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I as many here bounced of Morrowind at first, it's the lack of direction that can be little overwhelming, especially since you don't really know what can be possible and what one can discover out there in the world. It wasn't until a friend of mine told me that he had crazy acrobatics and when stripped naked could jump up on building and that got me really intrigued, So I really gave it a go and yeah once you start to feel live you are really exploring a world you get hooked.
I believe that not only does this aid in immersion/world-building, it also improves the reward structure. Getting access to mark and recall, and/or levitation fundamentally changes how you can play and approach the game. I'd go as far as to say that, in 100 hours of Oblivion there isn't a single event that changes the basic gameplay loop as significantly as each of those single spells in Morrowind does on its own.
Everything you're all saying about Morrowind sounds like it's something I'd love, so thanks for all the details. I've always overlooked it, and I guess it's because it didn't have the popularity or visibility of the other ES titles. If I'd known why, I probably would have tried it a long time ago. Anyway, the GOTY edition is like $5 on Steam right now, so I picked it up.
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That's very sad indeed. In a lot of ways Morrowind was Bethesda's last hurrah after the failure of Redguard and Battlespire. They had no guarantee they'd still have a job after it was over, and shot for the moon. I also don't think it's a coincidence that some of the best CRPGs of all time can often be described as incredibly ambitious and somewhat broken (at release anyway).
I know Bethesda lost a lot of important developers after Morrowind, such as Douglas Goodall, Julian Le Fay, and Michael Kirkbride (He did a little writing for Oblivion), but ultimately I think that shifting focus to a mainstream audience post-Morrowind is what changed Bethesda forever, and for the worst.
Good thread, hopefully it won't eventually turn into an argument over what defines a RPG like it always seemed to on other places. Also I promise not to visibly cringe when someone mentions AC Odyssey as a RPG.
As for me I'm about to ready to dive into a new RPG as I haven't really played one in a while. I'm looking at Elex because of all the good things I heard about it. Someone give me some extra motivation to start it soon-ish.
As for me I'm about to ready to dive into a new RPG as I haven't really played one in a while. I'm looking at Elex because of all the good things I heard about it. Someone give me some extra motivation to start it soon-ish.
Heck yes. Great thread.
As always folks championing Planescape: Torment know what they are talking about. The story of that game is still unequaled in games today.
As for personal favorites, lots have already been mentioned. Xenogears and Shadowrun: Dragonfall for sure.
I also really still love Baldur's Gate 2, despite it being less good than Planescape in story, the game has way more style and lore. It fulfills that D&D Adventuring itch in a really great way. NWN is also good at this, but the lack of a full party kinda makes it a no-go for me.
The Trails Series of course is the best JRPGs and I will fight anyone saying otherwise (there are very good other ones, but the Sky Trilogy in particular is still so so good). Cold Steel 1 & 2 aren't as amazing in the story department as the Sky Trilogy (Maybe CS3&4 will change my mind if they ever come to PC), so if you want a god tier JRPG play Trails in the Sky FC/SC and 3rd.
As always folks championing Planescape: Torment know what they are talking about. The story of that game is still unequaled in games today.
As for personal favorites, lots have already been mentioned. Xenogears and Shadowrun: Dragonfall for sure.
I also really still love Baldur's Gate 2, despite it being less good than Planescape in story, the game has way more style and lore. It fulfills that D&D Adventuring itch in a really great way. NWN is also good at this, but the lack of a full party kinda makes it a no-go for me.
The Trails Series of course is the best JRPGs and I will fight anyone saying otherwise (there are very good other ones, but the Sky Trilogy in particular is still so so good). Cold Steel 1 & 2 aren't as amazing in the story department as the Sky Trilogy (Maybe CS3&4 will change my mind if they ever come to PC), so if you want a god tier JRPG play Trails in the Sky FC/SC and 3rd.
If you like Piranha Bytes's other games, then you should enjoy Elex. It's not nearly as tight as Gothic, but the DNA is there and you can feel it. I really liked the game quite a lot.
Welcome aboard~!
AC Odyssey is a RPG.
But seriously, you should play Elex.
Fine fine you guys twisted my arm I'll play Elex next lol. Since I refunded wolfenstein my schedule's become a lot clearer suddenly.
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I'd like your thoughts on an addition to the OP.
