Community MetaSteam | October 2021 - Guardians of Ashes: Maiden of Empires

[Le Pertti]

Once I started to game on Xbox I have been much better at concentrating on stuff I’m doing. When I game I game, and when I work I work. And not being able to alt tab and easily launching a game on the work computer has made me make a clear separation in my game mode and work mode.

 

[fantomena]

Once I started to game on Xbox I have been much better at concentrating on stuff I’m doing. When I game I game, and when I work I work. And not being able to alt tab and easily launching a game on the work computer has made me make a clear separation in my game mode and work mode.

But you don't get to play the masterpiece that is Omori on Xbox.

 

[NarohDethan]

But you don't get to play the masterpiece that is Omori on Xbox.

IIRC console ports are on the way

 

[fantomena]

IIRC console ports are on the way

Only for Switch afaik, for now. I sorta expect Nintendo and Xbox (via game pass) will fight for timed exclusivity.

 

[NarohDethan]

Once I started to game on Xbox I have been much better at concentrating on stuff I’m doing. When I game I game, and when I work I work. And not being able to alt tab and easily launching a game on the work computer has made me make a clear separation in my game mode and work mode.

I know it sounds a bit ridiculous but I think using MacOS will actually make me a bit more productive. Like there’s something about it that encourages you to create/ do something? Idk

 

[fantomena]

I know it sounds a bit ridiculous but I think using MacOS will actually make me a bit more productive. Like there’s something about it that encourages you to create/ do something? Idk

Well since Mac is terrible at gaming, I do think you will be work productive.

 

[Le Pertti]

I know it sounds a bit ridiculous but I think using MacOS will actually make me a bit more productive. Like there’s something about it that encourages you to create/ do something? Idk

For me it is definitely like that. Also it just the fact that I have to start a console and plug in a controller if I want to game that puts just enough friction that makes it easier to not impulse game.

 

[prudis]

I hope most publishers and developers would still find value in allowing direct purchases even if other alternatives like streaming and subscription services become the new standard.

tbh this will be end of me caring about gamingnews if that happens ... and will fully focus on the backlog.
and with the siz of my backlog and hereditary diseases in my family .... the sooner it happens the better for my ability to claw away at least some of the backlog

 

[PC-tan]

personally, i don't think gabe needs to worry about something like Vapor, steam's already too big to be stopped

Oh I was talking about Alex and he is not happy how streamer make more money than game devs.

 

[Durante]

I’m not sure about the last point. With changing demographics and value and ownership perceptions due to the state of the world and software distribution/media consumption trends, I think it’s very much in the air whether Steam will be relevant in 10 years.

10 years sounds like a lot, but honestly I highly doubt this.

Unless you define "relevant" as the dominant position it occupies now, or expect Valve to self-sabotage in a spectacular fashion in the near future, I really don't think it's at all likely that Steam isn't still an extremely relevant marketplace 10 years from now, especially if you are creating a game which appeals to older gamers.

 

[lashman]

older gamers.

 

[Le Pertti]

We are old and we Stan steam. We already in the future!

 

[PC-tan]

That's not a gamer, that's just a bunch of lines that are moving and going nowhere.

 

[Stevey]

STEAM's been around for like 18 years and has got bigger and stronger each year.
Can't see it going anywhere in my lifetime

 

[Mor]

STEAM's been around for like 18 years and has got bigger and stronger each year.
Can't see it going anywhere in my lifetime

Everything goes away, everything dies, that doesnt mean it will be soon but it will happen one day.

 

[Knurek]

STEAM's been around for like 18 years and has got bigger and stronger each year.
Can't see it going anywhere in my lifetime

It will die very soon after Gabe leaves the world and it's sold to EA or MS or Tencent.

 

[Alexandros]

I’m at crossroads. I like PC gaming but using a PC enables my worst habits and sometimes gives me anxiety.

 

[PC-tan]

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Me spouting nonsense

Nintendo fan boys sure are something else....... Metroid can be emulated day 1..
They seem to think that the world is ending now because of it.......

"Hey guys it's okay, look it's the best selling game on these charts and stuff"

There is no need to worry everything is going to be fine......

I just weird, I mean, even if you could emulate Pokemon day 1, it would still sell 10 of millions of. Copies and would in now way out the series in danger of being put on "ice" and Nintendo never making another Metroid game again.


I don't think they seem to understand how Piracy works and also I'm guessing that they also likely believe that even if I own both a Switch, and a copy of Metroid (I have the SE and the amiibos) but if I choose to play that game on my PC with emulation and also didn't open up my Amiibos something tells me that they would call me a pirate....... Just wow. Nintendo does some "good" but boy are they scummy as hell as well.


