If this means Epic moneyhatted Desperado's 3, I'm gonna cryIt's Shadow Tactics
Ah me too. I loved Shadow Tactics.If this means Epic moneyhatted Desperado's 3, I'm gonna cry
Wouldnt that be THQ Nordic?If this means Epic moneyhatted Desperado's 3, I'm gonna cry
You missed out.I don't!
...Still not going to bother with epic though.
I don't care what other people do, tbh, but just the thought of downloading the EGS Launcher makes me feel gross. Tim Sweeny is such an insufferable prick that I really don't want anything to do with his service. I'm sure most other CEO's aren't much better, but at least they don't go out of their way to be as annoying as this dude is.You missed out.
I skipped on enter gungeon because I forgot and then I just decided to keep taking epics games after I caught myself almost buying it in steam.
Just take the games, it makes no difference. Plus I'm officially over the fucking valve vs steam thing now that it's officially a moral stance kind of thing. Steam isn't going to die by way of Tim and gamepass is way better at devaluing games. Anyone who gives another member side eye for using the store and heaven forbid buying something while pirating, lol.
BTW, this will get zero likes bc negativity in this thread gets likes.
See that's what I don't understand, criticism it's not equal to negativity and the store has a LOT of flaws (setting aside Sweeney personality)You missed out.
I skipped on enter gungeon because I forgot and then I just decided to keep taking epics games after I caught myself almost buying it in steam.
Just take the games, it makes no difference. Plus I'm officially over the fucking valve vs steam thing now that it's officially a moral stance kind of thing. Steam isn't going to die by way of Tim and gamepass is way better at devaluing games. Anyone who gives another member side eye for using the store and heaven forbid buying something while pirating, lol.
BTW, this will get zero likes bc negativity in this thread gets likes.
Honestly, nothing is going to have 100% same output outside of mathematical domain, and Hade - despite less than ideal PR - may be one of those cases that actually benefited from Epic deal. As indie gamer, I've seen lot of Early Access games get poor reviews during initial release and never recover in spite of future improvements... which is why games like Spire of Sorcery (which I personally found to be bad game but I digress) and Xenonauts 2 use limited early access to accept community input without reviews. Supergiant had enough name recognition and loyal fanbase to make "Epic as early access" strategy actually work.This is hilarious after alienating Steam users by going EGS exclusive...
At this rate I expect Limbo to be one of the games on offer.yup, that one too
and BraidAt this rate I expect Limbo to be one of the games on offer.
People can give me the side eye, I just want them to know they don't look great when doing so. Still pissed about being called a sellout by member that's avoided me and your comments and its shitty that one of the best games of the last decade was given for free and members didn't want to take it and experience it because of the energy consuming hatred frothed up in parts of Meta.See that's what I don't understand, criticism it's not equal to negativity and the store has a LOT of flaws (setting aside Sweeney personality)
A lot of friends and family members grab the free games, and it isn't a problem but that doesn't change the HUGE problems the ''platform'' has and will not change the way it is.
Seriously good for you if you take the games but you don't want people giving you ''the side eye''? Then let people just criticise and don't start like it's a dogpile or that it's negative. This doesn't work like a message board so don't get surprised if people react.
There are a lot of reasons why people don't care about free games. Judging people for not taking them even though they may be amazing doesn't help the situation at all. Maybe some people don't want to add to their backlog? Maybe people just don't like the genre? Maybe people just don't want to download another launcher. All of those are valid reasons to not care.People can give me the side eye, I just want them to know they don't look great when doing so. Still pissed about being called a sellout by member that's avoided me and your comments and its shitty that one of the best games of the last decade was given for free and members didn't want to take it and experience it because of the energy consuming hatred frothed up in parts of Meta.
Not my fault VR is so expensive and unavailable in my country. Blame my government!Always a great look when you preemptively judge others for not giving you likes cos they're judgemental and negative. Talk about taking EGS personally.
Also you all suck for not being as excited about VR as I am so I just talk to myself in the VR thread and only lashman likes the posts cos he likes everything
"My comments" hurt you because you thought they were an attack and sincerely it seems you take it too personal when people disagree with you. People are free to reject the games, the same way you are free to take them, you don't want to be judged for taking the games (and you shouldn't be) yet every intervention by you since then has consisted in throwing shade at others that disagree with you, the same thing you are accusing us of doing.People can give me the side eye, I just want them to know they don't look great when doing so. Still pissed about being called a sellout by member that's avoided me and your comments and its shitty that one of the best games of the last decade was given for free and members didn't want to take it and experience it because of the energy consuming hatred frothed up in parts of Meta.
no, i don't there are definitely posts i don't "like"only lashman likes the posts cos he likes everything
Your own posts don't count, dummy!no, i don't there are definitely posts i don't "like"
<3 U lash, you naughty naughty boy who refuses to capitalize his name. I bet if the verb was called "socialize" you'd spell it with an uppercase "L"
Anime posts are your favorite no?no, i don't there are definitely posts i don't "like"
Anime posts are your favorite no?
Fortnite 2 made with Unreal Engine 5.
Gonna be honest, I think they're tossing every single thing at the wall and hoping one of them sticks. I really do hope this means the EGS experiment isn't working out for them as well as they'd hoped.
