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He hurts himself when he sends out these messages.
like someone else said, any publicity is good publicity these days. I would say all the hate has gotten them way more attention than their own marketing and they are definitely profiting from it. Just like #45 does in the US. People like Tim love attention, and hes getting more than hes ever gotten in awhile. He will double down on all efforts to continue to get that attention.
As far as indie devs, yeah they should take the deal. My rent is due this week not in the future. Future trust from strangers means nothing in this economy when people are literally living check to check. I have to side eye anyone hating on indies taking the easy cash, unless you can match it for them and know their current financial situation. If EGS offers any of you cash you better take it, your real friends will be here when its over lol. Its like the WCW days, Vince will be there later in the meantime make that money and actually have a retirement fund (old school wrestling fans will get this lol )
As far as their attitude, welcome to creatives lol. Im not sure where people thought that creatives are nice to everyone, never been the case. Creatives are usually very self centered, and sure maybe some use marketing to filter but you should prefer reality anyway. Go read the countless stories of fans meeting their heroes only to find out they are but human and could care less about them. I think the internet allows for more of that truth to show thru.
Noone I know is like yeah lets starve myself to death and make a game for the fans lol. Nope, its for them, and if they happen to get fans along the way cool but they could care less about you. It about their vision. Thats always been the creative way. They only open up to fans when they need funding, the same way they do to businesses.
Of course they get cocky, they are getting more money deposited in their account than many of them have ever made or will make in a lifetime. That does all sorts of things to brain chemistry. I think a buddy of mine was saying once you start talking millions, most people change, and there are studies around brain chemistry trying to determine that switch. I imagine its even bigger if the person was very poor and it wasnt gradual but instant. I think everyone would like to think they would not change but we have too much data that shows that would be much more a rarity than reality.
As far as wanting companies to be real with you. No you dont lol.
The reality is they dont care about you. They dont care what you think. They dont even care about the people making them money.
Not sure what people are expecting here. Yes they will do whatever benefits them first financially. People are not honest with the public
because history shows thats not what people want to hear. Most people want to hear marketing speak, or corporate kool aid , so thats what everyone is fed.
If you want truth, you will be in the minority, so you cant expect to get that thru means that are meant for the majority.
Thats why "off the record" was invented.
I just wish people would not give Tim so much attention, hes not even as creative as #45, lol.
As far as indie devs, yeah they should take the deal. My rent is due this week not in the future. Future trust from strangers means nothing in this economy when people are literally living check to check. I have to side eye anyone hating on indies taking the easy cash, unless you can match it for them and know their current financial situation. If EGS offers any of you cash you better take it, your real friends will be here when its over lol. Its like the WCW days, Vince will be there later in the meantime make that money and actually have a retirement fund (old school wrestling fans will get this lol )
As far as their attitude, welcome to creatives lol. Im not sure where people thought that creatives are nice to everyone, never been the case. Creatives are usually very self centered, and sure maybe some use marketing to filter but you should prefer reality anyway. Go read the countless stories of fans meeting their heroes only to find out they are but human and could care less about them. I think the internet allows for more of that truth to show thru.
Noone I know is like yeah lets starve myself to death and make a game for the fans lol. Nope, its for them, and if they happen to get fans along the way cool but they could care less about you. It about their vision. Thats always been the creative way. They only open up to fans when they need funding, the same way they do to businesses.
Of course they get cocky, they are getting more money deposited in their account than many of them have ever made or will make in a lifetime. That does all sorts of things to brain chemistry. I think a buddy of mine was saying once you start talking millions, most people change, and there are studies around brain chemistry trying to determine that switch. I imagine its even bigger if the person was very poor and it wasnt gradual but instant. I think everyone would like to think they would not change but we have too much data that shows that would be much more a rarity than reality.
As far as wanting companies to be real with you. No you dont lol.
The reality is they dont care about you. They dont care what you think. They dont even care about the people making them money.
Not sure what people are expecting here. Yes they will do whatever benefits them first financially. People are not honest with the public
because history shows thats not what people want to hear. Most people want to hear marketing speak, or corporate kool aid , so thats what everyone is fed.
If you want truth, you will be in the minority, so you cant expect to get that thru means that are meant for the majority.
Thats why "off the record" was invented.
I just wish people would not give Tim so much attention, hes not even as creative as #45, lol.
OK, that was actually pretty funny.
Their trello lists a few things, but I'm guessing that he's thinking of offline mode and/or regional pricing.
Someone should get Ric Flair to get in the mix! Everytime you launch a game from his launcher.. Whooo! Whooo!!!!
Probably pays someone to hurt themselves on his behalf.