There are some more level headed people that play on everything and you can have a conversation with them about games and even some Nintendo stuff but with Nintendo fan boys it feels like anything even remotely that could "challenge" Nintendo is a threat on that individuals entire existence.


Take the Steam Deck as an example some people seem to think it's a threat and that's why you do see a lot of negative talk about it, you also see those that are more level headed that know, it's its own thing. The Deck at most MOST will maybe sell 5 million units, but in reality it may say like 1-2 million within 3 or so years (maybe even a little sooner). So that's no threat to something that is already selling over 30+ million units.

The only real threat that the Switch faces at all from the Steam Deck comes in the form of indies and that's pretty much it. I say this since I doubt ever switch owner cares about indie games, even going back to the NES people were buying Nintendo stuff primally for first party stuff, and as of now there are even Switch games that have a 20% user retention!!!!!!!!!! Sony can barely get 10%!!!!! For it's first party games (so on average only 10% of Sony users buy first party games, that means that of their users 90% are not interested in buying a particular first party game)

Now the "threat" really just comes from sales numbers of indie games and some indie game are likely going to sell a lot less on Switch and in some cases sales may drop by something like 10k units? Depending on how many people that would say "I prefer to play on the go" switch form buying indies on Switch to PC you may see Nintendo losing a few million dollars in potential says actually, but nothing that would ever put the company is financial ruin or anything.


I spent some time reading an article about what I'm saying and some of the data that they shared is rather outdated. And then you get to this part.......
"Many developers dream of releasing their games on a Nintendo platform before they even think about putting it out on PC, simply because being able to develop for Nintendo is an honor."

And I'm sure some of it it is childhood stuff which sure fair enough, but what if your game was not chosen for an indie show case?


I'm just stopping this here since that article just threw me off track. Especially with how they focused more on Nintendo and not indie devs persay "it's Nintendo gameplay that will determine if indies will sell well", is what it sounded like it was saying.


As an example let's say 80 indie games released in 2022 and each one was sold for $12 (this is average the price of the game include how much it was discounted at and also regional pricing, and how some games are not just $20 but can also be $30 or more). Each of these indie games sells 80k copies (that is a lot for 80 indies games to accomplish but it can be done) but the big thing is that these 80k would have gone to switch but are now on Steam Deck. And with the 30% cut, that is $14 million USD that Nintendo lost out on. Maybe in reality Nintendo will lose less in a year and it will only be $4 million maybe it will be even higher and they will lose $20 million USD in potential sales.

some of the indie game sales that the Switch won't lose are physical only people but I think that's not a lot really, since you will still have a large portion that will buy the digital version if it's cheap.

fear my wall of text.



I added this because of more potential guest we might see here

 

[mastemas]

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Nintendo fan boys sure are something else....... Metroid can be emulated day 1..

(some stuff here)

fear my wall of text.

i am scared
i also have the best argumenet against emulation that exists in our modern age, whereas anyone who attempt defy these holy words will be met with lighting and thunder the world has never seen before
brace yourselves for the holiest argument against emulation;

i dont like it when the game screen tells me to press A but its not A on the keyboard

 

[Alexandros]

Once I started to game on Xbox I have been much better at concentrating on stuff I’m doing. When I game I game, and when I work I work. And not being able to alt tab and easily launching a game on the work computer has made me make a clear separation in my game mode and work mode.

I know it sounds a bit ridiculous but I think using MacOS will actually make me a bit more productive. Like there’s something about it that encourages you to create/ do something? Idk

For me it is definitely like that. Also it just the fact that I have to start a console and plug in a controller if I want to game that puts just enough friction that makes it easier to not impulse game.

Guys, whatever floats your boat is fine by me, do whatever makes you happy, but since you opened the discussion I really have to ask something. Isn't this way of thinking a bit, well, silly for an adult? I don't mean to offend and I apologize if I did, I am just completely baffled by this. I don't get it at all.

 

[PC-tan]

It will die very soon after Gabe leaves the world and it's sold to EA or MS or Tencent.

EA was trying to buy Steam way back in 2011/2012 from what I remember for $1 billion USD and that didn't happen.

MS was able to buy Zenimax for $7.5 billion USD and that was at the time the biggest video game acquisition to date. Is it safe to assume Valve would sell for over $10 billion USD?

