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I believe that it was the least they could do but this story should serve as a warning concerning Deep Silver/THQN and, of course, Epic
Having the EGS launcher on disks is both silly and insulting.
Having the EGS launcher on disks is both silly and insulting.
oh so they even cancelled nodrm retail disc
PC Physical version
The PC Physical version will be delivered on disk. However, the disk will contain the Epic Games Store installer and not the actual game data.
what a joke...
The PC Physical version will be delivered on disk. However, the disk will contain the Epic Games Store installer and not the actual game data.
what a joke...
Now watch Shenmue 3 be an always online game on PC for no reason.
It took them this long to reach the obvious (and easy to do) solution? The really didn't want to give refunds.
And as pointed out on the thread on Era, the PC physical version thing means that the difference between the $30 and $60 tiers is now a nice coaster with the EGS installer
And as pointed out on the thread on Era, the PC physical version thing means that the difference between the $30 and $60 tiers is now a nice coaster with the EGS installer
Tim paid a lot of money for all those backers ... and he sure as hell is going to do everything in his power to get them!
They really should've accepted refunds from the start :\
that's like the ABSOLUTE MINIMUM they should've done from the moment they announced the egs shit, yes
Thank God that they were pressured into offering refunds.
Gonna refund the shit out of this. Might even try to get a refund on my physical PS4 copy too, just because it'll cost Epic, Ys Net and/or Deep Silver more money.
Also, I hope there's a mass exodus of refunds here, to the point that Timmy Tencent's deal is absolutely fucking worthless.
Also, I hope there's a mass exodus of refunds here, to the point that Timmy Tencent's deal is absolutely fucking worthless.
More inflexible corporate bullshit.
You mean, Valve told you to go see where the sun doesn't shine when you asked them to distribute a game for free. Shock and awe, bless me heart, what low-lives.
"Please don't ask for a refun-oh shit".
My overriding feeling about this whole situation is regret. I'm just sad it came to this, since I've been waiting 17/18 years for Shenmue III. There's not many games that I've been mega hyped for that have ended in bitter disappointment. MGS4 was one of them, but that's because it's a bad game. But Shenmue III has now topped that list.
I'm not even angry or salty anymore. Just sad.
I'm not even angry or salty anymore. Just sad.
They could've offered a version not tethered to any launcher, if Epic/Tim Sweeney were being honest in their assertions, but it's clear to everyone they want all players of the game on EGS.
Deep Silver continues to be terrible, that shite took them a month to write? What did they expect, that Valve is gonna allow them to use Steam's ecosystem for a game that's not gonna be released on the platform for more than a year? Come on! I hope after the release of Metro and Shenmue most of us will have enough willpower to only buy these games when they will be on deep discounts.
Yes lets completely ignore the fact that said Valve employees are also game developers..Imagine being Jason Shitheel Schreier, pretending to care about game dev labor and writing this asinine shit, dunking on Valve for taking care of their employees:
Shenmue III Developers Offer Refunds To Kickstarter Backers Angry About Epic Store Exclusivity
Stop me if you’ve heard this one before: Fans are upset that an upcoming new game is an Epic Games Store exclusive, and the developers have to react. This time it’s Shenmue III, whose creators said today that any Kickstarter backers displeased with the state of things will be able to get a refund.kotaku.com
Fuck the gaming press.
Edit: Also conveniently forgetting that Epic’s money and the money publishers like Deep Silver are getting are coming off the backs of overworked and labor crushed Fortnite BR devs.
“I care about game devs.” “But not them because valve BAD”
I think we need some sort of documentary on the gaming press, exposing connections between the press and publishers, showing how the press morphed into PR wing of the industry as opposed to being an unbiased (at least to a certain extent) journalism. Preferably it should be done by someone with credibility in the journalistic circles, otherwise, the notion itself will be easily brushed off as "GAMERS RISE UP!" and other GG-esque nonsense.Imagine being Jason Shitheel Schreier, pretending to care about game dev labor and writing this asinine shit, dunking on Valve for taking care of their employees:
Shenmue III Developers Offer Refunds To Kickstarter Backers Angry About Epic Store Exclusivity
Stop me if you’ve heard this one before: Fans are upset that an upcoming new game is an Epic Games Store exclusive, and the developers have to react. This time it’s Shenmue III, whose creators said today that any Kickstarter backers displeased with the state of things will be able to get a refund.
