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[fantomena]

Sonys PS Plus controvery right now makes them looks like a trash company.

So happy my PS5 is only for exclusives. Fucking bullshit.

Sony confirms Subscription Stacking is Blocked As Pre-Paid PS+ Cards Stop Working (Redeemable later this year with conversion rates to new sub) News - Sony

https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2022/04/sony-blocks-subscription-stacking-as-pre-paid-ps-plus-cards-stop-working-on-ps5-ps4 This was buried in the PS+ issues thread and I thought it was threadworthy. You can read about how the PS+/PS Now trick in the PS+ stacking thread.

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The console companies, especially Sony and Ninity, reeks of greed.

 

[C-Dub]

Sony sucks, Nintendo sucks. Really soured on both companies recently.

 

[Cacher]

Yep, business-wise both companies are bad. Now I just want to pay for their games, not services.

Splatoon 3 will probably make me sub NSO again though. Can't avoid it.

 

[Li Kao]

Mmh...
May Xenoblade 1 + Epilogues / Soul Hackers 1
June Xenoblade X
July Xenoblade 2 + DLC
August Soul Hackers 2

Totally doable, makes sense, perfect plan
What could go wrong ?

 

[NarohDethan]

Legit forgot that Switch Sports game came out lol

 

[d00d3n]

Mmh...
May Xenoblade 1 + Epilogues / Soul Hackers 1
June Xenoblade X
July Xenoblade 2 + DLC
August Soul Hackers 2

Totally doable, makes sense, perfect plan
What could go wrong ?

Lol, that seems optimistic, both regarding the time management aspect and the franchise fatigue aspect. Focus on the best one of those, which is Xenoblade 1, and mix in some top games from other genres IMO.

 

[Arc]

I finished Triangle Strategy. I enjoyed it quite a lot, even though I think I got the worst ending possible. It plays more like 13 Sentinels than Final Fantasy Tactics as there is much more emphasis on story than combat. The tactical gameplay, while challenging and satisfying, isn't as in depth as FFT. It's currently my runner up to GOTY behind Elden Ring.

I think I'm going to replay Xenoblade 2 next and then the Torna DLC (which I never played before) to get ready for Xenoblade 3.

 

[Li Kao]

Lol, that seems optimistic, both regarding the time management aspect and the franchise fatigue aspect. Focus on the best one of those, which is Xenoblade 1, and mix in some top games from other genres IMO.

Yup, the elephants in the room are the franchise and genre fatigue

Not mentioning I can’t for the life of me choose how I will play. On Switch for that sweet portability ? On PC for the 1440p ? It’s like asking me to choose between my children apparently

 

[d00d3n]

Yup, the elephants in the room are the franchise and genre fatigue

Not mentioning I can’t for the life of me choose how I will play. On Switch for that sweet portability ? On PC for the 1440p ? It’s like asking me to choose between my children apparently

I think the interface and quality of life upgrades on Switch are pretty great compared with Wii or Wii PC emulation solutions. Switch PC emulation may be good though, but I have not tried that

 

[Kvik]

What the hell is genre fatigue?

I've been playing all the mainline Final Fantasy titles back-to-back since February.

There's no such thing as “tired of eating rice” when rice is a staple in your diet.

 

[Li Kao]

I started my second attempt at Xenoblade, after losing my save to some windows update years ago. It’s incredible how, despite their already bad rep, the sub quests are really trash fire.
Is it the same in the rest of the series ?

Other than that, and despite the sub quest best efforts to nuke the pacing and tension of the plot, I’m pretty interested.

 

[Big McLargehuge]

I started my second attempt at Xenoblade, after losing my save to some windows update years ago. It’s incredible how, despite their already bad rep, the sub quests are really trash fire.
Is it the same in the rest of the series ?

Other than that, and despite the sub quest best efforts to nuke the pacing and tension of the plot, I’m pretty interested.

What I do when I replay Xenoblade 1 is to accept as many sidequests as I can in the local town/village before I explore the area. That way I complete quests while defeating enemies and gathering items in each of the big areas. Of course, you don't have to do all of them since you'll end up overlevelled for the story bosses if you do so (if you don't have Expert Mode from DE enabled, of course).

 

[Cacher]

 

[NarohDethan]

Been hunting for a copy of 13 Sentinels for Switch with no luck. I don't want to import one either so digital will be the way I'm afraid.

 

[fantomena]

So without game pass, releasing a game on Xbox isn't the best.

 

[NarohDethan]

So without game pass, releasing a game on Xbox isn't the best.

Ehh Furi was released on Xbox way before Gamepass was a thing, and it got released after the PS4 version.

