Community MetaSteam | January 2019 - Steaming along through Epic storms

[Wok]

I was looking for a game similar to Slay the Spire. I found this:


I stumbled upon the following game by looking for a game similar to Artifact. Weird stuff happen.

 

[Exzyleph]

Do you have this image at hand? I can't seem to be able to download it through the emoji

It's set via CSS, that's why you cannot just save it.

If you right-click on the image, select 'Inspect' (in Chrome), and then open the "Computed" tab in the developer tools, then you can see the URL under the 'background-image' property.

 

[Gevin]

It's set via CSS, that's why you cannot just save it.

If you right-click on the image, select 'Inspect' (in Chrome), and then open the "Computed" tab in the developer tools, then you can see the URL under the 'background-image' property.

Thanks! Doesn't give the exact image but it's close enough for my needs

 

[Wok]

The PC Gaming GOTY for ResetEra is being disclosed now.

So far, Subnautica #10 (similar rank as in our ranking), Pillars #9 (robbed!), Dragon Quest #8 (similar), Celeste #7 (same).

 

[lashman]

The PC Gaming GOTY for ResetEra is being disclosed now.

So far, Subnautica #10 (similar rank as in our ranking), Pillars #9 (robbed!), Dragon Quest #8 (similar), Celeste #7 (same).

so ... what you're saying is: our awards are better?

 

[Wok]

Alright, so we have more or less the same ranking for the top 10, except that:

• the order is slightly different (Pillars ),
• Into the Breach made it #3 on Era and not in the top 10 here,
• Gris made it #8 here and not in the top 10 of Era.

so ... what you're saying is: our awards are better?

I'm sure Uzzy is going to write recommendations for our OT now. He is the #1 supporter of Gris.

 

[lashman]

Alright, so we have more or less the same ranking for the top 10, except that:

• the order is slightly different (Pillars ),
• Into the Breach made it #2 on Era and not on the top 10 here,
• Gris made it #8 here and not on the top 10 of Era.

pretty consistent then (for the most part) .... that's good, no?

 

[Wok]

pretty consistent then (for the most part) .... that's good, no?

Given the overlap between the communities, yes.

 

[Deleted member 113]

so ... what you're saying is: our awards are better?

If he isn't saying, I will.

HITMAN 2 + Pillars 2 tied for number one makes our awards the bestest of the best.

 

[Digoman]

If he isn't saying, I will.

HITMAN 2 + Pillars 2 tied for number one makes our awards the bestest of the best.

I actually prefer the order of the games here, but we didn't have any last minute drama of wrong count to spice things up

 

[Deleted member 113]

I actually prefer the order of the games here, but we didn't have any last minute drama of wrong count to spice things up

So, you are saying not only are our awards the bestest of the very bestie best, but we are also better at math!

 

[Ex-User (119)]

Resident evil 2 remake is sooo dam good.

My reshade also is making me have more heart attacks with game than i should do

 

[Digoman]

So, you are saying not only are our awards the bestest of the very bestie best, but we are also better at math!

Math is dull! Mistakes are exciting!!

Resident evil 2 remake is sooo dam good.

My reshade also is making me have more heart attacks with game than i should do

I have only played a couple of hours of it so far, but yes, it does appear to be very good. Still don't know if like or not some throwbacks like very limited inventory space, but overall I'm really enjoying it.

 

[crimsonheadGCN]

I'm not if I should get Resident Evil 2 now or get Resident Evil 7 while it's on sale and play through it.

 

[lashman]

I'm not if I should get Resident Evil 2 now or get Resident Evil 7 while it's on sale and play through it.

they're both VERY different games ... so it's up to you really

but they're both awesome, so you can't go wrong no matter which one you choose

 

[Wok]

I have tried to increase the amount of data used by my algorithm to retrieve similar games. At first, I was only using the game descriptions.