As I have mentioned in the past if Valve did get sold or something there would be some big changes in the game industry and those would also be felt by others. You would likely also see more indie devs closing down. PS is trying to play with indies and that will have mixed results. You will have some smash hit indie games like Fall guys and other indie games that get talked about for a minute but the forgotten, with MS you will have indies on Gamepass and those will get talked about for maybe a bit longer and help with sales on other platforms. And with Nintendo it's mostly going to be Nindies highlight videos were the winners get chosen and the others have to fight among themselves. So overall indie sales may go down but those that get shown in the indie show case will be doing fine sales wise.

Will we see changes to Early Access? Or will some games just move to EGS and do that there? Since stock holders may want to get as much money out of every service that Valve offers. (this is assuming it's like an IPO thing and not that it gets sold to some other company and even they would change a lot of things as well.

Valve offers games, and even if they were working on releasing day 2 games or more a year you would not see them as heavily promoted as what the other 3 do on their web stores. The only thing that Valve does promote as of now is it's hardware since they have 2 dedicated spots on the Steam front page, but that doesn't also mean that that spot isn't also used to promote other games.

 

[Le Pertti]

Guys, whatever floats your boat is fine by me, do whatever makes you happy, but since you opened the discussion I really have to ask something. Isn't this way of thinking a bit, well, silly for an adult? I don't mean to offend and I apologize if I did, I am just completely baffled by this. I don't get it at all.

I don’t think so, it’s essentially priming which has shown to have positive results.

 

[QFNS]

Man isee why some people say that Kingmaker was TOO BIG of a game. I'm somewhere in Chapter 3(I think) and it's just a sprawling game with town management, CRPG questing, and a biiiig map you have to manually explore. Yikes. It is a lot.
Been fun so far but I'm starting to lean more heavily on a guide which is a bad sign for the game not telling me what I should be doing.

 

[Mivey]

I know it sounds a bit ridiculous but I think using MacOS will actually make me a bit more productive. Like there’s something about it that encourages you to create/ do something? Idk

I don't think this is such a strange thing to say, at least for you personally. Each OS has a different way it wants you to work and organise, and if you are used to a certain way of doing things, then sure, there's no reason to switch to something else.

That doesn't mean at all that someone can't be productive on Windows, of course not. I personally prefer using Linux, in particular with the Gnome DE. It has a simplicity and extendability that Windows completely lacks, and I clearly feel I'm way more productive on a Linux machine than I could ever be on Windows.

 

[Digoman]

fear my wall of text.

You are putting way more though/effort on this than any of the fanboys.

When you are too invested (in time and/or money) in a brand or system, anything that make it feel less special can be threat and must be attacked. This isn't about an analysis on what can or not impact sales. It's about other people having access to things you thought were exclusive to your "club", like playing Nintendo games or "big" games on the go in general.

It takes some.... maturity to try to see above your self interests and have a rational discussion about these things, and gamers in general aren't the most mature group around. Though to be fair these days being stupidly defensive is the default behavior of a lot of people.

At least this is how I see it.

As for myself, I had a Master System and Mega Drive (Genesis) as a child and was kind a 3dfx fanboy... so I learned the hard way to try to not be so defensive of brands

 

[NarohDethan]

I'd buy a Deck if Valve would let me.

Guys, whatever floats your boat is fine by me, do whatever makes you happy, but since you opened the discussion I really have to ask something. Isn't this way of thinking a bit, well, silly for an adult? I don't mean to offend and I apologize if I did, I am just completely baffled by this. I don't get it at all.

No offense taken. It's just the way my brain works I guess. I'm bad at multitasking, and get distracted too easily if there's a lot of stimulus (stimulii?) going on around me. I do love playing on my computer but it has always been a 'fractured experience' for me if that makes sense, because I'm constantly checking other stuff. With consoles, I can completely zone out and just concentrate on that. On consoles you're either using them or not. On a computer, I can stare at my game list for hours deciding what to play and then not play anything and start looking up random shit on Wikipedia or Youtube.

 

[Alexandros]

I don’t think so, it’s essentially priming which has shown to have positive results.

I'd buy a Deck if Valve would let me.



No offense taken. It's just the way my brain works I guess. I'm bad at multitasking, and get distracted too easily if there's a lot of stimulus (stimulii?) going on around me. I do love playing on my computer but it has always been a 'fractured experience' for me if that makes sense, because I'm constantly checking other stuff. With consoles, I can completely zone out and just concentrate on that. On consoles you're either using them or not. On a computer, I can stare at my game list for hours deciding what to play and then not play anything and start looking up random shit on Wikipedia or Youtube.

Thank you both for the replies, you helped me better understand something unfamiliar to me.