Exactly. I owe creators absolutely nothing. Do I want good creators to be successful? Sure. But it's not my responsibility that they become/remain successful. And I won't push or promote a game that I think has issues just because a creator needs to pay the bills.
Support the creators! Also, screw Steam, there should be heavier curation!
And still we have people who wonder why all this EGS thing is so toxic. This guy is just embarrassing.
yeah, it's all extremely unfortunate
Yeah, I don’t see where non-EGS-conformists come off as the dicks...yeah, it's all extremely unfortunate
Yep, the day devs Paypal me some money if I'm facing difficulties then I will stan for them.
Which is the problem with our capitalistic society, Consumers are no longer viewed as anything more than cattle waiting to be milked. But to be honest, I do believe there are good companies out there that at least try to make their customers happy. Maybe they're only doing it because it's profitable for them, but at least both parties' interests align. And I do think there are a lot of good indie creators who still care about the craft and are passionate about the games they create. From what I've seen, it's usually the devs who get too big for their britches that end up having their games drop off in quality because they start prioritizing how they can monetize their audience over entertaining them.
I stepped into a Hades thread. Oops! I was chastised for my opinion.
EGS is mentioned on almost every BL3 ad I've seen so far. Epic's sponsoring must have been huge.
I guess he means the Hades thread on Era. It's best to put these threads on ignore if you don't like EGS.
Sadly, whatever bullshit Tim Sweeney writes is pretty much expected of him. What gets me frustrated is the games media drinking his koolaid, especially parts of the games media that I enjoy watching/listening too.
I mean, the part of the media that is eating his shit is getting his shit enveloped in money. If Epic cancels or postpone their plans to put influencers in a pedestal in EGS I bet things would start lo look differently regarding how the media reacts to Tim.
Sad but true. It's just that I expect better from some people, you know? I don't even mind that if they don't have much knowledge of Steam and Epic and therefore don't address the situation. They should either do some research or just not talk about it at all, rather than spout some nonsense like "It's just another icon".
E.g. I don't remember if it was a podcast or another E3 video, but I think Easy Allies used the word "petty" regarding the people angry at the whole Shenmue 3 EGS situation. I skip these segments but it's disheartening when some of my favourite outlets who usually don't have the whole sold-out mentality like PC Gamer does, act like this. I suppose it's not surprising because Shenmue 3 is a passionate topic for Easy Allies but I just don't understand the lack of basic research. Is it asking too much? And this is just one example.
It's such a relief that knowledgeable individuals are doing the work games media are supposed to do. It's both sad and also admirable at the same time. This is why I hope that EGS crashes and burns so that this influencer bullshit is weeded out of PC gaming at least.
yeah ... and it's really goddamn annoying ... and sad too
yeah, exactly ... no one is required to know everything about everything ... it's fine if you don't know about this stuff ... but if you're going to talk about this stuff - don't just go repeating bullshit you heard somewhere instead of doing ACTUAL RESEARCH ... the absolute minimum even (and no, reading a few articles on 2 gaming websites isn't "research")
it was Kyle ... and yeah ... not that i'm surprised - he doesn't play on PC pretty much at all, so i can only assume it's not a big deal for him since he doesn't even have a good frame of reference for something like that .... because consoles NEVER had to deal with something like that
but, again, that doesn't excuse not even attempting to do some research beforehand .... and if you're not willing to do it, then don't talk about it - we definitely could use less uninformed opinions about all this stuff out there
Pretty much this, Lash. Just some basic research would be nice and would go a long way. Either that, or just shut up and leave such an important topic for others who make an actual effort to understand the situation.
We assume that Epic is paying for eggsclusivity by preordering a couple of hundred thousand game copies.
The companies get the money up front, epic gets all the sales till a certain number is reached and after that it's business as usual.
This brings the "mega sale" 10€ discount into a new perspective for me. What if Epic isn't able to get rid of those purchased copies, because not enough people are preordering? What if they weren't subsidizing the games because they wanted to try the carrot instead of the stick, for once. What if they were just trying to minimize looses? If you can't move already purchased product, you might need to lower the price to get at least something back?
Not all games on the EGS are also EGS exclusive though, like e.g. Vampire Bloodlines 2 and Divison 2. But if I'm not mistaken those games also vanished from the store during the mega sale.
I know, it's a bit far pitched. But it at least brings the discount into a new perspective, even if the motivation was a late carrot and not to cover up for lost money.
The companies get the money up front, epic gets all the sales till a certain number is reached and after that it's business as usual.
This brings the "mega sale" 10€ discount into a new perspective for me. What if Epic isn't able to get rid of those purchased copies, because not enough people are preordering? What if they weren't subsidizing the games because they wanted to try the carrot instead of the stick, for once. What if they were just trying to minimize looses? If you can't move already purchased product, you might need to lower the price to get at least something back?