 

[fantomena]

Ehh Furi was released on Xbox way before Gamepass was a thing, and it got released after the PS4 version.

It's not about that, apparently games releasing on game pass both before and after game pass became a thing are not selling well on Xbox.

 

[AHA-Lambda]

It's not about that, apparently games releasing on game pass both before and after game pass became a thing are not selling well on Xbox.

That surely contradicts Phil's own claims that game pass has been leading to increased sales for titles on the service though.
Besides moot point as Furi was launched pre game pass, and to my knowledge has never been on game pass either?

The lack of success for Furi is much more likely due to it being late compared to the other versions.
By comparison I remember reading that Death's Gambit was a sales hit before it was announced to be coming to game pass.

EDIT: in fact didn't xbox just have their best ever non holiday quarter?

 

[gabbo]

So without game pass, releasing a game on Xbox isn't the best.

Does this mean physical/digital releases on xbox but not also on game pass?
I had kind of assumed that Game Pass had kind of subsumed the XBL marketplace altogether and become the only digital portal for the X/S

 

[fantomena]

That surely contradicts Phil's own claims that game pass has been leading to increased sales for titles on the service though.
Besides moot point as Furi was launched pre game pass, and to my knowledge has never been on game pass either?

The lack of success for Furi is much more likely due to it being late compared to the other versions.
By comparison I remember reading that Death's Gambit was a sales hit before it was announced to be coming to game pass.

Did he say if the games increased with sales on other platforms due to game pass or on Xbox?

I've read many indie devs stating releasing games on game pass increased sales on Steam, like No More Robot's CEO stated their games sold more on Steam after putting it on game pass, like the game Descenders.

 

[AHA-Lambda]

Ehh Furi was released on Xbox way before Gamepass was a thing, and it got released after the PS4 version.

and it was given away on PS+ too at launch

Did he say if the games increased with sales on other platforms due to game pass or on Xbox?

I've read many indie devs stating releasing games on game pass increased sales on Steam, like No More Robot's CEO stated their games sold more on Steam after putting it on game pass, like the game Descenders.

no of course Phil wouldn't mention that, and it's frankly not the point of the topic, which is looking only at sales on xbox, but your statement was

games releasing on game pass both before and after game pass became a thing are not selling well on Xbox.

which is just a nonsense

as is Imran's statement that games not on game pass are not selling well either!

 

[fantomena]

which is just a nonsense

My mistake, wrote wrong, was suppose to say "games releasing on Xbox, but not via game pass, both before and after game pass became a thing are not selling well on Xbox. "

 

[AHA-Lambda]

My mistake, wrote wrong, was suppose to say "games releasing on Xbox both before and after game pass became a thing are not selling well on Xbox. "

so games overall are just not selling on xbox? yeah that's still madness, and going to need some receipts on that frankly

so we know that game pass is a success
we know that it's leading to increased sales on xbox
we know that xbox just had their best non q4 ever which was driven overwhelmingly by revenue from "content and services" which is not just game pass and we know that they've outsold ps5 past 2 quarters as well in many territories

but nah clearly no one is buying anything

 

[fantomena]

so games overall are just not selling on xbox? yeah that's still madness

Nope, not madness. Lots of games are skipping Xbox, especially from Japan. For Xbox, to get Japanese games, you need a game pass deal, otherwise Japan don't care.

Xbox outsold the PS5 due to lack of stock for the PS5.

 

[Alextended]

I thought I'd play Republic Commando a bit. It's really not that great with how one note it is with its very arcadey take on a tactical FPS and scripted progression triggers with constant respawns until then but I'd love a modernized, less linear sequel. But, it was funny to see last year's Switch and PS4 rerelease didn't even add proper widescreen, the HUD is stretched like on PC with the fan widescreen patch (there are mods that fix some - but not quite all - of the stretching mind). It has glimpses of greatness in the ideas and more than that the presentation for sure, for its time, but yeah, the gameplay, gunplay, squad controls, are just OK. Maybe if they could have had AI, gunplay and levels a bit more like HALO (which I wasn't a huge fan of, but still) and/or coop it would have been a real classic.

 

[AHA-Lambda]

Nope, not madness. Lots of games are skipping Xbox, especially from Japan.

Xbox outsold the PS5 due to lack of stock for the PS5.

Japan has forever and a day skipped xbox, that's not new so it means nothing frankly.
Xbox division is clearly growing in sales and marketshare without Japan.
Your point was that xbox games overall aren't selling, Japan alone proves nothing in the face of increased revenue.
How can they not be selling games if they're making more money?

