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I could imagine they are going to build their own spidyverse and go from where far from home left us. With blackjack and venom instead of marvel.
Maybe go down Netflix style. Acknowledged and hint that there is more going on, without really saying anything.

But than again, Spiderman and ironman are entwined. One universe doesn't work without the other anymore.

But another reboot would be meh.

It's a mess. I also hope this isn't the end of them talking to each other.
 
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Does anyone know exactly what the terms for the Sony-Marvel Spidey rights are anyways? What triggers the rights returning to Marvel? If they don't make an explicitly Spidey movie starring a Peter Parker character?

Or can they use any related characters like Jessica Drew or Miguel O'Hara that use a "Spider" moniker to retain the rights?
It's not about being a benevolent benefactor, it's about Kevin Feige producing the last Spider-man film and making it the biggest success in Sony Pictures history. I find it perfectly logical for Marvel Studios to ask for a better deal after that. Yes, 50% might be too much but the article indicates that Sony didn't even try to negotiate. They wanted the original deal which is laughably bad for Disney (5%). Besides, Disney offered to co-finance the films and therefore assume a significant part of the risk.
Also just in the interest of correcting misinformation, this seems overblown, and one-sided. That wasresumably leaked by a Disney-side/related source to make them look better in the initial reports, when the truth is probably way more complicated.

Original claim in the Deadline article:

Sony turned that offer down flat, and I don’t believe they even came back to the table to figure out a compromise.
Which was changed now to :

Sources said that Sony, led by Tom Rothmana nd Tony Vinciquerra, came back with other configurations, but Disney didn’t want to do that.
 
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Isn't the work goes into public domain several decades after the creator's death? Tolkien's still hold LOTR by the balls.
That's why I'm asking.





What works have expired into the public domain?
  • All works published in the U.S. before 1923
  • All works published with a copyright notice from 1923 through 1963 without copyright renewal
  • All works published without a copyright notice from 1923 through 1977
  • All works published without a copyright notice from 1978 through March 1, 1989, and without subsequent registration within 5 years
Congress has passed a series of laws extending the term of copyright. Currently, the default term is life of the author plus 70 years. That means that most of the copyrighted works created from the late 1970s to the present may not become public domain during your lifetime.

In general, works published after 1977 will not fall into the public domain until 70 years after the death of author, or, for corporate works, anonymous works, or works for hire, 95 years from the date of publication or 120 years from the date of creation, whichever expires first.

It's easy to imagine that she is hinting at the copyright renewal and subsequent registrations thing. Mickey Mouse and co arrived in the late 1920s. Maybe Disney worked hard to make sure that Donald and Mickey never entered public domain and advocated to the U.S. congress at some point in time.

Spiderman was created before 1977, so no idea.... Maybe all Sony has to do is renew the copyright every five years. Just as Disney with Mickey or the Tolkin family with LOTR.
 
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Isn't the work goes into public domain several decades after the creator's death? Tolkien's still hold LOTR by the balls.
Mickey (as the most common example) should have been public domain twenty years ago.

The only reason public domain for these characters keep getting pushed back is Disney (and other mega-corps) lobbying for extensions every time the expiration is near.

January 2019 should have been the expiration for Spidey, but they got it extended again. As far as I understand it, copyright from the early 1900s through the late 70s was 28 years, plus one single 28 year extension, for a total of 56 years.

Doing the math, Spidey first appeared in Amazing Fantasy's August 1962 issue. 1962 + 56 = 2018. You enter public domain the next calendar year, boom 2019 should have been a public domain entrance for Spidey.

edit: the extensions were added in the late 70s and 90s gave everything 95 year terms, or life of the author plus 70.

edit2: Mickey is supposed to expire in 2024 or 25 I think, which means we're almost certainly going to get another extension. Which means we will almost certainly never see any of these characters in the public domain during our lifetimes.
 
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Mickey (as the most common example) should have been public domain twenty years ago.

The only reason public domain for these characters keep getting pushed back is Disney (and other mega-corps) lobbying for extensions every time the expiration is near.

January 2019 should have been the expiration for Spidey, but they got it extended again. As far as I understand it, copyright from the early 1900s through the late 70s was 28 years, plus one single 28 year extension, for a total of 56 years.