My idea is for the OP to be driven by community content, and for that to promote discussion. I hope to have people contribute recommendations over time. In addition to recommendations, I think a highlight section would be great for people willing to write a little more in-depth about a particular topic to start a new conversation.
Thoughts? Are people willing to write?
My idea is for the OP to be driven by community content, and for that to promote discussion. I hope to have people contribute recommendations over time. In addition to recommendations, I think a highlight section would be great for people willing to write a little more in-depth about a particular topic to start a new conversation.
- It's okay to write about a particular title, but it's not strictly a recommendation. Examples: A look at fast travel implementations across several open-world RPGs. The design path of the Immersive Sim genre. An obscure Japanese RPG. A unique story about an RPG experience.
- It's not a full article, but not quite a conventional post either.
Thoughts? Are people willing to write?
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Good thread. We need more genre specific topics to match other sites.
The most bizarre experience I had with an RPG happened outside of the game. A few years ago I was browsing one of the sites specified on the genre and saw a review of VtM:B that, in short, said that the game is pretty bad. Now, I'm not against people having their own opinion, but I can disagree with it, especially if it concerns my favorite game of all time, as I did in the comment section. The reviewer didn't like such apostasy and strolled to Twitter to make fun of me and call me names, which in turn activated my inner trolling twat and started the most idiotic bickering I've ever been a part of. I still think that the guy is an ass, but my behavior wasn't the most outstanding either. In the end, the site admin just permabanned me and everyone moved on, but that shit is out there forever, and I'm ashamed.
The most bizarre experience I had with an RPG happened outside of the game. A few years ago I was browsing one of the sites specified on the genre and saw a review of VtM:B that, in short, said that the game is pretty bad. Now, I'm not against people having their own opinion, but I can disagree with it, especially if it concerns my favorite game of all time, as I did in the comment section. The reviewer didn't like such apostasy and strolled to Twitter to make fun of me and call me names, which in turn activated my inner trolling twat and started the most idiotic bickering I've ever been a part of. I still think that the guy is an ass, but my behavior wasn't the most outstanding either. In the end, the site admin just permabanned me and everyone moved on, but that shit is out there forever, and I'm ashamed.
You may be joking but I say thy meh ! I feel that at one point or another in your digital life you have to enter a stupid feud. And make a fool of yourself optionally while you are at it. Comes with the territory. What's important is being able to see that you were, eh, not bright. And ideally being able to not re-enter such mess. The fact that it happened... I and many others have been there, that's not the end of the world.
Me I got in some pretty heated comic book feuds many years ago. With a huge dickhead. I won the feud (because I like to think I was stupid but not totally wrong, but that's what they all say, don't they). And I had the genius idea to end the convo by adding some incredibly moronic 'and I will always be here to fight you', or some variation.
You can imagine it's not the moment in my life I'm the most proud of
Speaking of Elex, should I play it. I have played the following Piranha Bytes games:
Gothic 3 (didn't like it)
Risen (liked it)
Risen 2 (liked it)
Risen 3 (liked it)
I liked them but didn't love them. How is Elex compared to these previous games?
Gothic 3 (didn't like it)
Risen (liked it)
Risen 2 (liked it)
Risen 3 (liked it)
I liked them but didn't love them. How is Elex compared to these previous games?
Would it be fine if it's like some kind of a short review writeup?I'd like your thoughts on an addition to the OP.
My idea is for the OP to be driven by community content, and for that to promote discussion. I hope to have people contribute recommendations over time. In addition to recommendations, I think a highlight section would be great for people willing to write a little more in-depth about a particular topic to start a new conversation.
- It's okay to write about a particular title, but it's not strictly a recommendation. Examples: A look at fast travel implementations across several open-world RPGs. The design path of the Immersive Sim genre. An obscure Japanese RPG. A unique story about an RPG experience.
- It's not a full article, but not quite a conventional post either.
Thoughts? Are people willing to write?
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Nice thread 
I'm currently about 10 hours into Pathfinder: Kingmaker which is great so far.
I'm currently about 10 hours into Pathfinder: Kingmaker which is great so far.
Nice thread.
I'm currently playing Baldur's Gate for the first time. I'm only at the beginning of chapter 2.
I'm currently playing Baldur's Gate for the first time. I'm only at the beginning of chapter 2.
I love Elex and have spent hours and hours in it on-and-off, if you like PB games then you know what to expect.
