Yeah, I hate it that this always happened and will be happening again.
People ignore actual RPGs with deep mechanics, branching story and narratives. And when the next AAA RPG doesn't provide that, they moan and complain.
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People ignore actual RPGs with deep mechanics, branching story and narratives. And when the next AAA RPG doesn't provide that, they moan and complain.
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Yep. I have to admit, as a big fan of classic cRPGs I did feel some schadenfreude reading complaints that Bethesda 'dumbed down' Fallout 4 compared to Fallout 3.
On a somewhat related note, I wonder what is it about gaming that causes people to completely dismiss certain games based on production values alone. How many film fans say "I don't watch films that have less than a $200 million budget"? Do music fans say "I don't listen to bands that aren't top ten in the charts"? Yet in gaming and in the recent "Sony is ignoring indies" thread on Era there were lots of people flatly saying "I don't play indie games". On an enthusiast gaming forum. I don't get it.
A lot of people are graphic whores and can't be bothered to play isometric games and the like. Such games are usually also much more text-heavy than their FPP counterparts (since the later are always fully voiced), so that's another "tiresome" thing to add. Then there's the complex combat systems instead of point and shoot/swing that FPP games have. Lots of walls to fend off your average casual player.
Well, those casual players have awesome games to look forward to, like Avowed from the well-renowned Obsidian, a studio most known for their amazing writing, that also lost almost every relevant writer they had, produced by the one and only Chris Parker, who also produced Alpha Protocol, about which we can read:
We also have Chris Avellone telling us interesting stuff about Chris Parker:
But I'm sure The Outer Worlds was only medicore and forgotten by most within a month because of AA budget (didn't stop it from being sold at $60), and now that Obsidian has MS money, their output will be absolutely amazing and surpass their legendary titles /s
AAA RPG fans are in for a rude awakening.
It's too early in the morning for me to have an opinion on anything (it's 13 pm after all !) but this is incredible/hilarious:
Chris Parker told the company they were hiring someone to replace him for his position "to do what he did", and someone raised their hand and said, “but Chris, we don’t know what it is you do.”
We live in a world where Mass Effect and Skyrim, just to name a few, are celebrated as great rpgs.
Bottom line is: The general public doesn't like rpgs.
I would say Mass Effect and Skyrim are great RPGs! For a RPG is a that the most allows me to play a role how I want, feel like I live in a world and which is the most flexible in its mechanics.
Besides technical stuff tied to engines and maturity of software and hardware, like graphics, animations, sound, etc, name one thing that Skyrim did better than Morrowind or ME did better than Kotor, that made them better "rpgs" than any of their predecessors.
Why is everyone complaining? Those are some epic gifs.
Seeing Wok's Tim Sweeney fetish in all of their posts is making me dry heave tbh.
Morrowind is one of my favorite games. So I don’t think skyrim is a better game either. I just said I find them great. Of course there are lots of better RPGs but don’t think it makes ME and Skyrim any worse.
presentation is also important in my opinion, there are a bunch of rpgs that people swear by that I can’t get into at all because of presentation.
Skyrim is a great sandbox game with RPG elements and needs a lot of mods to truly shine and reach its full potential.
Mass Effect is more of an action-adventure game with some dialogues and choices than an RPG. Your character is very much set in stone as to who they are and has a lot of autodialogue you have no control of. I really struggle to call a game an RPG if it makes my character do something non-neutral without my control. There's no reason why Shepard is forced to care about that kid in ME3 outside of playing a cheap trick on the player's emotions. Same with Jackie and Cyberpunk 2077. If you take control over my character out of my hands for no reason, then you're going against principles of RPG games. Forcing MC to become a Grey Warden in Dragon Age is fine, because the alternative would be death, either during the ceremony from Duncan, or from Blight, making the game pointless. Forcing the player character to cry and act all shaken up serves no purpose and just limits your role-playing.
Okay, I will slow down with Tim's GIFs, even though they make me laugh.
Wok ... or just keep them in the various EGS threads that i never go in to. That's a much better solution all round.
You get to keep up the posting quantity and i won't feel bad about kink-shaming.
Prodigy How is Lego Buidler's Journey now you've played it for a while? It looks gorgeous but is the game/puzzle decent?
You get to keep up the posting quantity and i won't feel bad about kink-shaming.
Prodigy How is Lego Buidler's Journey now you've played it for a while? It looks gorgeous but is the game/puzzle decent?
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No Humble Choice leaks that means that it will be food one right?
I should play Blue Reflection at some point.
But to do that I would need to buy it first.
With all the swimsuit and bath towel dlc of course.
It's kind of wild how much if that styff there is.
But to do that I would need to buy it first.
With all the swimsuit and bath towel dlc of course.
It's kind of wild how much if that styff there is.
Make a thread just for fun. Don't ban me.
