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Do we know if Epic’s exclusivity agreements come with cheaper buyouts for the freebies?
It has been a pattern of giving away games from devs with an exclusivity agreement. I wondered even before these numbers were revealed if Epic had a package deal of exclusivity and a game to giveaway
It has been a pattern of giving away games from devs with an exclusivity agreement. I wondered even before these numbers were revealed if Epic had a package deal of exclusivity and a game to giveaway
Hopefully every developer out there will take a look at these and ask for way more money from now on
I wonder how many of them never expected this info to go public. Now we know that they were getting less money than in a Humble Bundle.
That borderlands spike ...
I was gonna comment on the famous Metro did x2.5 sales, but since we still don't know if it was only sales on the EGS or not it's kinda pointless.
I was gonna comment on the famous Metro did x2.5 sales, but since we still don't know if it was only sales on the EGS or not it's kinda pointless.
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Honestly? I'm really happy seeing those numbers.
I'm loving all this dirty laundry coming out.
I wonder how pissed off Sony is about this coming out?
Seems to be a common theme this year to see Sony making themselves look bad with their greed and bad business decisions
seems like there is some bundling going on by the look at the Borderlands 3 deal
yeah that Blands spike is funny , especially compared to like rest of th store until then :-D
Also look at how the revenue went alomst completely flat duiring steamsale
Making devs pay for crossplay is so slimey. Wtf Sony.
This lawsuit is the best BR game that came out in the last few years.
In 20+ years Epic went from Unreal to snitch.
Btw how do we even read that free game stuff?
Entitlements is amount of EGS users that activated it?
Then buyout is how much Epic gave them, total?
And then the Epic UA cost is derived from that as an additional stat to show how much they paid per new account?
Cos it's not like Epic calculated what to pay them afterr counting the number of new accounts, right? They paid x amount and then these are the resulting stats?
Cos it might not even be a very accurate stat? Several games could be free at once, to which would you attribute every new account vs new Fortnite players?
Entitlements is amount of EGS users that activated it?
Then buyout is how much Epic gave them, total?
And then the Epic UA cost is derived from that as an additional stat to show how much they paid per new account?
Cos it's not like Epic calculated what to pay them afterr counting the number of new accounts, right? They paid x amount and then these are the resulting stats?
Cos it might not even be a very accurate stat? Several games could be free at once, to which would you attribute every new account vs new Fortnite players?
I guess that graph shows that the comment was about all sales, including Steam. If this graph is correct, Metro Exodus sold much more on Steam than on EGS.
Getting insight to all the money spent and other such things is fascinating.
Like if I was in these devs shoes, I'd be taking these huge checks too lol.
Like if I was in these devs shoes, I'd be taking these huge checks too lol.
Sadly the leaked document is removed, but it seems someone leaked a document with Epic's strategy for EGS. It said that Epic was planning to ramp up the money hatting to more than 300 games/year in 2022-2024! 
I'm not sure this is still on the planning since lots of exclusives are underperforming. But this shows once again that Epic has no intentions to offer healthy competition with EGS. I'll be extremely happy to see it fail.
I'm not sure this is still on the planning since lots of exclusives are underperforming. But this shows once again that Epic has no intentions to offer healthy competition with EGS. I'll be extremely happy to see it fail.
I bet you are pretty happy with the data that we got on EGS! That daily revenue chart showed that customers largely ignored EGS, even with all the sales and moneyhats.
Sadly the leaked document is removed, but it seems someone leaked a document with Epic's strategy for EGS. It said that Epic was planning to ramp up the money hatting to more than 300 games/year in 2022-2024!
I'm not sure this is still on the planning since lots of exclusives are underperforming. But this shows once again that Epic has no intentions to offer healthy competition with EGS. I'll be extremely happy to see it fail.
It's still on the planning
I wonder how much of a spine most of these companies/devs/pubs will show after so much of their dirty laundry has come to public due to this case.
To be fair, they must have known this was going to happen?
True. I don't know how they attribute new accounts to each free game given away during the same week.