My guess is 'depends'. There's no way Ubisoft would agree to that, for example.I wonder what happens with EGS exclusives when they hit the end of their exclusivity period and they haven't hit the number of copies that Tim pre-bought? Does the game have to hit that sales number before making any extra money no matter what on the game or does Tim take the loss and start paying out that 88% for every copy sold?
There's a reason Supergiant were happy to stop talking about the EGS version months ago, the literal second they were allowed to put a Steam store page up and advertise a release date for that platform.But smaller indies might have to take the loss until they hit the sales target.
Logically and economically (for Epic) it should mean that the sales guarantee must be sold out before the dev ever sees any money from EGS sales. It would mean that any sale after the exclusivity, that is sold through EGS is a lost sale for the dev until the sales guarantee is over AND the dev sold enough copies with 88/12 to mitigate the $0 sales that could have been Steam sales under 70/30I wonder what happens with EGS exclusives when they hit the end of their exclusivity period and they haven't hit the number of copies that Tim pre-bought? Does the game have to hit that sales number before making any extra money no matter what on the game or does Tim take the loss and start paying out that 88% for every copy sold?
Well said. Forums are meant to discuss, which means that people may agree or disagree with you. And there's nothing wrong with the latter."My comments" hurt you because you thought they were an attack and sincerely it seems you take it too personal when people disagree with you. People are free to reject the games, the same way you are free to take them, you don't want to be judged for taking the games (and you shouldn't be) yet every intervention by you since then has consisted in throwing shade at others that disagree with you, the same thing you are accusing us of doing.
of course not, duhHas Tim ever responded to the fact that they said they wont do sales and within a year have had two bargin basement everything must go sales?
First of all: I didn't call you a sellout, stop making things up.Still pissed about being called a sellout by member that's avoided me and your comments and its shitty that one of the best games of the last decade was given for free and members didn't want to take it and experience it because of the energy consuming hatred frothed up in parts of Meta.
Pretty sure that Tim said that the exclusivity only lasts for the time agreed on between Epic and the pub / devs, independent of how many copies sold on EGS during this time but I can't find this tweet right nowI wonder what happens with EGS exclusives when they hit the end of their exclusivity period and they haven't hit the number of copies that Tim pre-bought? Does the game have to hit that sales number before making any extra money no matter what on the game or does Tim take the loss and start paying out that 88% for every copy sold?
Tim says a lot of things.Pretty sure that Tim said that the exclusivity only lasts for the time agreed on between Epic and the pub / devs, independent of how many copies sold on EGS during this time but I can't find this tweet right now
I chose to believe him on this, but I guess we will see soon enough. Genesis Alpha One will be dropping in February and I doubt that it sold very well (and Hide & Seek is already on Steam, which I also have my doubts, but maybe it ended selling the number of copies Tim bought since it was a launch exclusive and all that).Tim says a lot of things.
They take no losses, they've already been paid for in full for the revenue the game would have generated.But smaller indies might have to take the loss until they hit the sales target. Which is the most likely scenario. This is pure speculation, of course. But honestly, how much of the initial payout might remain within the developer to keep them afloat?
I'll admit: I do not have Little Inferno.Same with Little Inferno. Great game, but it's 8 years old, has been bundled several times, and practically everyone I know has a copy of it already.
I think the point being made is that the loss comes in after the exclusivity deal is over and the game is available on Steam. If someone decides to buy a game on EGS over Steam at that point, developers could be losing out on revenue. An EGS sale, assuming the advance hasn't been met, gives developers 0% as Epic has already paid them for it. But if there are alternative places to buy the game where the developer gets their 70%, then that could definitely be seen as a loss.They take no losses, they've already been paid for in full for the revenue the game would have generated.
If the game generates less than what EGS paid then they have a profit not a loss, because EGS overestimated and overpaid what the game would have sold, (if you account for inflation money now are more valuable than money later, so it's a very good outcome regardless if it takes them 1 year or 3 years or only the exclusivity period).
If the game generates more than EGS paid the devs start getting that revenue flow as well.
In both cases a developer/publisher wins.
I would play on EGS for Control (GOTY candidate for many outlets) or Shenmue 3.Eh, I expected more from Sweeney’s warchest. Outside of couple of games it’s basically bundle fodder at this point. Maybe he’ll give away something substantial in the end (Shenmue 3, seemingly nobody bought this shit, so he might act as a Suzuki’s savior).
Oh framed like that I see what you meanI think the point being made is that the loss comes in after the exclusivity deal is over and the game is available on Steam. If someone decides to buy a game on EGS over Steam at that point, developers could be losing out on revenue. An EGS sale, assuming the advance hasn't been met, gives developers 0% as Epic has already paid them for it. But if there are alternative places to buy the game where the developer gets their 70%, then that could definitely be seen as a loss.
Imagine epic sitting on prepurchased copies, the one year period is over and people starting to buy the game on other platforms.I think the point being made is that the loss comes in after the exclusivity deal is over and the game is available on Steam. If someone decides to buy a game on EGS over Steam at that point, developers could be losing out on revenue. An EGS sale, assuming the advance hasn't been met, gives developers 0% as Epic has already paid them for it. But if there are alternative places to buy the game where the developer gets their 70%, then that could definitely be seen as a loss.