I have added the text below the banner of the game:

If I take into account the user-defined tags (to learn what they mean, not just as data), then the results sometimes look absurd. I believe these tags are too noisy and unreliable to learn what an "Adventure" game is.

If I add the categories, the results are a bit different, but still relevant. I am still undecided whether it is an actual improvement. More soon.

 

[Ascheroth]

 

[suiko]

beautiful! and terrifying

 

[Alexandros]

Non of the NBA Jam games are available digitally on PC or Steam. as is you're best option is NBA Underground I guess.

As it turns out, NBA Jam On Fire Edition runs perfectly on RPCS3, I just tested it on my PC. So that's a great option, provided that I can buy a copy of the game somehow.

 

[Durante]

I have tried to increase the amount of data used by my algorithm to retrieve similar games. At first, I was only using the game descriptions.

I have added the text below the banner of the game:

If I take into account the user-defined tags (to learn what they mean, not just as data), then the results sometimes look absurd. I believe these tags are too noisy and unreliable to learn what an "Adventure" game is.

If I add the categories, the results are a bit different, but still relevant. I am still undecided whether it is an actual improvement. More soon.

Have you considered whitelisting specific tags? (Or blacklisting others)
E.g. basically random stuff is tagged "adventure" or "action" -- or at least those are too generic to provide much differentiation -- but other tags could be relevant.

 

[Tizoc]

I should check to see if I can set Onimusha res. to 1440x1080 in 4:3 Those black bars are silly :V

 

[Deleted member 113]

On my first try.

 

[Tizoc]

On my first try.

Congrats~

 

[Deleted member 113]

Congrats~

Just messing with you.

Now, I just have to find time to complete the remaining 6 challenges from this seasonal challenge.
And finish the new elusive target (I only completed the Mumbai mission today, so I still have two more chapter to go, before I reach the map of the elusive target).

 

[Wok]

Have you considered whitelisting specific tags? (Or blacklisting others)
E.g. basically random stuff is tagged "adventure" or "action" -- or at least those are too generic to provide much differentiation -- but other tags could be relevant.

Thanks. I have not tried yet. This could help because the data would be "cleaner".
I need to think about it a bit more as I am not sure about what is happening with the tags.

Edit: It seems I was mistaken and Steam API won't provide user-defined tags. It only provides the genre, which is very broad (there is no card game for instance, it is in the strategy genre with Civilization) and not very useful. One would have to parse the HTML page to get the tags.

 

[Wok]

So far, the best results are obtained when relying only on the descriptions of games (and "cleaning" the text as best as possible from HTML tags and stop words). The best improvements come from making sure that data is reliable. Maybe I don't need to try to feed more data in weird ways (I was trying to follow this blog post, but I believe there are some mistakes in there, I don't trust the hack described at the end, there are too many problems in the way it is presented compared to other online sources).

Query appID: 583950 (Artifact)
Top similar games:
1) similarity: 95.5% ; appID: 583950 (Artifact)
2) similarity: 59.2% ; appID: 878940 (Collective: the Community Created Card Game)
3) similarity: 56.8% ; appID: 410380 (HEX: Shards of Fate)
4) similarity: 56.0% ; appID: 504620 (Grid Legion, Storm)
5) similarity: 55.8% ; appID: 922080 (Shards the Deckbuilder)
6) similarity: 55.7% ; appID: 687280 (HumanKind: The Awakening)
7) similarity: 55.4% ; appID: 320430 (Ascension: Deckbuilding Game)
8) similarity: 55.2% ; appID: 97330 (Magic: The Gathering - Duels of the Planeswalkers 2013)
9) similarity: 54.8% ; appID: 257730 (Infinity Wars: Animated Trading Card Game)
10) similarity: 53.6% ; appID: 958750 (Re-O-Ri)