Fuck the gaming press.
Edit: Also conveniently forgetting that Epic’s money and the money publishers like Deep Silver are getting are coming off the backs of overworked and labor crushed Fortnite BR devs.
Pay no attention to the terrible labour practices behind the curtain for they are Epic, the Great and unreal-powered!Imagine being Jason Shitheel Schreier, pretending to care about game dev labor and writing this asinine shit, dunking on Valve for taking care of their employees:
Shenmue III Developers Offer Refunds To Kickstarter Backers Angry About Epic Store Exclusivity
Stop me if you’ve heard this one before: Fans are upset that an upcoming new game is an Epic Games Store exclusive, and the developers have to react. This time it’s Shenmue III, whose creators said today that any Kickstarter backers displeased with the state of things will be able to get a refund.
Fuck the gaming press.
Edit: Also conveniently forgetting that Epic’s money and the money publishers like Deep Silver are getting are coming off the backs of overworked and labor crushed Fortnite BR devs.
The 88/12 is just slow acting water meant to destroy the Wicked Gaben of the West
I'll be getting my refund as soon as I can. Maybe I'll buy the game later on Steam when its on sale with the DLC.
These are two good points.
Journalistic integrity
Shenmue III Developers Offer Refunds To Kickstarter Backers Angry About Epic Store Exclusivity
They are rich and can afford to give a nice bonus to their employees. Those stupid valve fucks, think about all the money publishers are loosing because of this!
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Criticizing Valve is okay, but shaming them for paying for nice company vacations is a bit off. Especially for somebody who wants to protect and fights for better employee treatment in the industry.
Treating your workers nicely is suddenly a bad thing, because valve is doing it? While on the other side epic is treating their Fortnite workforce like robots?
I'd go as far and say: Jason you are a hypocrite here.
I also think you can demand that a journalist understands that running an operation like steam costs money, let alone all the other things that valve is doing. I'm not sure a 88-12% split is sustainable in the first place.
Shenmue III Developers Offer Refunds To Kickstarter Backers Angry About Epic Store Exclusivity
Valve:
- Funds and develops Linux gaming
- Funds, researches and tries to establish VR gaming
- Funds, researches and tries to establish new controller methods and integrates their own controller API (use what you want)
- Funds a gigantic server network, with free and fast downloads, cloudsaving, social hubs, mod pages etc.
- Funds and offers in home game streaming and hardware
- Has regional pricing
- Pays salaries without treating their employees like slaves
- Takes care of processing fees
- Apparently offers company vacation
- Doesn't treat their costumers like shit
They are rich and can afford to give a nice bonus to their employees. Those stupid valve fucks, think about all the money publishers are loosing because of this!
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Criticizing Valve is okay, but shaming them for paying for nice company vacations is a bit off. Especially for somebody who wants to protect and fights for better employee treatment in the industry.
Treating your workers nicely is suddenly a bad thing, because valve is doing it? While on the other side epic is treating their Fortnite workforce like robots?
I'd go as far and say: Jason you are a hypocrite here.
I also think you can demand that a journalist understands that running an operation like steam costs money, let alone all the other things that valve is doing. I'm not sure a 88-12% split is sustainable in the first place.
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when future games... when future games...
There it is, crowdfunding is now dead.
GJ.
Yeah I'm not touching anything on KS that isn't a very porny game, they are probably safe since they don't want those.
There's only 1 game I crowdfunded thats not out yet and if they touch it I will scream. Never crowdfunding another game until Epic fucks off.
Tempted to make a resetera thread with the title "Tim Sweeney promises to further destroy crowdfunding platforms"
Hey look! I "solved" a problem I alone created. Do you love me yet?
I think very highly of Schreier and consider him as one of the good ones, but he makes mistakes like any of us.
I mean come on, who do we want to responsibly cover the game industry?
EZA? Owen S. Good?
I hope he will come to his senses, I am displeased about his take on the issue too.
I mean come on, who do we want to responsibly cover the game industry?
EZA? Owen S. Good?