 

[Ex-User (119)]

may aswell do one last one.

skies of arcadia remaster is finished just waiting on announcement etc, has old and remastered soundtrack (can choose), graphics have been updated ( nothing too fancy better res and detail etc not remodeled). has all the content from legends, u can switch between gamecube and dreamcast battle encounter rate or a new battle encounter rate for remaster.


sucker punch is working on a star wars game, uses the fighting style from ghost of sushi for the lightsabers ( heavily influenced in fight style like was used in new hope film with obi wan and darth vader, not ott and fancy and flippy like newer star wars stuff for sabers. pretty early so far in dev.

minecraft + steamdeck = oooooooo

 

[PC-tan]

sucker punch is working on a star wars game, uses the fighting style from ghost of sushi for the lightsabers ( heavily influenced in fight style like was used in new hope film with obi wan and darth vader, not ott and fancy and flippy like newer star wars stuff for sabers. pretty early so far in dev.

minecraft + steamdeck = oooooooo

I have not played Ghost of Tsushima, but as far as lightsaber stuff I liked Jedi Fallen Order and also the Star Wars Unleashed stuff.


by the way this will suck, I mean with Spiderman I guess it makes sense because Sony does have some say and stuff but for an exclusive Star Wars game? And yes there is the Ayps game but that's also coming on PC at the same time.


i guess it will get released on PC 3 years after the PS5 version and it will eventually be $15 USD on PS5. And also Xbox does have the Indiana Jones games, so I guess Disney was okay with making exclusive deals.

 

[xxr]

Guys, whatever floats your boat is fine by me, do whatever makes you happy, but since you opened the discussion I really have to ask something. Isn't this way of thinking a bit, well, silly for an adult? I don't mean to offend and I apologize if I did, I am just completely baffled by this. I don't get it at all.

I definitely think it's something you can overcome, but I don't think it's silly at all. It is known that our brain work in odd ways, and we know our brain likes to categorize things. It's often recommended that you sleep in a room that is intended for sleep only, and study in an environment where your mind isn't distracted by hobbies, friends or such. Even if playing games is quite different to those, it's possible for people to just feel they need a special mood or focus in order to enjoy playing games.

 

[Alextended]

Guys, whatever floats your boat is fine by me, do whatever makes you happy, but since you opened the discussion I really have to ask something. Isn't this way of thinking a bit, well, silly for an adult? I don't mean to offend and I apologize if I did, I am just completely baffled by this. I don't get it at all.

Or maybe at least go to less drastic lengths than changing platforms. Like, I dunno, making a "work account" on your PC that doesn't have any of your games and procrastinating shortcuts/auto launches and what not, a similarly lean/focused "gaming" account and a "general" account for the rest usage scenarios. Disable user switching so you have to log off each, maybe give them different themes and also where applicable use a gamepad like you do on console. Just some small things that make it so you have to do something more involved than just slightly move your fingers to other keys to "alt tab" and such, I dunno

 

[fspm]

Once I started to game on Xbox I have been much better at concentrating on stuff I’m doing. When I game I game, and when I work I work. And not being able to alt tab and easily launching a game on the work computer has made me make a clear separation in my game mode and work mode.

Multitaskers. 3 monitors, 2 phones, a tablet. Always streaming and watching 3 streams, always twitting, always posting pics on fb and instagram, waging holy wars on multiple forums - all at the same time.

Frankly speaking they can't properly: work/play/eat/sleep/do anything.

 

[PC-tan]

October 25th is when that one very popular R18+ Early Access game will get its next big update.

 

[NarohDethan]

Multitaskers. 3 monitors, 2 phones, a tablet. Always streaming and watching 3 streams, always twitting, always posting pics on fb and instagram, waging holy wars on multiple forums - all at the same time.

Frankly speaking they can't properly: work/play/eat/sleep/do anything.

Calm down Sakurai

 

[PC-tan]

Reminder, MHR Steam demo goes live on Oct 14

 

[Kvik]

Multitaskers. 3 monitors, 2 phones, a tablet.

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Releasing this Saturday.

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To lead up to the release, we'd like to talk about the process in these last few months to get this release to be the polished version we will be releasing in one week.

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I can't even buy the game now since Sony closed the store.