Query appID: 504230 (Celeste)
Top similar games:
1) similarity: 93.9% ; appID: 504230 (Celeste)
2) similarity: 51.6% ; appID: 252630 (Eldritch)
3) similarity: 49.8% ; appID: 485120 (Frog Climbers)
4) similarity: 48.6% ; appID: 910650 (Thy Knights Of Climbalot)
5) similarity: 48.5% ; appID: 849690 (Ghost Mountain Roller Coaster)
6) similarity: 48.1% ; appID: 382560 (Hot Lava)
7) similarity: 48.0% ; appID: 814380 (Sekiro™: Shadows Die Twice)
8) similarity: 47.9% ; appID: 697910 (Temple Raid VR)
9) similarity: 47.7% ; appID: 936740 (Orogenesis)
10) similarity: 47.4% ; appID: 526470 (Deep Below)

Query appID: 863550 (HITMAN™ 2)
Top similar games:
1) similarity: 95.2% ; appID: 863550 (HITMAN™ 2)
2) similarity: 55.9% ; appID: 382940 (HITMAN™)
3) similarity: 54.4% ; appID: 236870 (HITMAN™)
4) similarity: 53.0% ; appID: 6850 (Hitman 2: Silent Assassin)
5) similarity: 52.1% ; appID: 488823 (Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six® Siege)
6) similarity: 51.9% ; appID: 203140 (Hitman: Absolution™)
7) similarity: 51.5% ; appID: 592390 (Radline: Quarantine)
8) similarity: 50.7% ; appID: 488824 (Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six® Siege)
9) similarity: 50.0% ; appID: 650120 (Shots Fired)
10) similarity: 49.5% ; appID: 488821 (Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six® Siege)

Query appID: 620 (Portal 2)
Top similar games:
1) similarity: 94.3% ; appID: 659 (Portal 2)
2) similarity: 94.0% ; appID: 620 (Portal 2)
3) similarity: 49.9% ; appID: 820600 (ReThink | Evolved 2)
4) similarity: 49.7% ; appID: 3270 (Painkiller Overdose)
5) similarity: 49.0% ; appID: 400 (Portal)
6) similarity: 48.7% ; appID: 104600 (Portal 2 - The Final Hours)
7) similarity: 48.3% ; appID: 247120 (Portal 2 Sixense Perceptual Pack)
8) similarity: 47.7% ; appID: 785920 (Madness of the Architect)
9) similarity: 47.3% ; appID: 831560 (WARRIORS OROCHI 4 - 無双OROCHI３)
10) similarity: 47.2% ; appID: 13210 (Unreal Tournament 3 Black)

Query appID: 646570 (Slay the Spire)
Top similar games:
1) similarity: 93.4% ; appID: 646570 (Slay the Spire)
2) similarity: 61.3% ; appID: 1016730 (Deck of Ashes)
3) similarity: 61.3% ; appID: 367820 (Decromancer)
4) similarity: 60.4% ; appID: 856990 (A Long Way Down)
5) similarity: 57.9% ; appID: 948350 (Royal Booty Quest)
6) similarity: 57.5% ; appID: 266510 (Hand of Fate)
7) similarity: 56.7% ; appID: 557410 (Dream Quest)
8) similarity: 56.4% ; appID: 361130 (Card Dungeon)
9) similarity: 56.1% ; appID: 496620 (Monster Slayers)
10) similarity: 56.0% ; appID: 739050 (Deck Casters)

Query appID: 364470 (The Elder Scrolls®: Legends™)
Top similar games:
1) similarity: 94.7% ; appID: 364470 (The Elder Scrolls®: Legends™)
2) similarity: 60.1% ; appID: 739050 (Deck Casters)
3) similarity: 59.2% ; appID: 232450 (SolForge)
4) similarity: 59.2% ; appID: 291410 (Duelyst)
5) similarity: 59.1% ; appID: 676490 (Heroes of Civilizations)
6) similarity: 57.8% ; appID: 201210 (Pox Nora)
7) similarity: 57.8% ; appID: 438920 (Legends of Callasia)
8) similarity: 57.7% ; appID: 858860 (Tabletop Gods)
9) similarity: 57.5% ; appID: 841260 (FINAL MATCH)
10) similarity: 57.1% ; appID: 410380 (HEX: Shards of Fate)

If you have any suggestion for a game to try, feel free to post it. We will see whether the results are relevant.

