|OT| Epic vs Apple/Google - Battle of the Tims
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Unless apple nuke the app I'm not sure they can remove it, since it was enabled remotely.
As far as I know, that's only for folks who downloaded the app before it was removed from the store.
Sort of like on Steam when a game is removed from the store, its owners still get to keep it.
Sort of like on Steam when a game is removed from the store, its owners still get to keep it.
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yep if they already had it downloaded on ios the option to pay with epic is in there. same as on the play store version. the sideloaded android version only has the epic payment option of course.
as far as suing for damages...not sure? in the us you can sue for any reason but a judge can just toss the lawsuit out if its frivolous.
as far as suing for damages...not sure? in the us you can sue for any reason but a judge can just toss the lawsuit out if its frivolous.
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yeah there's a few levels of app restriction apple can do
remove from appstore: this stops a dev from updating an app but users can download if they got it previously
remove from accounts: this is when a dev license expires or account is closed. the app cannot be redownloaded if deleted
revoke app: this is when they remotely remove an app from devices. don't think it's even been done before but it is possible.
remove from appstore: this stops a dev from updating an app but users can download if they got it previously
remove from accounts: this is when a dev license expires or account is closed. the app cannot be redownloaded if deleted
revoke app: this is when they remotely remove an app from devices. don't think it's even been done before but it is possible.
I think Apple won't go as far as revoking, but as of the 28th you won't be able to redownload Fortnite.
Apple-Fortnite Judge Backed iPhone Maker in a Similar 2013 Case
Apple Inc.’s showdown with Fortnite maker Epic Games Inc. over app store fees has landed with a judge who gave the iPhone maker a big victory seven years ago in a case raising similar antitrust issues.
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This doesn't bode super well for Epic Tim.
I know you are the lawyer Alexandros .
But doesn't Epic really have a better case against the 30% cut here as the tax is passed on to consumers with Fortnite?
I see a problem with Epic screwing up their math though, because $9.99 - 30% =|= $7.99
I hope this is one of the reasons they fall: Greed
But doesn't Epic really have a better case against the 30% cut here as the tax is passed on to consumers with Fortnite?
I see a problem with Epic screwing up their math though, because $9.99 - 30% =|= $7.99
I hope this is one of the reasons they fall: Greed
Not only that, but the argument made by the judge in the previous case (that consumers can't sue for passed-on charges) doesn't apply this time since Epic is the one suing. I say that this doesn't bode well for Epic because, frankly, I find the judge's rationale for the ruling quite bizarre.
ISee Yeah it was never about about the player, it's always about Epic making even more money.
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i don't think epic reveals accounts by platform, and every fortnite account works crossplatform anyway, but they have previously said that mobile is a good percentage of their users. the total number of accounts is around 350 million.
venturebeat.com
this blog says 125 million ios downloads of fortnite and 4.2 million downloads on the play store, don't know if that's accurate or not though.
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play store downloads seem low but fortnite was sideload only at first, plus it's available in alternate app stores and at some point the download became the "epic launcher" not "fortnite" so that probably skews the numbers a lot.
Fortnite surpasses 350 million registered players, which is a lot
Fortnite players spent 3.2 billion hours in the game in April. And now Epic is giving her more reasons to return with Party Royale.
venturebeat.com
this blog says 125 million ios downloads of fortnite and 4.2 million downloads on the play store, don't know if that's accurate or not though.
Fortnite Mobile Revenue Hits $1 Billion in Two Years
Fortnite generated $44.3 million on mobile in April 2020, its best month since February 2019, Sensor Tower data shows.
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I mean I expected Sweeney to get exposed but I didn't think it was going to be this soon.
Bu-but Epic is doing this for ALL developers!
#4thedevs
#freefortnite
Well I be damned, Timmy Tencent lying about his motives. So shocked.
#freefortnite
Well I be damned, Timmy Tencent lying about his motives. So shocked.
Literally told them he'd break their ToS lmao
Tim Sweeney exposed as a liar and a hypocrite in front of the entire internet.
#FreeFortnite
I stick my 'stick' out for Epic on this one...... yup.
I mean at this point even the lawyers are probably pissed.
I mean at this point even the lawyers are probably pissed.
This is going to end in one of two ways. Apple will win or they'll settle out of court and Epic (and only Epic) will get a special deal. Sweeney knows this, this was never about fighting for the little guys lmao.
I haven't seen such a smackdown since the CIG vs Crytek lawsuit.
I loathe walled gardens but this couldn't have happened to a more upright, grandstanding, moral person than Tim Sweeney The First.
I loathe walled gardens but this couldn't have happened to a more upright, grandstanding, moral person than Tim Sweeney The First.
I hope this news opens many eyes, exposing Sweeney for the liar and hypocrite he is. 
Lol fucking Apple eventually biting me in the ass 
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WordPress founder claims Apple cut off updates to his completely free app because it wants 30 percent
Update: WordPress has already caved.
Its beautiful seeing him in damage control on twitter because he's been called outI hope this news opens many eyes, exposing Sweeney for the liar and hypocrite he is.
A small part from Apple's defence against Epic's request for a restraining order.
Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo:
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apple making an excellent argument. let's open up all those devices too!
Will they add the tweet when he said that consoles deserved the cut because they invested in their own hardware and all that ?A small part from Apple's defence against Epic's request for a restraining order.
Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo:
I'm all for it! Mad Man Tim setting fire to every walled garden in the industry would be an incredible sight. And the punchline will be that everyone will keep ignoring his shitty store on every platform.
I certainly hope so!