I hope he will come to his senses, I am displeased about his take on the issue too.
JSchreiers history covering PC as a platform has been trash so nothing new to see here.
I'm pretty sure it was also him who argued Hollow Knight wasn't a successful videogame until it came to Switch.
I'm pretty sure it was also him who argued Hollow Knight wasn't a successful videogame until it came to Switch.
Schreier’s take is especially disappointing coming from someone who fights so hard for workers’ rights, because it means he essentially doesn’t think of Valve as workers. While I think the people who are declaring him a “shitheel” are being ridiculous, as one bad take isn’t enough to nullify an entire career of fighting for developers, it really is an impressively awful statement that goes entirely against what he claims to represent.
No surprises there with that Kotaku article. Gaming websites only care about the console side of business and only bring PC when someone does something stupid.
If you get your PC coverage from those sites I wouldnt be surprised if you believe that every PC gamer is a Nazi pedophile.
If you get your PC coverage from those sites I wouldnt be surprised if you believe that every PC gamer is a Nazi pedophile.
I supported a shit ton of yet to be released projects on KS so it's almost certain that Tim will put his sweaty greedy hands on one of those. Nice: I need money to spend on already released games made by developers who don't give me the finger when the rich kid notices them.
EDIT: With all the talk of how evil Valve is because they don't put their unreleased indie game on the Steam front page every single day, I see Renaine as the main candidate.
EDIT: With all the talk of how evil Valve is because they don't put their unreleased indie game on the Steam front page every single day, I see Renaine as the main candidate.
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Please start with I'm Hektor Hernan-desu. I legit laughed out loud at work.
After this article, I'm done. If even an investigative journalist like Jason has appalling takes like this then I have no faith in gaming media at all to cover this topic with even a modicum of honesty. It just won't happen. EZA is the same. So is Giant Bomb.
Therefore I won't take any of them seriously and just see them as entertainment.
They've already relented on the 70/30 as well, with just ~333k sales @ $30 you get to only give 25%, And so on and so forth. Nothing new that's not been already addressed in that shit article outside its own shittyness, might as well argue with Mangarae's circle jerking ad infinitum, it's about as productive. Of course my reply there (with some general arguments copy pasted from other posts and criticizing the vacation bit) will remain pending forever or denied.
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As I said before, The journalists aren't on our side unless it benefits them.Imagine being Jason Shitheel Schreier, pretending to care about game dev labor and writing this asinine shit, dunking on Valve for taking care of their employees:
Shenmue III Developers Offer Refunds To Kickstarter Backers Angry About Epic Store Exclusivity
Stop me if you’ve heard this one before: Fans are upset that an upcoming new game is an Epic Games Store exclusive, and the developers have to react. This time it’s Shenmue III, whose creators said today that any Kickstarter backers displeased with the state of things will be able to get a refund.
Fuck the gaming press.
Edit: Also conveniently forgetting that Epic’s money and the money publishers like Deep Silver are getting are coming off the backs of overworked and labor crushed Fortnite BR devs.
He's always been full of shit, focused on drama instead of facts. His piece on Star Citizen was completely devoid of context while fishing for anything that can be construed as a problem. That's the thing with game journos, very few of them actually has experience or technical background with gamedev. Yet, how hard is it to apply a critical eye and try to educate yourself? This press is more than 30 years old.Imagine being Jason Shitheel Schreier, pretending to care about game dev labor and writing this asinine shit, dunking on Valve for taking care of their employees:
Shenmue III Developers Offer Refunds To Kickstarter Backers Angry About Epic Store Exclusivity
Stop me if you’ve heard this one before: Fans are upset that an upcoming new game is an Epic Games Store exclusive, and the developers have to react. This time it’s Shenmue III, whose creators said today that any Kickstarter backers displeased with the state of things will be able to get a refund.
Fuck the gaming press.
Edit: Also conveniently forgetting that Epic’s money and the money publishers like Deep Silver are getting are coming off the backs of overworked and labor crushed Fortnite BR devs.
It's interesting to see him burn his reputation in this way. I mean, talking up the cut is one of the most easily detecable bullshit arguments in this. He's behaving like a bullying troll which is pretty much what EGS and the press have been in all this.
