News Xbox Series X | S - launches November 10, 2020 (S - 299$ . X - 499$)

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It is probably the only weakness of Series S aside of raw power. I think those proprietary external SSD for series X should work on S as well.
How much is that, wtf is that called, "SSD memory card"??

If it worked with my existing external HDD, different story all together. It doesn't though.
 

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How much is that, wtf is that called, "SSD memory card"??

If it worked with my existing external HDD, different story all together. It doesn't though.
Yep, its proprietary and the price was not confirmed yet.
 

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Yep, its proprietary and the price was not confirmed yet.
Depending on the PS5 digital price.... could be serious issues value wise if your looking for 1tb or more of digital game space.

But XBSX-S has gamepass and PC crossplay, ,so the value could be there.
 
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Depending on the PS5 digital price.... could be serious issues value wise if your looking for 1tb or more of digital game space.

But XBSX-S has gamepass and PC crossplay, ,so the value could be there.
I agree. Cost down the road will be relatively bigger. But the entry price point is probably attractive to casuals and people who only play a few games and, like you said, mainly use it as a game pass machine.
 

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If I didn't have a gaming PC I might be all over the Series S, but not sure as I want a disc drive for my X360 games, still have my One X though.
 
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How much is that, wtf is that called, "SSD memory card"??

If it worked with my existing external HDD, different story all together. It doesn't though.
i think they've said you can use an external hdd for storage of next gen games but you'll need to do some swapping on to the ssd to get the new games to play. back compat games will play off the external hdd tho i believe?

also in theory the smart delivery system will make game downloads smaller as the system won't need 4k assets. i believe that's how it works now on the x1 and x1s.
 
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with the dimunitive size of this console, it only means that there are powerful enough cards that can fit ITX cases that allows only less than 200mm of GPU in length. HYPE!
 

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looking at the s again, it's too bad they didn't put in a disc drive cause that would make it the ultimate media center. 4k streaming apps, uhd movies, and the ability to stream/cast media to the movies & tv app if it works like the current xbox.
 

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Damn i think I will get in December. I will save up on canned food and put aside alittle and get it. 299€ should be manageable. That way at least I can play game pass games while I save for the gaming pc.
 

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249 in the uk so it might also be 249 euros too, dunno if there's a price listing for eu territories yet.
 

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ah okay. i never understand how these companies make the pricing decision for other countries so that's good to know.

fwiw there's also the all access option that includes two years of game pass ultimate and the console for a 0% interest monthly charge instead, assuming it is available in your country,
 

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ah okay. i never understand how these companies make the pricing decision for other countries so that's good to know.

fwiw there's also the all access option that includes two years of game pass ultimate and the console for a 0% interest monthly charge instead, assuming it is available in your country,
Yeah I'm very curious about that option! France should be a priority European country so I hope.
 

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supposedly it is expanding from three countries (usa, uk, aus) to 12 so fingers crossed
 
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I feel like at this price it could be really successful.

Would mean interesting things for the (GPU) performance baseline for this entire generation.
 
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game pass looking even better now. it applies for pc and console too.
 
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[UWSL]Learn about the tech behind the Xbox Series S, our smallest, sleekest Xbox ever. With higher framerates, faster load times, and richer, more dynamic worlds, Xbox Series S delivers next-gen performance and speed in a compact, all-digital form factor at a great price ($299 ERP). [/UWSL]


[UWSL]This holiday, get EA Play with Xbox Game Pass Ultimate and Xbox Game Pass for PC for no additional cost. [/UWSL]


[UWSL]Xbox Series X|S + 24 Months of Xbox Game Pass Ultimate, with over 100 high-quality games and an EA Play membership (coming Holiday 2020) [/UWSL]
 

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now the question is if i want to get the x day one? i guess it does kinda depend if i can sell the x1x before then heh
 

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game pass looking even better now. it applies for pc and console too.
Wow.

Incredible value. And just in time for the start of prime gaming seasons.
 
