So what you are saying is that Epic losing more money is saving Epic Store exclusives from flopping even harder?Once again the coupons are saving Epic's recent moneyhatted games from flopping...
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Funny but true. We've seen the huge spikes in consumer spending during the Mega Sales with coupons in Epic's leaked documents.
While this may sound like a bad situation, it's probably more than worth it for Epic:
- lots of games that would have flopped at full price are selling decent numbers, which feeds their narrative that EGS is doing well
- increased consumer spending to please the suits and investors
- people aren't buying these games on Steam but are building a library on EGS instead
I see people already claiming that Epic's Mega Sales are now what the Steam sales used to be. Also, no doubt these coupons will motivate many devs to publish on EGS when the store opens up.
Epic is following Amazons strategy: burn lots of money in order to push (better) competitors out of business. It's sad to see people considering this as a good thing, because in the long run it definitely isn't healthy competition. But hey, people are getting €10 coupons so who cares
Do you have anything to back these claims up? I mean, based on actual numbers, people don't care about EGS outside free games and coupon sales.Funny but true. We've seen the huge spikes in consumer spending during the Mega Sales with coupons in Epic's leaked documents.
While this may sound like a bad situation, it's probably more than worth it for Epic:
- lots of games that would have flopped at full price are selling decent numbers, which feeds their narrative that EGS is doing well
- increased consumer spending to please the suits and investors
- people aren't buying these games on Steam but are building a library on EGS instead
I see people already claiming that Epic's Mega Sales are now what the Steam sales used to be. Also, no doubt these coupons will motivate many devs to publish on EGS when the store opens up.
Epic is following Amazons strategy: burn lots of money in order to push (better) competitors out of business. It's sad to see people considering this as a good thing, because in the long run it definitely isn't healthy competition. But hey, people are getting €10 coupons so who cares
The thing is, amazon might burn cash but they aren't really losing money. And in general their strategy is to build similar services for a better price, I mean they are (or at least were) selling the (base)Kindle at 0 profit.
But their policy is to benefit the customer(*), Epic on the other hand tries to benefit the publisher.
(*) There's an argument to be made about Amazon (and others) becoming such a big company but that's a discussion for another day.
Yeah, with the trial papers we can see spending greatly increases with each sale, it's pretty clear what they are doing.Funny but true. We've seen the huge spikes in consumer spending during the Mega Sales with coupons in Epic's leaked documents.
While this may sound like a bad situation, it's probably more than worth it for Epic:
- lots of games that would have flopped at full price are selling decent numbers, which feeds their narrative that EGS is doing well
- increased consumer spending to please the suits and investors
- people aren't buying these games on Steam but are building a library on EGS instead
I see people already claiming that Epic's Mega Sales are now what the Steam sales used to be. Also, no doubt these coupons will motivate many devs to publish on EGS when the store opens up.
Epic is following Amazons strategy: burn lots of money in order to push (better) competitors out of business. It's sad to see people considering this as a good thing, because in the long run it definitely isn't healthy competition. But hey, people are getting €10 coupons so who cares
I never said otherwise. But my point is that this situation still benefits Epic. Don't forget Epic's end goal isn't to convince consumers into using their store. Their goal to convince devs and publishers to release their games only on EGS. Exclusive games selling well and consumers buying games on EGS is mandatory to achieve this.
I've read some very interesting articles about Amazon's tactics to lower prices and force competitors to be bought by them or going out of business, but that's off-topic here.
IF THEY INCREASE WITH EACH SALE HOW IS IT THAT THEY NEVER DUPLICATE THEIR GAININGS!
(this is clearly a joke)
Yes I know about that, but that's a whole other discussion.I've read some very interesting articles about Amazon's tactics to lower prices and force competitors to be bought by them or going out of business, but that's off-topic here.
Epic isn't having the impact on the market that the Amazon strategy would imply. Theyre carving out a small section for themselves sure, but not really taking down the incumbent. Their attempt at this strategy is going to end up with them being an also-ran because they won't be able to lose lead long enough to actually take down Steam or other stores.
This is not based on anything other than my memory and current observation.
Based on ERA thread(s) and searching for "epic store" and "epic games" on Twitter and Reddit (r/epicgamespc, r/gamedeals, r/games, r/indiangaming) there seems to be far less talk about the actual sale (coupons) this time than it used to be and people are mainly talking about wherever NBA is a good or bad free giveaway.
