|OT| The PC Hardware Thread -- Buy/Upgrade/Ask/Answer

[Durante]

I fully expect every tier to be RTX. (Well, maybe except business-only or very low-end stuff like MX)

Regarding DLSS, I don't see them splitting the user base in terms of game-facing implementation, as you say that makes no sense. Maybe something like games calling the same functionality and getting a "better" version of it (i.e. either faster or higher quality) on Ampere.

 

[Mivey]

I just hope DLSS becomes a much more common feature in games going forward. It's quite amazing in the handful of games that implement it so far.

 

[Durante]

Agreed - in Control (with all bells and whistles) I get ~40 FPS without DLSS, which isn't very nice to play IMHO in a aiming-heavy game with mouse/kb. With "Quality" DLSS I get ~70 FPS, and it plays very well.

The really interesting thing is that it doesn't even look categorically worse. Sure, a few specific IQ things are worse than native, but several others are also better than native.

 

[ISee]

I just hope DLSS becomes a much more common feature in games going forward. It's quite amazing in the handful of games that implement it so far.

Sponsored by AMD will be a curse next gen.

 

[SkyStarblaze]

Agreed - in Control (with all bells and whistles) I get ~40 FPS without DLSS, which isn't very nice to play IMHO in a aiming-heavy game with mouse/kb. With "Quality" DLSS I get ~70 FPS, and it plays very well.

The really interesting thing is that it doesn't even look categorically worse. Sure, a few specific IQ things are worse than native, but several others are also better than native.

I haven't seen DLSS with my own eyes yet but I assume the parts that are worse are effectively largely unnoticeable when actually playing and not looking for them?

 

[C-Dub]

I haven't seen DLSS with my own eyes yet but I assume the parts that are worse are effectively largely unnoticeable when actually playing and not looking for them?

From experience, correct. I'm not the most discerning player when it comes to graphics, but by and large I have been very satisfied with DLSS in motion.

 

[Durante]

I haven't seen DLSS with my own eyes yet but I assume the parts that are worse are effectively largely unnoticeable when actually playing and not looking for them?

There are some bugs in some implementations (like the black particles in DS) which are noticeable, but for the things I was talking about I think you have to be quite observant to notice them. (Things like moire patterns on specific high-frequency-detail surfaces)

 

[Li Kao]

So when is the Nvidia reveal ?

 

[curi0usBystander]

In about a little over 6hours (18h CET).

 

[Pogi]

The reveal is for the high-end cards only?

 

[Li Kao]

The reveal is for the high-end cards only?

Hopefully not.

 

[SkyStarblaze]

There are some bugs in some implementations (like the black particles in DS) which are noticeable, but for the things I was talking about I think you have to be quite observant to notice them. (Things like moire patterns on specific high-frequency-detail surfaces)

I see, that's good to hear, that means if DLSS (and any AMD equivalent) hopefully catches on for most games there should be no qualms using it. I'm actually getting excited getting a 4k screen in the future now

 

[Durante]

The reveal is for the high-end cards only?

The rumour is 3070-3090, and we've only seen partner card leaks for 80 and 90.
So yes, most likely.

 

[Joe Spangle]

Oh man, I feel like the 3090 is going to be really expensive.

 

[warp_]

the one leak/rumor said $1400

 

[Joe Spangle]

Im expecting it to be more to be honest.

 

[warp_]

any single pc part that costs four figures isn't something i'm buying so they can make it $3000 for as little as it'll affect me

 

[ISee]

Could be the first time we see some high quality CP2077 PC footage.

 

[Copons]

Following the leaks I've been seeing a lot of "slots" mentions.
E.g. 2.9-slot + 3x 8-pin


I'm clear about the 3x 8-pin (even though... YIKES! not that my PSU is enough to power these cards, but the PCI-E cable has 2x 6+2 connectors, so I reckon I'd need to use two cables for this card? ), but I can't quite understand what the 2.9 slot means.

Searching a bit, it kinda seems to refer to the thickness of the card.
Is it yet another number I need to start paying attention now?

 

[curi0usBystander]

Searching a bit, it kinda seems to refer to the thickness of the card.

Think of it this way, how many pci slots are blocket by your GPU.

 

[ISee]

Yeah, all third party 3090s seem to be about 3 slots thick, 29-30cm long and have three fans.

 

[Joe Spangle]

Its going to be a big boy thats for sure.

 

[curi0usBystander]

For reference (That's a 1070/1080), the middle one is 2 slots, the other are 3.

And in SLI you can see how they don't leave room to breath.

Note: I searched this one because I have one so I can confirm that they're gigantinc.

 

[Copons]

Think of it this way, how many pci slots are blocket by your GPU.

Cool, so it's literally the thickness!

Which means that on my board it would look something like this:

 

[curi0usBystander]

Cool, so it's literally the thickness!

Which means that on my board it would look something like this:

Yep.

 

[Shahem]

I wonder about new Ampere features, that and what improvements in ray tracing it could bring. I expect up to twice the perf.

 

[Durante]

The real question is whether Jensen will stream from his kitchen again.

 

[ISee]

But this time there is no oven. It's a 3090 heating those cookies.

 

[Mivey]

But this time there is no oven. It's a 3090 heating those cookies.

Giant 3-slot GPUs tend to run (relative to their wattage) really cool, in my opinion, so those would be some fairly uncooked cookies.
My Asus 2080-Ti has a 3 slot configuration, and that thing literally never goes above the mid 50 degrees celsius. My old 970 would have made for much better cooking tools

 

[ISee]

Depends on how far the power limit is able to go this time around.

 

[d00d3n]

Is there only a twitch stream this time around? Any youtube stream?

 

[Le Pertti]

Is there only a twitch stream this time around? Any youtube stream?

IGN has one!

 

[Arulan]

My new 4K display needs a GPU that can more than keep up. Give me that RTX 3090 and DLSS!

 

[Durante]

Oh wow it's the Nvidia Dawn demo.

 

[Arulan]

Kitchen confirmed!

 

[ISee]

I'm excited

 

[Durante]

I was actually looking at background removal without greenscreens just last week (for my online lectures). Everything that currently exists is either expensive, or sucks, or both. So this is nice.

 

[ISee]

Only thing that is missing is Jensen's kitchen as one of the premade backgrounds.

 

[Joe Spangle]

I know some of these words.

 

[Durante]

I was right

(on 2xFP32 superscalar CUDA cores)

 

[d00d3n]

New flagship GPU 3080?!?

 

[ISee]

That was 3080 performance?

 

[Durante]

The chart goes to 1400 USD. He'll talk about 3090 soon. And that will be its price.

 

[Pogi]

3070 for 499! LMAO I HAVE MY GPU, that's more than enough with my 1080p 144hz monitor playing XCOM2 and Parkitect.

 

[ScreamingTrees]

Wonder where to preorder in Europe. I've been stuck on a 1080ti for too long.

 

[Arulan]

Give it to me! RTX 3090!

 

[ISee]

I really like the presentation btw.
You feel how proud he is.

 

[Durante]

I was wrong, it's $1500

 

[Joe Spangle]

Whats that going to be in £ i wonder.

 

[ScreamingTrees]

any mention about HDMI 2.1 on 3070/80 ?