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tim being the one to start this really is a nugget of poop on a potentially lovely ice cream sundae. it feels like a "fuck them both" situation but it'd be much better for everyone if apple lost in court heh.
I mean fill the lawsuit and whatever you want but using your children fans to push your agenda is kinda ugly, whatever the reason.
apple and google (as well as sony/ms/nintendo) are the sole operators of all monetary transactions on their devices and only suppliers of digitial goods and subscriptions.
it's exactly the thing tim was doomsaying ms was going to do to pc with the ms store...and it does seem it's what tim wants now for pc via his own store but again, that's why it's shitty that epic is the one to potentially kick this off.
it's exactly the thing tim was doomsaying ms was going to do to pc with the ms store...and it does seem it's what tim wants now for pc via his own store but again, that's why it's shitty that epic is the one to potentially kick this off.
Too bad Schreier isn't here, I wanna ask him in what they it's benefitial to gamers? He also probably thinks that $70 dollars is a fair price and that regional pricing shouldn't exist.
Weaponizing people to fight corporate battles is some next level dystopian shit. Capitalism endgame at it's best.
Is Jason "Billionaires shouldn't exist" Schreier saying that money will trickle down?
MS isn't gonna do that. Google could but I'm not really sure if that breaks the PlayStore ToS.
Anyway now I want to see how this develops, but it's all so weird,
it baffles me how a person as intelligent as Jason can’t see this straight
On the contrary, I think he understands everything perfectly fine, he just being a stand up guy for his dev pals (not that it's a bad thing in itself, it just at our expense).
He can. He just has a motivation not to admit to a viewpoint which does not promote the moneyhatting of developpers - his friends - for the benefit of being sold on a platform. You can see the prior tone of his relationship with people with whom he should have had a professional distance with his spat involving Barlog and Druckmann. The boundary between them should have been a lot further than it appeared to be.
The whole thing has been about making divas out of a few winners at the expense of everyone else, balkanizing the platform in the process.
When you clearly have the money to hire Ridley Scot to recreate his 1984 commercial for the Apple II, but don't have the class
Literal tears from laughter atm.
Exactly.
Epic Wants a Mobile Version of Its Games Store on Android, iOS
CEO Tim Sweeney sees it as helping the games industry and offering an alternative ecosystem for mobile games.
Jason defends all the devs, unless it's Valve and their company wide trips, in which case fuck the devs.
But yeah, not really related, but I kinda weird out by the fact that the only "investigative journalist" in gaming doesn't pursue potentially huge news like Sony, MS and Nintendo possibly manufacturing their consoles using a slave labour from Xinjiang.
But yeah, not really related, but I kinda weird out by the fact that the only "investigative journalist" in gaming doesn't pursue potentially huge news like Sony, MS and Nintendo possibly manufacturing their consoles using a slave labour from Xinjiang.
good, let him. let valve have theirs back on ios too. let ms run their game service on ios too.Exactly.
Epic Wants a Mobile Version of Its Games Store on Android, iOS
CEO Tim Sweeney sees it as helping the games industry and offering an alternative ecosystem for mobile games.www.pcmag.com
tired of everything being locked up because the company you bought a phone from has a shittier version of the service you'd prefer to use.
It would be fair if Epic would be interested to sell Fortnite on the apple store and their own epic apple store. But may I all remind you of the EGS and that Tim isn't interested in fairness or open systems. He is only interested in being the next big thing and building a monopoly for himself.
All I see here is two multi billion cooperations fighting for the right to dictate, and not brave Epic fighting for anything costumer related.
All I see here is two multi billion cooperations fighting for the right to dictate, and not brave Epic fighting for anything costumer related.
So, Epic lawsuit against Apple, think they'll fall on their face? That seems pretty definite, who's gonna rule against Apple (and will Apple pull the spin that they're all American while Epic is heavily Chinese owned, I guess it depends on the timing of the trials if it gets there and the climate then)? Plus they're in the right. Epic enabled direct payments in Fortnite on the app store circumventing the 30% fee Apple gets and clearly did so deliberately, against the rules they knew are in place, just to set all this in motion (pretending they're fighting for no fee for everybody when they'd obviously happily accept being the exception to the rule, which Apple didn't fall for granting as more companies would then ask the same). Idk. Maybe they have a case on Apple cos Apple doesn't allow installing apps outside the store, it's the only way, unlike Android where sure, you pay fees in the play store, but you can also just release the game on your site or wherever, even make your own store, and pay no fees (and they still wanted special treatment to actually be on the play store and pay no fees). So it's gonna be a monopoly case deal but then Apple has a case in that they don't have a monopoly in say, phones, tablets, etc, just a decent chunk of the market. And even if Epic wins the solution could be that Apple also allows installing apps outside the store, rather than force them to have no fees on the App Store. Epic wouldn't be happy with that, just as they wanted other things on Android (and it will probably take ages for most consumers to start installing stuff from other sources).
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I lost the last grain of respect for Jason after reading his tweet that revenue split is more important than the experience for us as consumers.
