I think you need to stop taking things so seriously. We are 242 pages into the thread because people have vented out about problems they have with Epic.
My suggestion is to spend it on Oxygen Not Included. It's an amazing game and one of my most played games of the past few years.
Instead of leaving the thread we can talk about what changes is needed and why they are needed. What should be the new thread title? What should be the rules of the thread? What do you want to accomplish with a thread title change?
Okay, so what do you wanna do? Example(s) of new thread title and rules for the thread?
Not worth the effort for what will be, as you rightfully predict, a losing battle. I can't control people.
Losing battle? What battle? Another separate EGS thread for people using the store will live or die by the people using that thread. There's no battle, it's just discussion and commenting. Like I can see myself simply posting EGS announcements there. Just because I don't like EGS doesn't mean I can't post deals and other announcements surrounding EGS in a that thread.
The meta steam thread is used about more than just steam discussion. It may have started for steam discussion only but the natural course of this board turned it into something different.
Don't bother. Especially now, with so much personal animosity around this thread atm.
That's why Im considering making a separate thread, to lessen the animosity in this thread.
The draft I had put together was was formatted more like an OT. It listed the good (stated goals of the store, free games!, dev split), the bad (the reasons why exclusives are a negative, dev reactions to fans, etc), and a section on sweeney (and a link to the Epic v Apple thread). then linked to the halloween sale page and coupon faq on egs' site.
I think you should go ahead and publish the thread, we don't know how things will be before it's done.
I won't be able to do it until later this afternoon/evening, but I will pyt it back together and post it then, let the cards fall as they may
Yeah, the best we can do is simply try different things, another separate EGS thread is one of the things we can try.
Yeah, this.
I think the main argument would be short-term gains vs longer-term damage. The opposition against Epic isn't based on the philosophical position of Epic competing unfairly but on the very realistic scenario of exclusivity gaining a foothold on PC and distorting true competition. Ideally, as a customer and gamer, you want multiple companies competing for your money by offering better prices, better services, more features or all of the above. Buying up exclusives distorts competition by imposing artificial scarcity and locking out competitors.
I'm strongly against threads about any subject where criticism is not allowed.
I concur.
"I'm not doing it because it could, in theory, maybe, under certain circumstances and conditions go wrong."
In my case, that's actually true. I'll be happy to ignore a couple of games, if this means I don't have to support any efforts to establish money hatting as the norm for "competition" between digital stores on pc. There are many, many other great games to play on pc.
So you want an EGS thread without shitposting, but you're perfectly fine posting stuff like this? I mean, people must be idiots to vote with their wallets against things they don't like, right? Respect has to come from both sides m8...
You have a clear stance against Amazon, don't you?
Fair enough, talk about whatever you want. But people have the right to disagree, if they want.
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That's quite frankly why there's a separate thread now: |OT| - Epic Meta Store - $10 Coupon for your egsclusive thoughts
You cant use it on anything Fortnite related. Not even to buy Save the World.Can you buy vbux with itI'd buy an Unreal Tournament or something with no issues and remorse whatsoever had Epic still been making stuff like that...
Yes.
My intent was to demonstrate how disrespectful your way of talking in this thread is by using your own exact words and logic.
Fine with me. Disagreeing is normal.
With all due respect, this isn't doing much to better the atmosphere eitherIf you're tired of getting into slap fights with a specific person you could always just ignore them. It exists for a reason and I wouldn't be surprised if I was already on quite a few peoples ignore lists between here and era
.This entire thread was born on bitterness so I don’t think the atmosphere here was ever salvageableWith all due respect, this isn't doing much to better the atmosphere either
I keep hearing this and this just isn't true. At least please verify your sources before posting.
I'm talking about the entire thread not just the OP. People went from skeptical to upset before the first page even filled, and it got increasingly worse from there.
It's not bad faith. The decision by most of us to limit EGS discussion in the Steam thread was specifically made because several members were severely affected by all the bad news about moneyhats, to the point of it affecting their mental health. I personally requested several times to stop discussion on hypothetical EGS exclusivity each time a new game was announced because I saw the negative effect it had on people. That choice had absolutely nothing to do with any desire to lock off EGS discussion, I was part of it.
You have to realize that this is simply whataboutism, right? You dismiss an effort to improve the industry by calling out people's potential inaction on other issues even though you a) have no way of knowing what any of us are doing in our daily lives to improve society and b) have no authority to dictate other people's priorities.
Yup, the talk about EGS exclusives on the Steam thread (Hades, Satisfactory, games I really wanted to play) actually made me somewhat depressed and I have been to a psyhology just because why not and she told me that I actually have strong mental health and that's the reason I rarely ever get depressed or get anxiety issues. So the moment that I got depressed by reading about EGSxclusive talk in the Steam thread I felt there had to be some change.
I'm really sorry this happened. I hope things are going better for you now?
Thank you mr. Objectivism for clearing it up for everybody
Alright first of all if anything I'm going to say sounds harsh to you I'm sorry, that's not the intention but writing does that sometimes.
Yeah. I don't get depressed these days, it mosty happened during the time Hades, Satisfactory and Control were exclusive and some people talked about those games and other moneyhats in the Steam thread.
Both of these are your opinion, not facts.
Why is that? Digital is a huge part of today's life and the consequences of policies pertaining to it will have a huge impact in the future if computing is to be part of it at all. I believe the boycott of Exclusivity is arguably important to the future of games on the PC platform, and will probably bleed into regular software. You do not get to pass judgment on what deserves, or not, to be elevated in such absolute terms. It is okay to say that it doesn't matter to you, just like what qualifies as a cheese sandwich isn't really the fight of the century to me.
We have no right to force decisions or opinions on you, and that applies right back at you. Your post is remarkably unfair and asymmetrical as to what you claim the right to and afford to others. The shot at the "little clique" is also not exactly necessary and filled with contempt.
Your not liking people or them not liking you does not dispense either of civility and the principles of a good and healthy discussion. I'm sorry if people have attacked you on the basis of your opinions. It is also my strongly held belief that nagging people about a cause only make people doubtful of it.
You seem to fall pretty frequently into this sort of persecution complex because of people liking or not liking each other's or your posts. Maybe you should just accept that most people here don't agree with you, especially because you always seem to post with the intention of teaching the plebs from your high seat of universal knowledge when in reality you know pretty much just as much as any other poster here (and much less than some of the posters here that are in some way connected to the industry) and you try to pass every single of your opinions as some sort of fact.
This this this this this. PC gaming is what it is today, because a significant part of the community stood up against shitty stuff like GFWL, UWP and paid online gaming. If you don't like what a certain company is doing with your hobby, giving them your money anyway so they can keep doing it is the wordt thing you can do.