Not all games on the EGS are also EGS exclusive though, like e.g. Vampire Bloodlines 2 and Divison 2. But if I'm not mistaken those games also vanished from the store during the mega sale.
I know, it's a bit far pitched. But it at least brings the discount into a new perspective, even if the motivation was a late carrot and not to cover up for lost money.
I don't think they are doing it to minimize losses, they are just trying to get the copies they bought into the hands of actual humans instead of sitting on them. My assumption is that no one was buying the games at their original prices, hence the fire sale.
well it certainly seems very suspicious after their statements on sales just a few months back
Why can't it be a combination of both? I seriously doubt the investors are going to be happy with Epic indefinitely blowing money with questionable returns. Sure, Sweeny owns a majority of the company, but that doesn't mean the other investors' interests are not heard or taken into consideration.
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This may be true for some games (especially AA and AAA) but not all of them. One of the Rebel Galaxy Outlaws devs told me that he didn't got any money from Epic upfront.
He did get benefits from this deal tho (which he couldn't discuss because of contractual reasons of course, but financial stability was the reason for accepting Epic's deal) so I assume Epic assures them a minimum amount of sales and pays for the difference if the game sells less.
It was probably a combination of doing a pro-consumer move, bringing more people to their store and preventing several exclusives from being a huge flop on EGS. The latter would have an impact on the reputation of their store, and on their chances of getting more exclusive games.
It's good to see this motherfucker losing it. It's obvious he can't cope with the criticism anymore, so hopefully it will last for many more years (or until EGS dies, whatever happens first).
Yep, this is how I see it. None of us care for each other, and there's no reason to change that. If the smart thing for them is getting that Epic check, mine is pretending their games don't exist.
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LOL, now we're getting into bitch eating crackers territory.
He isn't losing it, he's just making a self-deprecating joke.
Sweeny will do what usually Sweeny does best. Being an a-hole.
Ofcourse i do not like what he and his company are doing but i also do not want to fall on his tricks.
He usually posts something that seems to be edgy to lure some of the less patient to attack him and then pose as the victim.
The saviour of PC gaming, the lord protector of struggling (or not?) game developers.
Ignore most of his posts, you can't stop him insulting our intelligence. If you try to argue with him he will beat you with his experience.
He does not deserve our valuable time.
Ofcourse i do not like what he and his company are doing but i also do not want to fall on his tricks.
He usually posts something that seems to be edgy to lure some of the less patient to attack him and then pose as the victim.
The saviour of PC gaming, the lord protector of struggling (or not?) game developers.
Ignore most of his posts, you can't stop him insulting our intelligence. If you try to argue with him he will beat you with his experience.
He does not deserve our valuable time.
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Exactly this.
Really, don't waste your valuable time with him, or getting upset with his crappy tactics.
There are so many worthwhile games to play, and so many developers doing their best to earn your money, why bother getting upset with him, his crappy store, and the "struggling" developers who take their money, and then antagonize and post ridicule comments about their potential customers?
You are just giving them free publicity.
I don't get upset with ol' Tim or even think of him much, I've got better things to do with my time. With family life and so many other games to play (PC and console) I've got less time than Epics got exclusives.
same ... none of this stuff is really upsetting to me ... it's funny more than anything tbh
At this point, I'm just watching the slow downfall.
I don't much like the EGS for how its trying to bribe decision makers rather than trying to compete on features / pricing / quality of service (which it could easily choose to focus on one of those three areas and exceed Steam, even if 'winning' on all three would be unfeasible) but I don't want to see it crash out and be abandoned GFWL style, because I don't particularly want to see a bunch of peoples money go up in smoke.
I'm with you on that, but I feel some are jumping on EGS in spite of Steam. You can find a few threads elsewhere where it seems this is the case. You can also go and read PC Gamer. I just don't get it.
Buying a shittier product to own the fanboys
Exactly.
It's like showing up to middle school lunch. Everyone is eating pizza. You start boasting about eating lutefisk.
In the past 30 days the following will have gone gold:
Void Bastards
Total War: Three Kingdoms
Bloodstained
They Are Billions
Oxygen Not Included
Who has time for EGS???
I really hope to get Void Bastards soon!
I don't think actual humans that regularly play games on PC buy games on EGS if another option is available. If it's cheaper on EGS or if it's only on EGS? Sure. If it's the same and on Steam or GOG? I honestly think that Epic gets zero sales from such situations.
I would and have assumed the same.
Yeah, it has become a meme at this point that the opening line of most EGS supporters is "I'm not a PC gamer but".