As for the ps5, well again so what?
it still doesn't mean xbox isn't selling games, and that's on Sony not MS. MS have deftly managed the supply chain crisis, and that's down to their own actions, by having a lighter calibre system and paying for priority in chip production. Yet all I see people all over constantly acting like "ah that doesn't count"

 

[fantomena]

Japan has forever and a day skipped xbox, that's not new so it means nothing frankly

as for the ps5, well again so what? it doesn't mean xbox isn't selling games

You wrote that Xbox outsold PS5 as an argument for that Xbox is doing well, but it is not, people can't get their hands on a PS5, so they buy an Xbox instead.

Xbox is barely existing in lots of countries, it's the whole reason why MS is releasing on PC/Steam, to reach all the countries in the world where they don't care about Xbox.

And for all we know, the revenue increase for Xbox can also be thanks to PC revenue.

 

[AHA-Lambda]

You wrote that Xbox outsold PS5 as an argument for that Xbox is doing well, but it is not, people can't get their hands on a PS5, so they buy an Xbox instead.

Xbox is barely existing in lots of countries, it's the whole reason why MS is releasing on PC/Steam, to reach all the countries in the world where they don't care about Xbox.

And for all we know, the revenue increase for Xbox can also be thanks to PC revenue.

yeah all of that I've just bolded, you have no proof for.

All of that is speculation on your part.

You don't know that people are buying an xbox just cos PS5 isn't in stock, they may well in fact want an xbox funnily enough.
And you don't know what builds up their gaming revenue either, it could be cos of pc but that alone is why revenue is up? PC gaming alone is why xbox just had its best non q4 quarter?
to pretend like xbox series s/x isn't a hit and that xbox is in the duldrums like you're implying is head in the sand nonsense

 

[fantomena]

yeah all of that I've just bolded, you have no proof for.

All of that is speculation on your part.

You don't know that people are buying an xbox just cos PS5 isn't in stock, they may well in fact want an xbox.
And you don't know what builds up their gaming revenue either, no doubt it's been a hit but to pretend like xbox series s/x isn't a hit is head in the sand nonsese

So you are saying if both Xbox and PS5 was easily available on a worldwide scale, Xbox would win in sales?

I dont have proof of the PC revenue, true, but Xbox games have sold in millions on Steam, so I will go on a limb and say it's true.

 

[AHA-Lambda]

So you are saying if both Xbox and PS5 was easily available on a worldwide scale, Xbox would win in sales?

I dont have proof of the PC revenue, true, but Xbox games have sold in millions on Steam, so I will go on a limb and say it's true.

on the bold, I didn't say that, I never even implied it in fact, just that you don't know why someone is buying a console.
But what you had said was that xbox games aren't selling, and that's what I'm arguing back on, cos it's a stupid argument.

There's simply no denying that xbox series s/x is a hit, that game pass is a hit, and that games on xbox are still selling outside game pass too.

And, I'll also go out on a limb like yourself then and say that I think you're wrong that PC alone and nothing else is what has driven the xbox division to its best non q4 quarter.

 

[fantomena]

, and that games on xbox are still selling outside game pass too.

So Imran is lying?

 

[AHA-Lambda]

So Imran is lysing?

I think he's wrong, not necessarily lying

Death's Door racked up over 100,000 players in its first week

Soul-reaping action-adventure title Death's Door reached over 100,000 players just in its first week. Have you been playing?

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Phil Spencer: Game Pass leads to more game sales

This past weekend's X018 event was, arguably, a two-hour long advertisement for Game Pass, and given what Microsoft gam…

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Elden Ring is the 2nd most played game on Xbox (U.S.) right now by hours played

Elden Ring's ranking has been rising these past couple of days. All of the games above Elden Ring are f2p except for GTA V. Rainbow Six Siege underneath is on Game Pass.

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but nah no one buys games apparently

 

[fantomena]

I think he's wrong, not necessarily lying

But a lot of what you wrote is also assumptions, like what I wrote. All we know is that Xbox is currently selling well, which might have something to do that people can't find PS5s. And that game pass has 25 mill subs or what it was. And they saw a small increase in revenue. That's all.

 

[AHA-Lambda]

But a lot of what you wrote is also assumptions, like what I wrote. All we know is that Xbox is currently selling well, which might have something to do that people can't find PS5s. And that game pass has 25 mill subs or what it was. And they saw a small increase in revenue. That's all.

no that's not all.
You said no one is buying xbox games. that's nonsense

 

[fantomena]

no that's not all, you said no one buying xbox games. that's nonsense

I didn't say noone buys Xbox games, I literally wrote "sales isn't the best" and "are not selling well on Xbox. ", nowhere did I write that noone buys Xbox games.