 

[lashman]

Query appID: 620 (Portal 2)
Top similar games:
1) similarity: 94.3% ; appID: 659 (Portal 2)
2) similarity: 94.0% ; appID: 620 (Portal 2)

huge if true

 

[suiko]

Wok Painkiller Overdose being 4th position in Portal 2 list kinda shows it's not working more or less fully

Frog Climbers in Celeste's list also seems odd, especially that high

 

[Ex-User (307)]

Have you considered whitelisting specific tags? (Or blacklisting others)
E.g. basically random stuff is tagged "adventure" or "action" -- or at least those are too generic to provide much differentiation -- but other tags could be relevant.

There are a ton of tags that end up like this. My constant complaint is how people tag everything as "Simulation," without a real useful demarcation into where that category ends. I get why Farming Simulator 19 and Ace Combat 7 might both be marked "Simulation," but that isn't really a useful category once you have two such wildly different games in it.

The other notable offender is of course "psychological horror," which gets slapped onto everything as a joke.

I wonder how many tags you'd have to potentially blacklist to get quality categorization.

 

[OSatan]

If you have any suggestion for a game to try, feel free to post it. We will see whether the results are relevant.

Try Let It Die, that game freetoplay tag messes hard with the recommendations.

 

[Wok]

Wok Painkiller Overdose being 4th position in Portal 2 list kinda shows it's not working more or less fully

Frog Climbers in Celeste's list also seems odd, especially that high

True.

For Frog Climbers vs. Celeste though, both games are about climbing mountains and use this vocabulary (rock, clilmbing, mountain) a lot in their description, I imagine it is a rare vocabulary in game descriptions, and that could be driving the similarity between the two games up.

That is a limit of the method, and that is where tags could help ensure that the gameplay is really similar, either during the learning step, or as filtering afterwards, e.g. show all the games similar to Celeste and which are only single-player games.

Climb mountains. Beat your friends. Be a douchefrog!

There’s only room for one frog at the top!

Frog Climbers is a party game where you and friends play as rock climbing frogs wrestling up mountains, using all of the tricks in the book to reach the top first.

Be a douchefrog! Grab onto your opponent and use them as a ladderstep on your way to glory! Everything is allowed in love and … uh … climbing!

• Climb grips, dangle from dangerous vines and throw yourself from spinning wheels in over 260 mountain combinations.
• Play with up to three friends or alone! Local support for 1-4 players
• Customize your climbing with 4 game modifiers that alters the rules of play
• Pick your favorite frog out of 5 available amphibians
• Alone? No worries! Compete with the world in daily speedruns

But wait, there's more!

Alone? No worries! Compete with the world in daily speedruns. Each day, there is a new mountain. Your journey to the summit will be timed. Beat your friends and enemies!

Help Madeline survive her inner demons on her journey to the top of Celeste Mountain, in this super-tight platformer from the creators of TowerFall. Brave hundreds of hand-crafted challenges, uncover devious secrets, and piece together the mystery of the mountain.

• A narrative-driven, single-player adventure like mom used to make, with a charming cast of characters and a touching story of self-discovery
• A massive mountain teeming with 700+ screens of hardcore platforming challenges and devious secrets
• Brutal B-side chapters to unlock, built for only the bravest mountaineers
• IGF “Excellence in Audio” finalist, with over 2 hours of original music led by dazzling live piano and catchy synth beats
• Pie

The controls are simple and accessible - simply jump, air-dash, and climb - but with layers of expressive depth to master, where every death is a lesson. Lightning-fast respawns keep you climbing as you uncover the mysteries of the mountain and brave its many perils.