Again, I can be completely wrong, but it's what I remember and currently see.
Based on ERA thread(s) and searching for "epic store" and "epic games" on Twitter and Reddit (r/epicgamespc, r/gamedeals, r/games, r/indiangaming) there seems to be far less talk about the actual sale (coupons) this time than it used to be and people are mainly talking about wherever NBA is a good or bad free giveaway.
Again, I can be completely wrong, but it's what I remember and currently see.
Genshin Impact?
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Moreover, when it comes to 2K, there are 3 unknown apps:
Earth
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Mercury
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Venus
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EpicData - Epic Games data tracker
This tool was made to give better insight into the Epic Games Store offers, items and another data.
Moreover, when it comes to 2K, there are 3 unknown apps:
Earth
EpicData - Epic Games data tracker
This tool was made to give better insight into the Epic Games Store offers, items and another data.
Mercury
EpicData - Epic Games data tracker
This tool was made to give better insight into the Epic Games Store offers, items and another data.
Venus
EpicData - Epic Games data tracker
This tool was made to give better insight into the Epic Games Store offers, items and another data.
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I have listed all the codenames for which we do not know the store page.
Genshin Impact is not in there, because there is no codename (the two entries are called DLC 01 and DLC 02).
If you go here:
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and there:
epicdatainfo.vercel.app
Then you should be able to find more info about each entry by filtering by codenames:
It is possible that there are dubious entries, because I have created this JSON file with a few hand-written rules.
For instance, with Angelfish, we get these:
and
and the Freedom Cry DLC gives away that the game is likely Assassin's Creed IV:
With a bit of investigation, I think it is possible to figure out a few upcoming games, including freebies.
On a sidenote, I am missing a few codenames, because I have used data from only one of the databases ("items" and not "offers").
For instance, the codename Reykjavik is missing, and it is for War Thunder.
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Genshin Impact is not in there, because there is no codename (the two entries are called DLC 01 and DLC 02).
If you go here:
EpicData - Epic Games data tracker
This tool was made to give better insight into the Epic Games Store offers, items and another data.
and there:
EpicData - Epic Games data tracker
This tool was made to give better insight into the Epic Games Store offers, items and another data.
Then you should be able to find more info about each entry by filtering by codenames:
It is possible that there are dubious entries, because I have created this JSON file with a few hand-written rules.
JSON:
{
"Epic Dev Test Account": [
"Angelfish",
"Bobolink",
"Abyssinian",
"Dovekie",
"Merganser",
"Owlet",
"SP_",
"Valkyrie",
"Whiting"
],
"Gameloft SE": [
"test_entry",
"dlc_standalone",
"dlc_test_iap_pack_1",
"dlc_test_iap_pack_2",
"dlc_test_iap_pack_3",
"dlc_test_iap_pack_4"
],
"Nicalis": [
"Barium",
"Lanthanum",
"Neodymium",
"Xenon"
],
"Ubisoft Entertainment": [
"Artemisia",
"Chartreux",
"Larimar",
"Mau"
],
"2K Games, Inc.": [
"Earth",
"Mercury",
"Venus"
],
"CD PROJEKT RED": [
"Panther",
"Sokoke"
],
"Epic Games": [
"Poodle",
"TestSDKDLC"
],
"Epic Games Publishing": [
"Lasagne",
"Starter Pack"
],
"Sega of America": [
"Alexandrite",
"Amethyst"
],
"Stardock Entertainment, Inc": [
"Caracal",
"Serval"
],
"Warner Bros.": [
"Hydra DLC",
"Hydra Game"
],
"2K Games CoreTech": [
"SoraConsumable"
],
"Anita-devGolden1's company": [
"anigolden1product1"
],
"Annapurna Interactive": [
"Owl"
],
"Another Indie Studio Limited": [
"Camel"
],
"Bigben Interactive": [
"Flamingo"
],
"Bossa Studios": [
"Minskin"
],
"Business Corp Inc": [
"Nix"
],
"Coatsink": [
"Centaur"
],
"Covalent Media dba Scavengers Studio": [
"Farfalle"
],
"Devolver Digital, Inc.": [
"Jade"
],
"Dovetail Games": [
"TrainSim"
],
"Epic Test Organization": [
"Magenta"
],
"Focus Home": [
"Sapphire"
],
"Hidden Path": [
"Jasmine"