 

[NarohDethan]

Or maybe at least go to less drastic lengths than changing platforms. Like, I dunno, making a "work account" on your PC that doesn't have any of your games and procrastinating shortcuts/auto launches and what not, a similarly lean/focused "gaming" account and a "general" account for the rest usage scenarios. Disable user switching so you have to log off each, maybe give them different themes and also where applicable use a gamepad like you do on console. Just some small things that make it so you have to do something more involved than just slightly move your fingers to other keys to "alt tab" and such, I dunno

It’s not ‘the process’ it’s ‘the trigger and the reward’

 

[prudis]

No offense taken. It's just the way my brain works I guess. I'm bad at multitasking, and get distracted too easily if there's a lot of stimulus (stimulii?) going on around me. I do love playing on my computer but it has always been a 'fractured experience' for me if that makes sense, because I'm constantly checking other stuff. With consoles, I can completely zone out and just concentrate on that. On consoles you're either using them or not. On a computer, I can stare at my game list for hours deciding what to play and then not play anything and start looking up random shit on Wikipedia or Youtube.

damn , that must be pretty annoying , thx god my fucked up brain can at least switch easilyly between work / entertainment / socialmedia and zone out easily no matter the device i use .... be it phone, pc laptop, conosole ,...
on other hand one thing my body strongly fight against is solo couchgaming as when i focus on the game by body is too agitated to really enjoy the comfort of the couch , but when i get supercomfortable on the couch it makes gaming too much of an effort activity and sleep, snuggl or just simple watch is easier... and so far i just havent found a midde ground to comfotably game like this
..

humans work weird ways i guess

 

[Le Pertti]

on other hand one thing my body strongly fight against is solo couchgaming as when i focus on the game by body is too agitated

That happens when I play liner games. For some reason I get super stressed out!

 

[prudis]

i guess my couch is too comfy to game in and my back is too fucky up to game in less comfy position ... so ultimately i do even the rare instances of console gming behind the desk

 

[LEANIJA]

I don't think this is such a strange thing to say, at least for you personally. Each OS has a different way it wants you to work and organise, and if you are used to a certain way of doing things, then sure, there's no reason to switch to something else.

That doesn't mean at all that someone can't be productive on Windows, of course not. I personally prefer using Linux, in particular with the Gnome DE. It has a simplicity and extendability that Windows completely lacks, and I clearly feel I'm way more productive on a Linux machine than I could ever be on Windows.

May you one day also see the light of KDE.
(jk obv)

 

[Gelf]

I rarely multitask in any game I play unless I really feel a great need to, even I get stuck somewhere I'd use my phone to look for guidance rather than tabbing out to a browser. Mind you I still have that anxiety that it's going to crash the game as used to be the case more often over a decade(or two) ago.

 

[Kyougar]

my psn account was hacked and the mailadress changed

got it back. checked if there were transactions or something, but nothing. Added 2-step verification and deleted the Paypal link (couldn't do it on PSN, got an error, had to do it on Paypal)
wanted to check my games but PSN has no games™
no, seriously, no games are in my library, mind you the last digital game I bought on PSN was persona 5 for the PS3, but there should be at least 10 games and a few P5 DLC, the only transaction history in the account setting I can see, are the P5 DLC from 2018, even if I go back to 2010.

Not that I would ever dust off my PS3 again, but it is strange nonetheless.
cuddles Steam You never disappoint me.

 

[sk2k]

What's up with Kena? Did it sold well on EGS? Nobody talks about the game in the PC gaming sphere.

 

[Ge0force]

What's up with Kena? Did it sold well on EGS? Nobody talks about the game in the PC gaming sphere.

 

[Mor]

What's up with Kena? Did it sold well on EGS? Nobody talks about the game in the PC gaming sphere.

Only tidbit of information we have about Kena's PC performance is EGS top 25 seller list, believe it or not, that's up to you but once again, the problem with EGS exclusives hit again, nobody is talking about it.

 

[Mivey]

What's up with Kena? Did it sold well on EGS? Nobody talks about the game in the PC gaming sphere.

It's almost as if having forums, reviews and other stuff (with all the issues it brings, like the need for moderation) is also helpful in making sure people know that a game actually exists.
It's almost funny how the moneyhatting probably hurts EGS itself more than anything else. If they had to compete on their own merits (regardless of how hard that might be) they would implement forums and wishlists and stuff on day one. because you absolutely need to if you want your platform to get any kind of traction. But since they believe exclusivity alone is enough, there is no actual incentive to improve anything about their store.

 

[dex3108]

Real question is will Epic release info graphics for this year like they did for previous two.

 

[Prodigy]

may aswell do one last one.

Sad to see you stepping back a bit. Wishing you every success in the new job.

BTW do we have a discord?

 

[fantomena]

Only tidbit of information we have about Kena's PC performance is EGS top 25 seller list, believe it or not, that's up to you but once again, the problem with EGS exclusives hit again, nobody is talking about it.

And due to the lack of community features, those who do play it on PC will have difficulties finding a place to talk about it. I mean, you have a subreddit and Discord, but Discords are closed off from the public, as in, you need to do some stuff to get access to it while Steams community features are open to public view. There's a reason some people use Steam forums for help with EGSxclusives.