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It's an okay game. Be warned though, the budget is very low and it shows. Both the story and gameplay are heavily limited by this.I should play Blue Reflection at some point.
But to do that I would need to buy it first.
With all the swimsuit and bath towel dlc of course.
It's kind of wild how much if that styff there is.
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No improved specs though which is what I was most interested in.
Come on Valve announce the SteamPal already.
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Lol that is the most Nintendo move possible 
Did we suddenly turn into rogcodex? Seriously, ME is a fantastic rpg to me. Maybe I am an uncultured swine who could never get into Age of Decadence but I do think modern, AAA RPGs are good, in general.
Doesn't mean I am snobbing the indie crpg renaissance, this is more of a "why not both?" situation to me.
Doesn't mean I am snobbing the indie crpg renaissance, this is more of a "why not both?" situation to me.
At least a decent OLED screen. Assuming Metroid Dread doesn't get terrible reviews, I'll probably get this one sometime this autumn.
Yup, i'm down for an OLED 7" screen Switch in those sweet stormtrooper colours! Gimme!
No, the most nintendo move was a cardboard screenLol that is the most Nintendo move possible
OLED TV > OLED Switch.
If it's not hackable, it's just another expensive paperweight to me.
If it's not hackable, it's just another expensive paperweight to me.
ME was a great series, but it didn't exactly offer what I personally expect from RPGs.
And don't get me wrong, I'd love to play some great, new AAA RPGs, but it's been a long time since such a game came out and it doesn't look like that's going to change anytime soon.
Obsidian is a lost cause to me considering their last few games and all the talent that left. inXile I have some faith in, would need to see their first game with MS budget to judge further. Bethesda always delivers a fun sandbox experience, especially with mods, but they've been streamlining their RPG aspects more and more with each release and only a fool trusts Todd's words, so his claims about0 Starfield being more RPG-heavy are worthless without evidence. BioWare has been on a downward spiral for a very long time, so I assume that DA4 and the next Mass Effect will be bad until proven otherwise. CDPR shit the bed so much with Cyberpunk I almost forgot about them completely, that should say enough. Fable is probably the only AAA RPG I have some faith in, and even then we have no idea how much of an RPG it's actually going to be.
And that's pretty much it when it comes to AAA RPG developers. Not a bright future to look forward to, that's for sure.
Funny thing is, if the SteamPal has good internals, will probably play Switch games better than the Switch.
Well gee, thanks Ninty, that was a big dissapointment. My launch Switch fans goes into airplane mode for the first 5 min when I start it up, was hoping for a spec upgrade so I can buy a new one.
Guess Im gonna have to continue living with an airplane going off when I start my Switch.
Guess Im gonna have to continue living with an airplane going off when I start my Switch.
It often happens as a new versions with new content alongside console launches.BRUH
What is up with these olde indie games getting new sequels/sucessors
But no idea here, not sure if it's redux/remaster versiono d the original or sequwl
Sony: Time to throw in all the indies so those developers can shut their mouths
Excited for Deathloop, btw.
Excited for Deathloop, btw.
Between Deathloop and whatever indie games they show, will just treat this as an extension of the PC shows we had at E3.
¯\(ツ)/¯, but if people are looking for better performance, the price should not matter much, considering the rumors are that SteamPal will be $400.
I share most of your opinions but my feelings towards Obsidian and inXile are the complete oposite of yours.
I liked what Obsidian did with Pillars and Tyranny, they felt like mechanically competent games with deep-enough rpg mechanics and excelent world building and lore. Since Avowed will take place in Eora I still have faith it will turn out ok.
Inxile on the other hand has disappointed me time after time. Wasteland 2 was ok overall, at least the director's cut, but was easily broken with many silly exploits and dead items, skills and builds.,Torment was bad with very few redeeming factors and a million miles way from what it was trying to copy and Bard's Tale 4 was the worst of all, I just hate thinking about it. People seem to like W3 but I can't comment since I'm yet to play it but I've expressed my concerns about some aspects about the game in the past.
Overall, I still think Obsidian deserve the benefit of the doubt, at least from me.
nooooooooooooooooo
I am in deathloop media blackout @3@
Ah well I ain't atching it anyways~
I'll believe it when i see it, or benchmarks at least. People seems to be expecting the SteamBuddy to be the next gaming messiah from what i've read.
... but again, we won't know until it's in stores.
The game looks gorgeous indeed, but the puzzles aren't great: each diorama always requires to build a path to the exit, with an occasional little puzzle to find or create the right LEGO pieces : there is very little challenge. It is more an animated story, like Pingu was with modelling clay, than an actual puzzle game.
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Its all expeculation in good fun, we have no idea what the hell the SteamPal is and if is even real, but it would be funny if was a better Switch than the Switch, and Nintendo still could release a Switch Pro tho'.
They should have called it SteamPipe and then when it doesn't meet up to expectations people can be "guess it was just a Pipe dream".
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