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Series S is truly tempting. If I recommend people (who don't play a lot), I would definitely recommend it over Series X or PS5.
 

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Microsoft going for the kill next gen.

A $299 console with EA games on Gamepass. Every FIFA player will be on XBox lol.
Three things

1. Less powerful overall, unknown if serve to make the XS a second or third "citizen" (in technical respects) device by 2023 or it sells well enough to make it the lowest common denominator and features like ray tracing become less common than they might have on consoles.

2. Lack of an optical drive makes it a less attractive position for true all in one media center/gaming "box" replacement. Of course, if you want that you spend the extra $$

3. Size of SSD

Overall, these are 'enthusiast' concerns and I can't see them affecting sales outside of the core 20%.

With gamepass, it has my attention and with my frugal ways, it has my focus as of right now.
 
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Three things

1. Less powerful overall, unknown if serve to make the XS a second or third "citizen" (in technical respects) device by 2023 or it sells well enough to make it the lowest common denominator and features like ray tracing become less common than they might have on consoles.

2. Lack of an optical drive makes it a less attractive position for true all in one media center/gaming "box" replacement. Of course, if you want that you spend the extra $$

3. Size of SSD

Overall, these are 'enthusiast' concerns and I can't see them affecting sales outside of the core 20%.

With gamepass, it has my attention and with my frugal ways, it has my focus as of right now.
When it comes to the average Joe who owns a console, those things don't really matter. I can't prove anything on power, but with the fact that digital share is still rising with no sign of slowing down, I don't think people care that much about optical drive. Do you know the attach rate of consoles? Even the PS4 only has less than 10 games per console. Most people don't actually hoard games, they only play a few games for the entire generation of console. Storage space wouldn't matter for these people.
 

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With all the talk about XSX running at 1440p, I wonder if they expect people to buy 1440p displays for their consoles.
Or stay on 1080p TVs.
 

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my guess is they are just pointing out it can do 1440 for the type of person who would care about that but expect most using it to be doing so on a 1080p tv
 

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Still wonder what a smaller price means for their performance in Europe saleswise. Even when the PS3 was at its most expensive I know more people opting for Playstation because.

Anyway, can see myself getting a Series S down the line for backwards compatability.
 

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When it comes to the average Joe who owns a console, those things don't really matter. I can't prove anything on power, but with the fact that digital share is still rising with no sign of slowing down, I don't think people care that much about optical drive. Do you know the attach rate of consoles? Even the PS4 only has less than 10 games per console. Most people don't actually hoard games, they only play a few games for the entire generation of console. Storage space wouldn't matter for these people.
I agree. I could consider myself an enthusiast as far as the time spent playing and my collection but I'm not in 'enthusiast hardware' group for sure.

Huge get for the X-S is that the CPU is the same as the XX. I know from experience that you can usually turn down graphics settings/resolution but there is no getting around lack of CPU grunt/system memory space.

(would an overclocked xbox x be a 'Xtreme Xbox X' something I could say is an 'XXX' console??)

With all the talk about XSX running at 1440p, I wonder if they expect people to buy 1440p displays for their consoles.
Or stay on 1080p TVs.
I believe they said they are using an up-scaling process to bring the 1440P to 4k. I'm sure other people will just keep their 1080p displays. I'll be holding on to my 1080p displays for at least the next three years myself.
 

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so $35 a month for 24 months is $840. game pass ultimate is $15 a month for 24 months, that's $360. that would make the console $480....so you actually save $20 by going with the all access plan? interesting.

using that same math for the series s: $25 a month f0r 24 months is $600. game pass ultimate is still $360. so that would make the series s $240, $60 savings over buying outright!
 
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so $35 a month for 24 months is $840. game pass ultimate is $15 a month for 24 months, that's $360. that would make the console $480....so you actually save $20 by going with the all access plan? interesting.
I'll ask you bc you seem to have the best handle on this whole "consoles + gamepass + XBL" deal....

