.
Violent action in service of causes I agree with = Freedom Fighting. Violent action in service of causes I disagree with = Terrorism. This is not a new problem.
And people feel justified in the ferocity of their attempts because this is war. But think about it. This is no different to all those people in America who sought to root out the communists working in the film industry to get them fired. They were at war with communism. Communism was evil. Ergo, anyone with communist beliefs had to be deplatformed otherwise they would use their position to spread their evil communist beliefs.
As far as Chinese citizens are concerned, they successfully deplatformed Red Candle Games and their horrifically offensive videogame Devotion. They will continue to strive to deplatform every single videogame and videogame company that is critical of China. Ubisoft shivers People who don't agree with China don't view that as valid deplatforming. Because Taiwan = good. China = bad. But here's a hint, bucko. The Chinese outnumber you by a hilarious margin, and deplatforming is all about having the loudest and most morally outraged outrage campaign.
Back when George Orwell attempted to publish Animal Farm, there was a widespread campaign in the literary world to prevent the book's publication because it was disrespectful to the heroes of the Red Army and Stalin ands tuff. Every publisher Orwell approached turned it down due to these behind the scenes actions. The man who finally chose to publish it was pressured by his friends and his own wife who told him that the book shouldn't be published. The entire British literary world was super pro-Stalin back in the day. Orwell was the odd one out with his, "Stalin is not a bro" attitude. (TS Eliot wrote him a letter explaining that he wouldn't publish the book due to its Trotskyite politics.)
And that was just behind the scenes stuff in a pre internet era. Can you imagine trying to publish a book like Animal Farm today in a political atmosphere where people would dog-pile any publisher on twitter who even DARED consider publishing it?
As China grows as a superpower, you're gonna have to deal with Chinese people disagreeing with that guy you appointed as CEO. That developer who was critical of China on Twitter. That movie company that dares make a movie China doesn't like. So far the language barrier has curbed a lot of that stuff. But it's only a matter of time.
The English speaking internet has been super lucky if disfunctional. Since the internet was invented, we haven't had another world war. What the hell are we going to do if another war breaks out? People on twitter will be screaming at each other about how their side of the conflict is the right one. Suppose a youtuber MrBigCuddles says, "Oh, yea, Coalition A is clearly wrong and Coalition B was right to preemptively bomb them!" Then Coalition A's members scream that MyBigCuddles needs to be deplatformed because the blood of dead children is on his hands.
The internet has a hard enough time handling Israel stuff. It can't even handle CONSOLE WARS. Imagine what happens when 20% of your forum (Coalition C) is literally at war with the other 80% (Coalition D). And the 80% is screaming and calling the 20% murderers and warmongers and shit. How do you handle that? There's no plan.
I have no doubt that Russian language forums have to deal with this stuff due to a lot of people seeing Putin as a murderer and a dictator. (Which he is, BTW, and this a relatively uncontroversial position because this is the English speaking internet and we have very few Russian nationalists here.)
I think that eventually we may see the internet fragment along political and geographical lines. I'm not sure the melting pot internet actually has a long term future because tensions are clearly reaching a boiling point. The current deplatforming fixation is kind of a death rattle of a disintegrating society and internet, It's a war effort, isn't it? I think. Maybe I'm too pessimistic, but the tone of the internet is getting angrier and angrier. Social media is feeding the anger. Social media drives these campaigns in a way that traditional forums never could.
A quick rule of thumb to test cognitive bias is to invert the statement and see if you still agree with it, and if not then consider why not.More often than not you know what's right, but how do you find out if you are wrong?
That's a really hard question to answer. Some people are a lost cause so nothing can be done, for others education seems like the most effective option.How do you make someone who will never see eye to eye with you stop causing harm to the things you care about? Does anyone have any serious thought about this?
He also said this:
I'm not sure what that has to do with my posts. I wasn't the one bringing up TB in this thread, SRossi was, with a insanely false statement I've proven false with pretty clear evidence. Are we not supposed to call out insane lies and false statements out when we see them being peddled in the forum?He also said this:
Btw you didn't answer my question.I'm not sure what that has to do with my posts. I wasn't the one bringing up TB in this thread, SRossi was, with a insanely false statement I've proven false with pretty clear evidence. Are we not supposed to call out insane lies and false statements out when we see them being peddled in the forum?
Take it up to the person that brought him up, not me for pointing out a Gamergate was in fact a Gamergater.