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I think the answer to this is to just not go into China at all, considering it makes your company ethically compromised in ways that are unpalatable to your domestic audiences.

But capitalism doesn’t do ethics that are incompatible with the bottom line, so here we are. Lets be under no allusion, if Sweeney had a product that was big in China they would be oddly silent now.
 
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lashman said:
could've ended here and it would still be true ;)
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lol if the red shoe fits epic.....


But seriously, its weird how people had NO IDEA how many western companies are over in china, "betraying their ideals" in order to score major cash there. Newsflash, google doesn't have any fucking ethics, neither does your favorite corp and especially Nintendo. Its the ethic of the dollar.

The best you can do is what you can while trying to survive.
 
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I see some comments on various places (not here) calling China a communist country, in opposition to capitalism, but I think it is not accurate. It became a capitalistic dictatorship years ago, they just kept the brand "Communist" on it. But it's not.

I guess that's why it's easier for some countries to "fight red commies" in this issue with HK.

But communism or socialism is not exactly what people experience in China. Not sure it ever was, but these days, it's not.
 
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Ruvon said:
I see some comments on various places (not here) calling China a communist country, in opposition to capitalism, but I think it is not accurate. It became a capitalistic dictatorship years ago, they just kept the brand "Communist" on it. But it's not.

I guess that's why it's easier for some countries to "fight red commies" in this issue with HK.

But communism or socialism is not exactly what people experience in China. Not sure it ever was, but these days, it's not.
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yup ... it's 100% state capitalism

China is about as communist as USSR was (which is to say: not at all)
 
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Ruvon said:
I see some comments on various places (not here) calling China a communist country, in opposition to capitalism, but I think it is not accurate. It became a capitalistic dictatorship years ago, they just kept the brand "Communist" on it. But it's not.

I guess that's why it's easier for some countries to "fight red commies" in this issue with HK.

But communism or socialism is not exactly what people experience in China. Not sure it ever was, but these days, it's not.
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The same people who claim Nazis were socialist because it was the party’s name. Idiots.
 
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Ruvon said:
I see some comments on various places (not here) calling China a communist country, in opposition to capitalism, but I think it is not accurate. It became a capitalistic dictatorship years ago, they just kept the brand "Communist" on it. But it's not.

I guess that's why it's easier for some countries to "fight red commies" in this issue with HK.

But communism or socialism is not exactly what people experience in China. Not sure it ever was, but these days, it's not.
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Communist and Socialist states only existed by name. UdSSR, Poland, North Korea, East Germany (etc.) were all regimes using socialism as a mean to rule over people. They never had free elections, people were not equal, life was hard, normal people were poor, propaganda was a daily problem, free speech impossible, you had to celebrate and worship the prime political party, free thinkers and the opposition were imprisoned and most importantly they had a ruling class. People that were more equal than others. Those states never had something to do with true socialism and looking at past socialistic regimes and modern china: It's similar, but with china having open borders for foreigners and some kind of new middle class. Better, but still a communistic regime in the tradition of all other socialistic/communistic regimes we had in the past.

I agree with what you say, but just think that we have to acknowledge that socialism always went wrong and was never experienced by anybody.
 
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lashman said:
most of the times it went wrong was with some help from other capitalist countries
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I've hidden my response because we are going off topic here and there is no need to bother other people. If you want to keep talking about this, send me a pm. Or don't. I don't think we have strong opposing views here. But I still disagree with that part, because...

Maybe true in this example but whenever they "succeeded" they f* it up themselves or with the help of other communist countries. Russia, Poland, German Democratic Republic, North Korea, China, Croatia, Romania etc. No matter who tried it, it never worked mostly because we as a species are power and wealth hungry. It's the same reason why there is so much misery under capitalism, but history taught us that pure socialism doesn't work and that the idea itself is utopistic.
Doesn't mean that we should forget about it, there are good humanistic ideas in there that are worth following. But I still rather live in a capitalistic democracy than in one of those mentioned states during the cold war. And I know because I was born in Poland. That said, a democracy, with socialistic ideals (health care, education, basic income --> human rights and not done by the private sector) sound appealing to me. Especially one that doesn't value profit above all else. But nobody tried it, so who knows.
 
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Mark Kern has been a dumbass for the longest, and you absolutely should not take his word on how oh he’d NEVER cave to China, considering his dev studio was majority-owned by a Chinese publisher.
 
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Torn Banner using Steam to promote Chivalry 2. Disgusting.

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Torn Banner Studios looks back... What went right with 2012's Chivalry: Medieval Warfare? What went wrong?
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Ge0force said:
Torn Banner using Steam to promote Chivalry 2. Disgusting.

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Par of the course. Companies promote their EGS trash since Day 1, just look at...whatever that Team17 game was, Exogenesis (?), they only stopped doing that after their forums got flooded with complaints of all sorts of pleasantness.
 