Just a quick tip regarding Skill Points. Armour and Weapons are gated by stats so, say you need xx Dex and xx Str to use a certain Axe don't bother putting points in those Skills until you have enough. There's no advantage to having 17 points in something if it needs 20 to unlock. Just hoard your points until you have enough to use the item you want.
Aside from that, have fun! There's a ton of stuff to do and explore in the game and it doesn't look half-bad either.
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That's my plan. I already typed one up for Death end re;Quest earlier in this thread and I'd like to do one for each new RPG I finish.I'd like your thoughts on an addition to the OP.
My idea is for the OP to be driven by community content, and for that to promote discussion. I hope to have people contribute recommendations over time. In addition to recommendations, I think a highlight section would be great for people willing to write a little more in-depth about a particular topic to start a new conversation.
- It's okay to write about a particular title, but it's not strictly a recommendation. Examples: A look at fast travel implementations across several open-world RPGs. The design path of the Immersive Sim genre. An obscure Japanese RPG. A unique story about an RPG experience.
- It's not a full article, but not quite a conventional post either.
Thoughts? Are people willing to write?
Somewhere on RPgamer, lol. Not sure if its still there tho, they could've clean that mess.
I can't start another fucking game. Silence ! You devilish tempter !
Of course you can! You play an RPG for a few hours, start another - get hooked on that - repeat in an endless loop and never finish anything.I can't start another fucking game. Silence ! You devilish tempter !
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Poll added.
For Turn-Based Combat I prefer...
For Turn-Based Combat I prefer...
- A Square Grid
- A Hex Grid
- No Grid
I prefer either kind of grid.
It was always frustrating playing Original Sin, where I think to myself "I'm not in that puddle", it gets electrocuted and my character becomes stunned because it's not 100% clear visually.
Having that exact definition of positioning and effects from grids is my preference.
Arulan you might want to change it to multi-select then (and let people change their vote)
in case people like more than one
Don't care so long as the game's great. Xcom squares, great, final fantasy tactics squares great, valkyria chronicles no grid great, battle for wesnoth hexes great, vantage master hexes great, old-civilization squares great, original sin no grid great, etc.
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Fallout and Battle Brothers are examples of a Hex Grid.
Both Divinity: Original Sin games are recent examples of No Grid. This system usually has an indicator that tells you the distance you're about to travel, and the Action Points you'll consume by doing so.
Oh, wow I don't know how I've never realized Fallout was Hex grid! I've played the first one, I'll have to check out Battle Brothers.
I am also either kind of grid.
I feel like most CRPGs are hex, and consoles are square.
Hmm, I have not played an RPG in a hot minute. Last one I played was the remake of Planescape: Torment, which I hated. It's like they tried to make a novel into a video game and forgot to add actual gameplay.
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I'm pretty sure Square Grids are the most popular across both PC and Consoles. I can't seem to recall any Japanese RPGs that use a Hex Grid at the moment though.
Pool of Radiance and The Age of Decadence are pictured above. The latter was going to use a Hex Grid, but encountered technical issues with their engine.
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Master of Monsters
Dark Wizard
Wild ARMs 4 and 5, and Wild ARMs XF.
Brigandine
Vantage Master
No grid. I'd like to see other indicators of attack distance and movement. As much as I don't like Valkyria Chronicles (not really an RPG) I think Sega had the right idea about presenting the information to the gamer.
I don't really have a preference for Turn-Based Combat. I like the hex grid in Civilization, the no-grid system of Divinity Original Sin and even the square grid in games like Banner Saga.
My true love is Real Time with Pause
My true love is Real Time with Pause
My true love is Real Time with Pause
Was the poll updated? Because it shows just the three options for me. And either way is fine with me.
Will probably start Final Fantasy V on GBA later today. Started Monster Boy on PC and that will probably postpone my plans.
Will probably start Final Fantasy V on GBA later today. Started Monster Boy on PC and that will probably postpone my plans.
My true love is Real Time with Pause
It takes true enlightenment to appreciate RTwP combat, I see you're not quite there yet
I feel you. I know that hexes have very good reasons to be used, are literally superior to squares, but some ocd part of my mind never really got used to what they look at first glance. Messy yeah.
People are now rooting for RTwP? This thread has run its course and needs to be purged.
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