Doing the math, Spidey first appeared in Amazing Fantasy's August 1962 issue. 1962 + 56 = 2018. You enter public domain the next calendar year, boom 2019 should have been a public domain entrance for Spidey.

edit: the extensions were added in the late 70s and 90s gave everything 95 year terms, or life of the author plus 70.

edit2: Mickey is supposed to expire in 2024 or 25 I think, which means we're almost certainly going to get another extension. Which means we will almost certainly never see any of these characters in the public domain during our lifetimes.

I see.

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Man, I remember Black Knight from some very old comics that I had read. I can't wait to see the MCU interpretation! I am disappointed however that nothing regarding Namor was announced.
 
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Ah, Madden and Harrington being in the same film is an overdose of british woodeness, well, Dick can speak with his thick ass Scottish accent, it'll make it more tolerable (MUM).
 
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The shows I'm most interested in right now are Falcon and WS, Wandavision and Moon Knight. Falcon and Winter Soldier because these two had great chemistry in Civil War, Wandavision because it sounds completely crazy and Moon Knight because I read some things about the characters and he sounds fascinating.
 
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So when is the next MCU mainline movie? I need my MCU fix!:D
That would be Black Widow, May 1st 2020. Here's the rest:


It's a pretty big gap from Far From Home to Black Widow. Thankfully with the various series for Disney+ we'll never have such a big gap again.
 
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Yeah that's a huge gap!
My guess is that Feige thought audiences would need a breather after Endgame. Far From Home was the epilogue of the entire Infinity Saga, this gap is probably intended to give people a bit of rest before the next big phase begins.
 

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My guess is that Feige thought audiences would need a breather after Endgame. Far From Home was the epilogue of the entire Infinity Saga, this gap is probably intended to give people a bit of rest before the next big phase begins.
Yeah you are probably right, the gap is probably needed since going forward they are going to try and build something new.
 
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Is Black Widow a part of Phase Four or a prequel to Infinity Saga? I'm a bit confused, Eternals is most likely what's going to kick off a new Phase.
 
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Is Black Widow a part of Phase Four or a prequel to Infinity Saga? I'm a bit confused, Eternals is most likely what's going to kick off a new Phase.
It belongs to Phase 4 but it is a prequel. Eternals will likely be the same way since it is rumored to take place at least partly thousands of years ago. I think that both films will contain sequences that will push the timeline forward after Far From Home but Shang-Chi will most likely be the first Phase 4 film to take place enttirely in the MCU's post-Endgame timeline.
 
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It belongs to Phase 4 but it is a prequel.
Hm, so, they're going to rescue old timeline Gamorra and Natasha? Not that I didn't expect this development since nobody said that they're dead for good, but it would slightly cheapen the impact of IW/Endgame, so I hope they aren't taken this route.
 
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Hm, so, they're going to rescue old timeline Gamorra and Natasha? Not that I didn't expect this development since nobody said that they're dead for good, but it would slightly cheapen the impact of IW/Endgame, so I hope they aren't taken this route.
I think Natasha is dead for good, no time travel shenanigans to bring her back. Black Widow will probably work as a bridge between her and her successor (Yelena Belova). 2014 Gamora and 2012 Loki, yeah I am sure that those two characters will be around. I agree that it would have been best to let them rest in peace and just move on. Hopefully they'll handle these characters in such a way that makes clear they are not the same as their main timeline counterparts.
 
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Well, the case of some money vs no money. Outcome was probably inevitable.

Would've like to see Spiderman vs venom.
 
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You will, looking at the "cross cinematic universes" comment

No explicit confirmation but we'll see. Could be a win win. I'll confess, I had forgotten that I took the gf to see Far from home earlier this month lol. It's was that bland.
 
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No explicit confirmation but we'll see. Could be a win win. I'll confess, I had forgotten that I took the gf to see Far from home earlier this month lol. It's was that bland.
I mean,they're not going to drop news like that in a press release confirming his MCU appearances are safe. That would get its own release, even if it Venom and Spidey arent a lot like their comic equivalents at this point