Do you return the console after 24 months?? Or does the cost of the console get removed from the sub or is the 'loan' over and you now own the console and need to re sub to xbl and GP?
 

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after 24 months the console is yours, but you will need to resub to xbl or game pass on your own if you want to keep using those services. you could also pay off the loan earlier if you want but once it is paid you owe them nothing and aren't required to continue subscribing.

there is curently some kind of "upgrade from xbox one to xbox series x" clause for people still on their all access plan but i don't actually know how that works.
 

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after 24 months the console is yours, but you will need to resub to xbl or game pass on your own if you want to keep using those services. you could also pay off the loan earlier if you want but once it is paid you owe them nothing and aren't required to continue subscribing.

there is curently some kind of "upgrade from xbox one to xbox series x" clause for people still on their all access plan but i don't actually know how that works.
So 100% M$ copied the cellphone financing plan.

Not sure about how many Xboxs will he, kept to the side, by M$ for this program. Supplies will be tight, especially on the X-S, the rest of this year.

M$ is putting the $$ in Service for sure, and I'm liking it. Ownership of anything but your thoughts is essentially dead as in practice so I embrace the service future.
 
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i wouldn't be surprised to see that the first run of consoles are for direct purchasing only and all access doesn't kick in til next year. curious what their plans are for that setup right now.
 

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ololol, I guess I should thank Microsoft for boosting the value of used Xbox One X's by releasing this new Shit series with 3/4 the power of the One X.
 

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the tf measurement is not really comparable between generations. the series s has the same cpu as the series x, just less ram and gpu. the series s is definitely more powerful than any xbox one model.
 

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If anywhere near me has a decent trade in deal for the series X I might get one. I'm mostly planning to upgrade PC this year and I've been saving for that. I'll see what money I have left.
 

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For what it's worth, Microsoft are saying the Series S is scalable to Series X where possible, and matching it where it isn't.

TFlops don't tell the whole story. Maybe we should wait for the system to come out before making absolute statements.
 
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i did find this chart comparing the various stats of current and next gen xbox specs



might need someone with more tech knowledge breakdown the gpu differences for next vs current gen but it does seem that the xss can outperform the xbox one at the resolutions it runs at. would the xss gpu be something like an 5500xt?
 

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Xbox will probably my console of choice next gen. We got hit with a tax recently on PlayStation digital service, which in top of that, the prices are in USD. Which, makes everything way too fucking expensive. So yeah, no.
 

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i did find this chart comparing the various stats of current and next gen xbox specs



might need someone with more tech knowledge breakdown the gpu differences for next vs current gen but it does seem that the xss can outperform the xbox one at the resolutions it runs at. would the xss gpu be something like an 5500xt?
Looks like my One X can outperform the SS, at least thats how I'm reading it.
 

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Looks like my One X can outperform the SS, at least thats how I'm reading it.
the cpu is certainly better in the ss, one x does have 1 gb more game usable ram (assuming that 2gb in ss is for os) but slower storage by a lot. i don't know enough about the gpu tech to know what the story is between rdna2 and the old tech to judge there but i don't imagine it's worse than something from 2017. polaris is rx500 gpu and rdna2 would be like 5500/5600? would need someone with more knowlege on gpu tech to say though.

it doesn't really seem like a 1 to 1 "this is better" for the one x to me, especially with ss being able to do 120fps.

either way i'm not sure who would upgrade from the one x to ss and it won't much matter considering the cross gen games are more limited than ms seemed to imply at first.
 
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The Series S would have been a fantastic BC - game pass device if it also had disc drive as there are still some X360 games like the Forza Motorsport games that did not receive BC treatment on Xbox One/X.

However Im not interested in a Series X as I just play MS games on PC, so until further notice I will just keep using my One X for BC with my 360 games and game pass console exclusive games (like Kingdom Hearts, it's on console game pass, but not on PC at all).