For me, playing egs games feel like playing pirated games. No achievements, no cloud save, no overlay, no guides etc.
Also, the propaganda that can be distributed via Fortnite is fucking scary, man.
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Fortnite is going to take a massive hit in revenue this year if this isn't sorted out.
As I understand, please correct me if I'm wrong, they have no basis to sue Google because apps can be installed outside of the Play Store on Android.
there's also an epic store app on android and you can install/play it from there.
nope, they just lowered the prices there ... but still have to give MS/Sony the 30%
Challenging Apple is a good thing but I just don't have it in me to root for Epic lol. Hopefully, they'll both waste each other's time and money.
Hell, Epic should dig into their exclusive deal funds to finance their lawsuit! This is clearly more important than silly videogames.
Hell, Epic should dig into their exclusive deal funds to finance their lawsuit! This is clearly more important than silly videogames.
Jason is sucking up to the people that give him scoops. It's like asking why PC Gamer frames all of this as a win for Epic.
I have to say, their Fortnite revenue taking a nosedive means they have less money to waste on Exclusivity bullshit which is good news in my book.
I don't like those walled gardens but seeing Epic taken down a peg after Sweeney's hypocritical grandstanding is unfortunately enjoyable
I don't like those walled gardens but seeing Epic taken down a peg after Sweeney's hypocritical grandstanding is unfortunately enjoyable
Personally I’m not looking forward to enter my payment details for every single dev/publisher lol
Expected and Epic has a lawsuit ready to go.
The only problem is what kind of 1984 video they made for google.... A robot with a google symbol? An evil version of the Android mascot???
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Plus microtransactions without revenue share will probably lead to an unseen increase of predatory microtransactions in games.
This seems awfully familiar yet suddenly journos have a different take when it's not PC.
not Jeff, though ... Jeff's been pretty consistent since the beginning
That Engadget contributor must be losing their mind rn.
[UWSL]“Why isn’t Epic suing Valve?! They can’t keep getting away with it!”[/UWSL]
[UWSL]“Why isn’t Epic suing Valve?! They can’t keep getting away with it!”[/UWSL]
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But I am ready to devote myself.
So like, I hope there's an outcome where all of them lose, but my brain isn't able to figure how Epic stands a chance against Google here.
Tim Sweeney fighting for open platforms while at the same time sniping games off the steam store and paying developers not to release games on Steam....And this happening on the only real open platform (PC).
How am I supposed to believe them doing this for the greater good of the industry & players, when they use #FreeFortnite as the main hashtag for the whole campaign?
Rallying a bunch of angry nerds and children worked for Marvel with the Spiderman/Sony MCU contract so maybe Epic thinks it’ll work for them.
Okay, big news gets a big post. Sorry.
One problem I have with the rhetoric around this issue is this idea that it's bad vs. worse and that Epic are good guys compared to Apple. Apple sucks, but people are so blinded by that that they don't look at the big picture, which is that Epic is doing this because they want to become Apple, and an even worse version of them. Apple uses literal slave labor, but let Epic start making hardware and we'll see how they feel about the Uighurs. They're already 40% owned by Tencent after all!
The other argument appears to be that getting rid of the 30% cut is good no matter who's fighting for it. When I see this argument, I'm reminded of those liberals who are cozying up with The Lincoln Project. It DOES matter who's fighting for it, absolutely, because when you say this, you are indeed taking a side. You're taking Epic's side, because you are trusting the other multi billion dollar corporation to keep their word. Epic has shown no intention of following through on promises like that. They won't let indie devs on the EGS at all if they won't sign exclusivity contracts or otherwise don't think they'll take market share away from Steam (see: Assault Android Cactus, DARQ, Skatebird.) The lawsuit Epic filed may claim that they're looking for a new standard to apply to everyone, but again, if you think that's the truth then you actually are taking a side while acting like you're not. Epic's behavior has shown us they're only out for number one, and anyone worth their salt in even just following the news knows that lawsuits are rarely meant for actual legal battles - they're threats you hope to get settlements out of because the people you're suing admit you have a point and want you to shut up about it. Once Epic gets a settlement out of the deal, it all goes away, and suddenly the "good company" indies thought had their back instantly vanishes.
We here in this thread have been over, several times, how the 12% cut of the EGS is bullshit - for several reasons including lack of platform features compared to other platforms that take larger cuts and foreign transaction fees. Epic themselves have admitted it's unsustainable. Why should we expect any other store to follow suit? Why are we switching positions on this all of the sudden? Because the other team was, at one point, Apple (but is now a conglomerate of several tech companies?)
It's unbelievable how perfect the timing of this worked out for Epic. Because Apple were the first to respond, and because Epic anticipated that would happen, they were able to release that short as a live event in the game and focus the hate on Apple despite Google, Spotify, and other tech companies all following suit with Apple's position literally just hours later. This entire campaign is only working because Epic is able to frame it as Epic vs. Apple and not Epic vs. Basically Every Other Company That Sells Digital Services. Make no mistake, if Epic's gambit here pulls off even a moderate success, they're coming after Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo next. I wouldn't expect them to stay quiet on this for long.