This is it, Madeline. Just breathe. You can do this.

For Portal 2 vs. Painkiller, it might be the "award-winning" "innovative" formula, with "new characters" and the emphasis on the multiplayer aspect of the game. I don't know, that is a weird match.

Try Let It Die, that game freetoplay tag messes hard with the recommendations.

I get lots of games about towers. That is disappointing.


If I go for a different model, for which the sequence of words does not matter, I get games with samurais.

Query appID: 794600 (LET IT DIE)
Top similar games:
1) similarity: 91.5% ; appID: 794600 (LET IT DIE)
2) similarity: 51.5% ; appID: 486380 (Shigatari)
3) similarity: 50.8% ; appID: 688500 (Rise of One)
4) similarity: 50.3% ; appID: 485510 (Nioh: Complete Edition / 仁王 Complete Edition)

The nice thing with LET IT DIE is that the description is long, so it should be possible to get better results.

 

[lashman]

good news, everyone!

RE7 is finally free of the infestation!

 

[suiko]

good news indeed

 

[lashman]

good news indeed

you know it!

i wish publishers would give up on using that pile of crap already ... it's not like it's doing anything any more ... especially lately

 

[Tizoc]

Jiren, Videl, SSB Gogeta and Super Broly are in DBFZ Season 2.

 

[suiko]

yeah, it's interesting that pubs still pay for DRM that does nothing else only annoys people buying games. They can't be not aware, can they?

 

[lashman]

yeah, it's interesting that pubs still pay for DRM that does nothing else only annoys people buying games. They can't be not aware, can they?

of course they know ... they just don't care

 

[「Echo」]

good news, everyone!

RE7 is finally free of the infestation!

This is legit great and I wish more companies would follow suit after a while. Like once the DRM is broken, the only real people being punished further are the actual paying customers.

 

[lashman]

This is legit great and I wish more companies would follow suit after a while. Like once the DRM is broken, the only real people being punished further are the actual paying customers.

yeah, same

unfortunately that won't happen wish it did, though

 

[Le Pertti]

Ah finally have Yakuza 0! Used the "I want to cancel humble monthly" to get 3 dollars off. Though I noticed that humble monthly has started doing a 1€ fee, how long have they done that?

 

[prudis]

 

[suiko]

Woody got so old! I barely can recognize him

 

[lashman]

Tizoc has abandoned us ... no monthly thread for us

 

[Le Pertti]

Do we have a title for next month?

Maybe "Double the GOTY double the fun!"?

 

[Tizoc]

Tizoc has abandoned us ... no monthly thread for us

I already wrote before that I wouldn't post monthly highlight threads on here :V
Aside from annual and maybe January threads at least.

 

[lashman]

I already wrote before that I wouldn't post monthly highlight threads on here :V
Aside from annual and maybe January threads at least.

 

[--------]

Tried to play some more of RE7 but I think fpp horror games just aren't for me (way too scary lol). The RE2 demo, on the other hand, was quite enjoyable.

 

[lashman]

Tried to play some more of RE7 but I think fpp horror games just aren't for me (way too scary lol). The RE2 demo, on the other hand, was quite enjoyable.

i'm too much of a chicken for both ; _ ;

(i did finish RE7, though ... oddly enough)

 

[ramoisdead]

you know it!

i wish publishers would give up on using that pile of crap already ... it's not like it's doing anything any more ... especially lately

I wish Sega would get rid of Denuvo for their older titles especially the ones that cost $20...I mean, Denuvo implementation for a $20 game was dumb enough as is.

 

[Tizoc]

I wish Sega would get rid of Denuvo for their older titles especially the ones that cost $20...I mean, Denuvo implementation for a $20 game was dumb enough as is.

oNLY A matter of time before Sonic Mania loses Denuvo, then its sales will spike.