Maybe by the first activated game, which can be a bit misleading.
For instance:
- given away during the same week,
- roughly the same number of "entitlements" (2.8 million, with a 10k difference between the two games),
- twice as many new accounts attributed to TWoM (140k) compared to Moonlighter (70k).
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I haven't been analyzing all this data (that's Mor 's job
) but yeah, every leaked graph or number I see indicates that EGS isn't doing well at all. Most money hatted games seem to perform significantly less than estimated (which determines Epic's minimum sales guarantee). But most important is that the growth in revenue was almost zero last year. This indicates that Epic's current strategy isn't working very well.
DATA?!?! WHERE?!?!? WHO TAGGED ME AND WHY DO YOU THINK I'M A DATA NERD?!?!?!?
Sony's Cross-play contract.
this one?Sadly the leaked document is removed, but it seems someone leaked a document with Epic's strategy for EGS. It said that Epic was planning to ramp up the money hatting to more than 300 games/year in 2022-2024!
"50% market share if steam doesn't react"!!!
jfc these business consultants and their fairy-tale scenarios are something else...
jfc these business consultants and their fairy-tale scenarios are something else...
I can't find it but Sweeny tweeted once (I'm paraphrasing) that the 12% meant that either someone matched them and therefore they lose their advantage or nobody matched them and they would "win". So that "prediction" is in line with their thinking.
Edit: found it
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Without exclusives and free games as the main force attracting and retaining users, with time a chunk of those users will stop using EGS in favour of other (better) stores
I haven't seen this one yet. But it doesn't show more than 300 games a year. The document that person on Era was talking about dated from 2019.
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this one is interesting too .
.. the cost of EGS was like twice the revenue in 2019 ... but looking at the fortnite numbers .... they can burn hundrets of millions forever
.. the cost of EGS was like twice the revenue in 2019 ... but looking at the fortnite numbers .... they can burn hundrets of millions forever
Well, this one is the important one as so far we are heading to the not really big sceneario as numbers are not matching their initial thoughts.
Mostly as we have seen people are just waiting for other places to buy in general so they are doubling efforts in freebies but not in exclusives (atm)
I hope you're right. In the end I don't care if EGS succeeds or not. My only concern is that moneyhatting 3rd party games should not become the norm for "competition" on pc. That's what it's all about for me, so if that part doesn't work out for Epic, I'm happy.
Let's hope the flopping of Kingdom Hearts demotivates Epic even more to money hat expensive 3rd party games. These games must have costed them a 9 digit number at least.
Well, they didn't reach 54 exclusives last year and they aren't even half way lower number this 2021. so...I hope you're right. In the end I don't care if EGS succeeds or not. My only concern is that moneyhatting 3rd party games should not become the norm for "competition" on pc. That's what it's all about for me, so if that part doesn't work out for Epic, I'm happy.
Let's hope the flopping of Kingdom Hearts demotivates Epic even more to money hat expensive 3rd party games. These games must have costed them a 9 digit number at least.
1984 by the end of 2020
That is their plan. If you compare the actual P&L to the planned P&L, the EGS numbers are not that bad.
Epic sells 45% more than expected, and spends 30% more than expected, except for Support-a-Creator (55% more) but that is linked to the additional revenue.
Unfortunately we don't have specifics from 2020, and 2019 was the "hot year" of EGS in terms of engagement and publications, heck, it went full exclusivity and all, but 2020 was way more calmed so it would be interesting to see the numbers.
What's weird is the previous page shows them wanting >125 exclusives in 2021 so I'm not sure which one is correct. Also the "Catalog Titles" portion shows that they were probably supposed to open the store last year, but COVID threw everything off. Also the fact they want >1300 games per year by 2023 means they are eventually going to have to tackle discoverability.this one?
Am I the only one lost between cackling and making googly eyes at their expected market share capture by 2024? This is some Square-level of delusion. 50% if steam doesn't react, u wot m8. At the same time, it does speak volumes about Epic's intention and the risk they present as well as expectations for their behavior should they ever succeed.this one?
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