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John Wick Hex, A Knights Quest and Ghost Recon Breakpoint are all getting pretty mixed reviews. Poor Epic is missing out on all the great games releasing on Steam this week because they’re prioritizing their mediocre exclusives.

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Oops, my bad, guess all that exposure on EGS didn't really help.
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Releasing the same day as Kingdom Hearts 3 and a few days after Resident Evil 2 was an awful idea. The game would have bombed on Steam too.
 
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Arsene said:
Releasing the same day as Kingdom Hearts 3 and a few days after Resident Evil 2 was an awful idea. The game would have bombed on Steam too.
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It's not a very good game from what I can gather. Maybe they'll add some improvements closer to Steam release, but 67 on MC is pretty rough for games (not that there are no enjoyable, but flawed games in that range) and doesn't inspire much confidence.
 
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Ge0force said:
Torn Banner using Steam to promote Chivalry 2. Disgusting.

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Steam :: Chivalry: Medieval Warfare :: Reflecting on Chivalry: Medieval Warfare

Torn Banner Studios looks back... What went right with 2012's Chivalry: Medieval Warfare? What went wrong?
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Chivalry 2 FAQ :: Chivalry: Medieval Warfare Landing Page

What is Chivalry II? Chivalry 2 is a multiplayer first person slasher inspired by epic medieval movie battles, available now. What are its new features? Chivalry 2 advances the vision of the original game with a true sequel. In a quick list… Massive scale : 64 players in sprawling, multi-stage...
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Epic Games Store, a platform so good that developers are forced to use services belonging to its Competition® in order to advertise their products.

You can't make this stuff up.
 
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He’s absolutely lying out of his ass on the backpedal, he already said the interview was to “provide a competing viewpoint that might persuade listeners” and that he didn’t want to “avoid associating with an influencer because of disagreement with their views.” Why the fuck would he suddenly turn around and do a “reasoned debate” with someone he thought was an r/fuckepic guy after decrying the entire group as babies in the past? He saw that he was in danger of losing EGS’s status as being the dev-friendly store that idiot liberals champion and backpedaled. That’s all it is. Christ I fucking hate CEOs.
 
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I'm not up to date on the latest happenings on the internet, either. I wouldn't know what this was if I didn't participate here. Meh.


As a vocational requirement, I did end up having to download EGS. I'm telling yall this because I find it funny that when it runs in the background, every time I restart Steam, EGS makes a pop-up on my taskbar reminding me of the free games they have available.

Surviving Mars is an option, which I already have from Humble Bundle. Nice try.

But talking to people who are more...casual...they love that EGS is buying their loyalty with all these freebies.
 
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A Knight's Quest is out since some days. I'm unable to find any information about the PC version and how does it run, how are the controls with kb+m, can i choose a difficulty level, what graphic options are available, etc.
There is no discussion at all for this game, just some reviews are available. No discord and no subreddit. Not even the pubslisher has a Discord channel. Do i really have to write a e-mail to the devs?
 
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sk2k said:
A Knight's Quest is out since some days. I'm unable to find any information about the PC version and how does it run, how are the controls with kb+m, can i choose a difficulty level, what graphic options are available, etc.
There is no discussion at all for this game, just some reviews are available. No discord and no subreddit. Not even the pubslisher has a Discord channel. Do i really have to write a e-mail to the devs?
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it's almost like it would be nice to have an auto-generated centralised place to talk about each game with other people who might be having questions about it :thinking-blob:
 
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Nothing wrong with the freebies, so long as you don't convert that into buying shit on the store. I get that they are trying to build up people's libraries, but that doesn't necessarily translate into using the client or store much at all. More than half of the freebies play without EGS even running, including the Arkham games.
 
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You dont see Steam going down because of a single game.
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This.

And it looks like it's causing problems to ALL games. Even Borderlands 3. Can't wait to see Randy saying that BL3 on EGS forced Epic to work on their launcher.

Looks like it's because everything is on the same server with Epic.

People having troubles playing in offline mode too... Never had that problem with Steam ; if Steam is down, I still can play in offline mode to already installed games.
 
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Nothing wrong with the freebies, so long as you don't convert that into buying shit on the store. I get that they are trying to build up people's libraries, but that doesn't necessarily translate into using the client or store much at all. More than half of the freebies play without EGS even running, including the Arkham games.
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The corundrum of the Launcher wars.
"just another Launcher" may be a minor inconvenience for the customer (in terms of clicking something and not making a stand), but a BIG issue for the Store,
We customers may have a dozen launchers installed, but who opens ALL of them daily/weekly/monthly? The store-owner NEEDS the customer's eyes on his store. If the customer only starts the launcher to play his game, s/he is worthless for the store. A healthy store needs "foot traffic" to make impulse buys.
And the customer wants a place where he can buy what he wants and not juggle a dozen launchers he need to check if the game he wants is on there.

You know why I use Steam? Not just because my library is there, no, because I can be certain that there is a 95% chance that the game I want to buy is sold there.
Same with Amazon. I know I will find what I am looking for on Amazon.
 
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