This is just an extension of the already-existing EGS debate - to argue in favor of Epic here is to alleviate pain short-term only to utterly fuck yourself in the future. Epic is not doing this to break up monopolies, they are doing because they want to be the only monopoly for everything. If they really actually wanted developers to be chasing their own futures, they'd be supplying the tools for every dev to be making their own storefront that they'd all take 100% revenue shares from - but they all want it on the EGS, for both desktop and mobile.
Strategically, I think Epic may have fucked up here. It really all hinges on how much they can play this as a fight solely against Apple when the reality is that every digital distributor, in EVERY INDUSTRY, who isn't Epic doesn't want this to happen. This play ONLY works against Apple because they're already a negatively-perceived company in general (and rightfully so, don't get me wrong) and would immediately fall apart if they tried it against any of the console manufacturers. If the Big Three throw their hat in Apple's side, which they very well may, this whole thing instantly implodes. Fortnite will probably still survive even after the maximum cringe they exhibited today, but... who knows. I've seen crazier things happen.
Anyways, fuck Epic.
One problem I have with the rhetoric around this issue is this idea that it's bad vs. worse and that Epic are good guys compared to Apple. Apple sucks, but people are so blinded by that that they don't look at the big picture, which is that Epic is doing this because they want to become Apple, and an even worse version of them. Apple uses literal slave labor, but let Epic start making hardware and we'll see how they feel about the Uighurs. They're already 40% owned by Tencent after all!
The other argument appears to be that getting rid of the 30% cut is good no matter who's fighting for it. When I see this argument, I'm reminded of those liberals who are cozying up with The Lincoln Project. It DOES matter who's fighting for it, absolutely, because when you say this, you are indeed taking a side. You're taking Epic's side, because you are trusting the other multi billion dollar corporation to keep their word. Epic has shown no intention of following through on promises like that. They won't let indie devs on the EGS at all if they won't sign exclusivity contracts or otherwise don't think they'll take market share away from Steam (see: Assault Android Cactus, DARQ, Skatebird.) The lawsuit Epic filed may claim that they're looking for a new standard to apply to everyone, but again, if you think that's the truth then you actually are taking a side while acting like you're not. Epic's behavior has shown us they're only out for number one, and anyone worth their salt in even just following the news knows that lawsuits are rarely meant for actual legal battles - they're threats you hope to get settlements out of because the people you're suing admit you have a point and want you to shut up about it. Once Epic gets a settlement out of the deal, it all goes away, and suddenly the "good company" indies thought had their back instantly vanishes.
We here in this thread have been over, several times, how the 12% cut of the EGS is bullshit - for several reasons including lack of platform features compared to other platforms that take larger cuts and foreign transaction fees. Epic themselves have admitted it's unsustainable. Why should we expect any other store to follow suit? Why are we switching positions on this all of the sudden? Because the other team was, at one point, Apple (but is now a conglomerate of several tech companies?)
It's unbelievable how perfect the timing of this worked out for Epic. Because Apple were the first to respond, and because Epic anticipated that would happen, they were able to release that short as a live event in the game and focus the hate on Apple despite Google, Spotify, and other tech companies all following suit with Apple's position literally just hours later. This entire campaign is only working because Epic is able to frame it as Epic vs. Apple and not Epic vs. Basically Every Other Company That Sells Digital Services. Make no mistake, if Epic's gambit here pulls off even a moderate success, they're coming after Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo next. I wouldn't expect them to stay quiet on this for long.
This is just an extension of the already-existing EGS debate - to argue in favor of Epic here is to alleviate pain short-term only to utterly fuck yourself in the future. Epic is not doing this to break up monopolies, they are doing because they want to be the only monopoly for everything. If they really actually wanted developers to be chasing their own futures, they'd be supplying the tools for every dev to be making their own storefront that they'd all take 100% revenue shares from - but they all want it on the EGS, for both desktop and mobile.
Strategically, I think Epic may have fucked up here. It really all hinges on how much they can play this as a fight solely against Apple when the reality is that every digital distributor, in EVERY INDUSTRY, who isn't Epic doesn't want this to happen. This play ONLY works against Apple because they're already a negatively-perceived company in general (and rightfully so, don't get me wrong) and would immediately fall apart if they tried it against any of the console manufacturers. If the Big Three throw their hat in Apple's side, which they very well may, this whole thing instantly implodes. Fortnite will probably still survive even after the maximum cringe they exhibited today, but... who knows. I've seen crazier things happen.
Anyways, fuck Epic.
I wouldnt be surprised if theres an EpicBoxStation soon lol
Honestly I don’t expect a US court siding with Epic, a company with a Chinese company backing, over two of the biggest American corporations out there.
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I think that's actually just a fraction of people who claimed it. The amount of people who claimed it but not downloading it would be much higher. There's no need to rush to download and play it as long as you've claimed the game.