Elden Ring is the 2nd most played game on Xbox (U.S.) right now by hours played

Elden Ring's ranking has been rising these past couple of days. All of the games above Elden Ring are f2p except for GTA V. Rainbow Six Siege underneath is on Game Pass.

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Using console best seller or most played chart gives us very little. Just like EGS charts.

 

[AHA-Lambda]

I didn't say noone buys Xbox games, I literally wrote "sales isn't the best" and "are not selling well on Xbox. ", nowhere did I write that noone buys Xbox games.


Using console best seller or most played chart gives us very little. Just like EGS charts.

No this is what you said

My mistake, wrote wrong, was suppose to say "games releasing on Xbox, but not via game pass, both before and after game pass became a thing are not selling well on Xbox. "

not, "not the best", you said "not selling well" big difference

EDIT: wait, you're comparing xbox charts to EGS? Do you really think they're that untrustworthy? At that point what do you trust then?

 

[fantomena]

No this is what you said



not, "not the best", you said "not selling well" big difference

And "not selling well" is a very big leap from "noone buys". Even Stadia games are getting bought.

 

[AHA-Lambda]

And "not selling well" is a very big leap from "noone buys". Even Stadia games are getting bought.

no.

"Not selling well" is a statement that has very little qualification to it, it could mean basically anything that you're now twisting.

You're moving the goalposts alot now and I'm frankly fucking done, it's always an enormous effort to debate anything with you.

I'm fucking done.

 

[fantomena]

no.

"Not selling well" is a statement that has very little qualification to it, it could mean basically anything.

You're moving the goalposts alot now and I'm frankly fucking done, it's always an enormous effort to debate anything with you.

I'm fucking done.

There is no need to write swear words and getting pissed off, especially that quickly. Kinda feels like you simply don't like when I write that Xbox games without game pass is not selling well according to Imran.

 

[NarohDethan]

Fun fact: The Xbox Series has already outsold the Xbox One in Japan.

I seriously doubt the claim that Xbox doesn't sell games if they aren't on Gamepass.

 

[fantomena]

Fun fact: The Xbox Series has already outsold the Xbox One in Japan.

So they sold more than 300 there? Nice.

 

[DrShrapnel]

Anyone have experience with Diablo 2 Resurrected on Switch? I'm mainly wondering about performance.

 

[NarohDethan]

So they sold more than 300 there? Nice.

When they stopped tracking, on the week of December 14 2020, XBone had sold 114,802 consoles to that date. Xbox Series sits at 182,534 as per last week,

Source: Media Create Sales: Week 51, 2020 (Dec 14 - Dec 20) Sales | ResetEra
Media Create Sales: Week 16, 2022 (Apr 18 - Apr 24) | Install Base (installbaseforum.com)

 

[fantomena]

When they stopped tracking, on the week of December 14 2020, XBone had sold 114,802 consoles to that date. Xbox Series sits at 182,534 as per last week,

Source: Media Create Sales: Week 51, 2020 (Dec 14 - Dec 20) Sales | ResetEra
Media Create Sales: Week 16, 2022 (Apr 18 - Apr 24) | Install Base (installbaseforum.com)

Well that is really good, good for MS on that. Thx for the numbers too!

 

[NarohDethan]

Anyone have experience with Diablo 2 Resurrected on Switch? I'm mainly wondering about performance.

 

[DrShrapnel]

Perfect, thank you!

 

[NarohDethan]

Perfect, thank you!

No worries! I was actually thinking about buying it myself

 

[moemoneyb1]

Funny enough even though I have good PC I was thinking of getting a PS5 since there are couple of games on there that I really want to play but it seems that no matter where I look there is no stock available. This is coming from someone who lives in Southern California. From what I have seen is that the Xbox Series X|S are more widely available overall. If I want to get a PS5 I still have to watch stock trackers closely.

 

[C-Dub]

Funny enough even though I have good PC I was thinking of getting a PS5 since there are couple of games on there that I really want to play but it seems that no matter where I look there is no stock available. This is coming from someone who lives in Southern California. From what I have seen is that the Xbox Series X|S are more widely available overall. If I want to get a PS5 I still have to watch stock trackers closely.

I had to sit waiting at a stock tracker like an insane person to get my PS5.

I have a Series S, but if I wanted to upgrade it to a Series X (don't see the point since it's only a BC machine at this point) I'd probably be able to grab one pretty quickly.

Sony are really struggling with their supplies.

 

[C-Dub]

Looks like we're getting an FFXVI update soon.

I'm probably not going to wait for the PC release of this one so I'm pretty excited to see how this is shaping up on PS5.