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the true best possible outcome
Mad Man Tim would probably have every platform holder trying to step on his throat lol
Mad Hat Tim.I'm all for it! Mad Man Tim setting fire to every walled garden in the industry would be an incredible sight. And the punchline will be that everyone will keep ignoring his shitty store on every platform.
I certainly hope so!
not asking for that lifesized $26,000 Ryza figure...smh
No doubt Epic would start money hatting dozens of the most popular games on other platforms as well. I'm not sure this would be an improvement for us as consumers. It would also benefit only a handful of lucky devs, similar to the current EGS situation.
The only thing Epic cares about is to prop up them Fortnite numbers. They don't give a shit about other developers. They don't even care about selling games as they are giving them away and doing corporate buyback voucher programs to make sure they bring people into EGS so Fortnite keeps growing.
Its all about the Fortnite $$$. People who actually think they are doing this shit for some greater good are delusional af.
Its all about the Fortnite $$$. People who actually think they are doing this shit for some greater good are delusional af.
God, I can hear the wiggling of his fingers as they swish-swish this masterstroke.
Hehe, he goes. With the glee and euphoria reserved for a child savant upon discovering "No, you are," as a seering indictment of his oppressors.
My fingies, Tim thinks, and I without a doubt know he calls his fingers "fingies," my fingies can create beautiful vistas and such carnal delight. He's fully erect now, by the way. He continues, aloud, my fingies can create, and, with a smirk starting from one corner and dragging across his face to create a bent, crooked smile, my fingies can destroy.
He's staring into the middle distance now, thinking about having even one more dollar. A tear wells in his eye. His mind drifts to the vast savannah of Africa, the birthplace of man and the predecessor to his kind, the fucking jackal.
That tweet misrepresents the image embedded in it, it's pretty incredible.
He specifically asks to be the alternative on iOS for all those other customers and developers. He isn't asking access for them. He wants to be the access. He's behaving exactly as he is on PC : he wants in on the gatekeeping.
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read about this and wow it's pretty absurd. wordpress sells domains on their website and even though it's not related at all to the ios app and not mentioned at all in the app (as per the developer agreement) apple just said "no more app updates til you add it to your app and cut us in".Lol fucking Apple eventually biting me in the ass
WordPress founder claims Apple cut off updates to his completely free app because it wants 30 percent
Update: WordPress has already caved.
something to note for those that want apple to "crush epic" or whatever: this is the kind of bullshit you are rooting to become the standard. apple (and surely google after this) just deciding they want a piece of your business and doing whatever they can to take it.
And it definitely just seems like you don’t like Apple, and are willing to allow the creation of an even worse situation to spite them.
It’s been explained multiple times now that the reason why Apple is acting so extremely in response to this incident is because no developer in the history of mobile development has made this big of a show out of intentionally, knowingly breaking a platform’s Terms of Service as a PR stunt. Epic already has a massive revenue stream in the form of Unreal Engine alone that they could never go bankrupt off of, Fortnite is a fad but it’s an absolutely huge one that’s still worth billions even as it declines, and now they’re stepping into the film industry which will be another unbelievably large source of income for them. They are absolutely positioned to take total monopolies of several industries, and will do things that are significantly worse or at least just as bad once they reach that position.
In order to believe that Epic would somehow do better than Apple in the same position, or that they wouldn't seek to take their place in the oligopoly, you'd have to have utter faith in Epic, which means you rally for the other megacorporation while puffing your chest about how you're such a savvy anti-capitalist. If you seriously believe that altruistic Epic is just doing this out of the good of their hearts, please explain why Epic denies indie developers - whom they claim the EGS is designed to help - from being on their store if they decline to sign an exclusivity contract, such as with DARQ and Skatebird. Please explain why they won't let indie devs on the store if they don't think the game will make enough revenue, such as with Assault Android Cactus. Please explain why their entire business model is about taking choice away from people while they claim to be the champion of the consumer. Why would you believe that Epic, a company that pays developers to change the rewards of their crowdfunding campaigns after it's too late for consumers to pull out of them, is suddenly all about giving consumers options? The only explanation is because you just have faith in the other megacorporation, and you're less concerned with Apple as an oligopolic supercorp and more because of their identity as Apple.
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i have no interest in how epic would act in the same position, because that's not the world we live in.
i never said epic is doing anything out of the good of their hearts. i have many posts in this thread explaining my position on this. please read them rather than making things up in your head about what i think.
i have an interest in mac remaining an open platform because i am a mac owner. i have an interest in ios becoming a more open platform because i am an iphone owner. if epic is the conduit to that happening, that's fine. doesn't mean i approve of any of epic's circus act tactics or business decisions outside of these suits. i do have an epic account because i have spent time playing fornite but i've never spent any money on it and don't plan to buy any games from their store because i don't approve of their business decisions on pc.
as a side note, i am also a former apple employee and was treated very well by them so i hold no ill will towards the company in that respect. however that doesn't mean i have any loyalty when it comes to defending walled gardens or anti-competitive business practices.
i never said epic is doing anything out of the good of their hearts. i have many posts in this thread explaining my position on this. please read them rather than making things up in your head about what i think.
i have an interest in mac remaining an open platform because i am a mac owner. i have an interest in ios becoming a more open platform because i am an iphone owner. if epic is the conduit to that happening, that's fine. doesn't mean i approve of any of epic's circus act tactics or business decisions outside of these suits. i do have an epic account because i have spent time playing fornite but i've never spent any money on it and don't plan to buy any games from their store because i don't approve of their business decisions on pc.
as a side note, i am also a former apple employee and was treated very well by them so i hold no ill will towards the company in that respect. however that doesn't mean i have any loyalty when it comes to defending walled gardens or anti-competitive business practices.
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Love how this pissing match is bringing out both party's dirty laundry into light.