Also, taking up unions and criticizing crunch while dunking on employees getting vacations and bonuses.
It was a piece on the development of S42, the single-player campaign. The crux of Shreier's criticism was that as budget ballooned, the tech had to change to be able to support larger ambitions and scales of content. Every time they had to expand on a foundational system (which was the right thing to do from an engineer and long-term standpoint), it was a "reboot" and "troubled management". It was so asinine, divorced from the reality that this is normal and the editorial thinly-veiled I could barely bear to read the whole thing. Even Brian Chambers, the Frankfurt studio lead whose engineers know a thing or two about engine development considering those are overwhelmingly ex-Crytek people, got pissed when people came at him asking about the "reboot".
Anyway, I agree with you. Double standards, tribal agendas and hypocrisy is what I've grown to expect from the press.
But you know what the silver lining is? People are pushing back against Epic, SC is still well-funded and great things are still happening in PC gaming
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For what it's worth, I just stopped following him on Twitter and removed his book from my Amazon wishlist. While I still think he did a great job with many investigative articles, I don't feel like supporting him anymore if this is what he truly believes about PC gaming.
Agreed. I think he's full of shit and I dislike him intensely for how clearly he still follows gawker's "gossip" obsession over facts. Still, much as his style pisses me off when it comes to technical matters, he did some good reporting that had a positive impact. Riot comes to mind.
This Epic thing is exposing the hypocrisy of many so called journalists each and every day. It's truly bizarre how everyone seems to give them a free pass over their harmful behavior, even when it comes to things that will affect gaming as a whole, such as the viability of crowdfunding, and not only "toxic steam fanboys".
I remember when Game Journalists Are Incompetent Fuckwits was a thing 8 or 9 years ago. He really knew how to get under their skin, because instead of coupling easy to demolish right wing talking points with some vaguely shady goings on in the press, he actually had an amazing bullshit detector that honed in on exactly why the games press was so shit. And they had no answer to him at all.
We could do with someone like that now, legitimately giving these guys hell for their bullshit without any of the GamerGate baggage, but all we have nowadays are right wing grifter twats who are more interested in hijacking the discussion around the quality of the game press to talk about why it's okay to harass women and why they think white people are the master race.
Edit: Should add the creator of GJAIF is kind of embarrassed of the site now, though I imagine that has a lot to do with what happened with the "Ethics in Games Journalism" bullshit that spewed afterwards. It's a shame because the pundit press nowadays are even worse than they were a decade ago, frankly.
We could do with someone like that now, legitimately giving these guys hell for their bullshit without any of the GamerGate baggage, but all we have nowadays are right wing grifter twats who are more interested in hijacking the discussion around the quality of the game press to talk about why it's okay to harass women and why they think white people are the master race.
Edit: Should add the creator of GJAIF is kind of embarrassed of the site now, though I imagine that has a lot to do with what happened with the "Ethics in Games Journalism" bullshit that spewed afterwards. It's a shame because the pundit press nowadays are even worse than they were a decade ago, frankly.
Really noticing how TB isn't around anymore in times like these
Yeah, Epic's schtick of being the saviours of Developer Studios and in particular Indie Devs kinda fell flat when they only moneyhatted what i consider Big Indie Devs. It was all kind of a sham in my mind after that.
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I should have known better than reading the answers to those tweets. People still are using the "Valve lazy" argument, still coming with that dumb shit that Steam is a monopoly and exclusives are the only way that Epic could enter in the market.Good Twitter thread:
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Just caught up on the news that Phoenix Point will also release on Xbox pass day one so its another 'just not on Steam' eggs exclusive.
I wonder what the actual contract that they signed with epic says? Does it just say 'cant release on Steam'? or was there a prior deal in place that epic couldn't buy them out of?
I wonder what the actual contract that they signed with epic says? Does it just say 'cant release on Steam'? or was there a prior deal in place that epic couldn't buy them out of?
Can't be pro-indie with a curated store like that by default tbh. Steam wasn't pro-indie in its inception either, not until before Greenlight did they start being so.
That's like EA saying oh no, we're not so evil, we're nice guys, we gave resources/great contracts that just covered our costs to a handful of indies, come on!