],
"Humble Bundle": [
"AliceBlue"
],
"Jackbox Games, Inc.": [
"Crocus"
],
"Jin Onboard Demo": [
"jinonboarddemo"
],
"Marvelous Inc.": [
"Silver"
],
"Maximum Games": [
"Fregula"
],
"Oculus VR": [
"Bellflowers"
],
"Offworld Industries": [
"Squad"
],
"Passion Republic Games": [
"Lisbon"
],
"Plastic S.C.": [
"Beryl"
],
"PlayEveryWare, Inc.": [
"Californium"
],
"Service Delivery Train": [
"ServiceDelivery"
],
"Shaveta12": [
"shaveta12"
],
"Square Enix (Japan)": [
"Pineapple"
],
"Starform Inc.": [
"Phobos"
],
"Team17 Digital Ltd": [
"VermilionPeak"
],
"Triternion": [
"Lion"
],
"Vodeo Games": [
"Oncilla"
],
"jin onboard 01": [
"jinonboard7"
],
"shaveta12": [
"shaveta12"
],
"test tester": [
"shaveta32internal"
],
"tinyBuild Games": [
"Ursus"
]
}For instance, with Angelfish, we get these:
and
and the Freedom Cry DLC gives away that the game is likely Assassin's Creed IV:
With a bit of investigation, I think it is possible to figure out a few upcoming games, including freebies.
On a sidenote, I am missing a few codenames, because I have used data from only one of the databases ("items" and not "offers").
For instance, the codename Reykjavik is missing, and it is for War Thunder.
EpicData - Epic Games data tracker
This tool was made to give better insight into the Epic Games Store offers, items and another data.
EpicData - Epic Games data tracker
This tool was made to give better insight into the Epic Games Store offers, items and another data.
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Epic updated their most played game list for the first time in awhile. Amusingly, Football Manager 2020 is on the list, but not Football Manager 2021.
Out of the 25 games listed, only 4 are either not F2P or have never been given away (Satisfactory, Red Dead Redemption 2, Borderlands 3 and Snowrunner).Lots of F2P and freebies in that list
The old versions of FM get pulled whenever the newest one comes out. Also FM2020 was a freebie last year.
Looks like they replaced it with 2021 now.
lol that "no longer available" notice is word for word copy from Steam (expect for store name of course).
As if we needed any more clues it was all manually updated.
The thing about the "Past steam sales were 1000 times better" narrative is, that people didn't have massive backlogs and the whole digital library thing was new and exciting. Some bought digital versions of the games they already had as physical disks, but the majority just were new to digital gaming and couldn't believe the insane discounts.All those AAA games they didn't own could be bought for 50 to 90% off.Funny but true. We've seen the huge spikes in consumer spending during the Mega Sales with coupons in Epic's leaked documents.
While this may sound like a bad situation, it's probably more than worth it for Epic:
- lots of games that would have flopped at full price are selling decent numbers, which feeds their narrative that EGS is doing well
- increased consumer spending to please the suits and investors
- people aren't buying these games on Steam but are building a library on EGS instead
I see people already claiming that Epic's Mega Sales are now what the Steam sales used to be. Also, no doubt these coupons will motivate many devs to publish on EGS when the store opens up.
Epic is following Amazons strategy: burn lots of money in order to push (better) competitors out of business. It's sad to see people considering this as a good thing, because in the long run it definitely isn't healthy competition. But hey, people are getting €10 coupons so who cares
What I want to say: Unless Epic opens the floodgates, every new Mega sale will have diminishing returns, because the people who are willing to shop on EGS will have used those coupons on the games they want to buy and fewer and fewer big exclusives are coming to EGS.
People who moan for the days of old just want to pop up once every 6 months to buy games in bulk. Things have changed. It's time to grow up and start paying attention to sales and bundles throughout the year.
I have gone through some of the codenames. There are many for which we only know the seller (company).
The following sellers have 1 unknown game/application/tool.
The following sellers have several unknown games/applications/tools.
- Nicalis: 4 games
- 2K Games, Inc.: 3 games (including one with NCSoft?)
- 2K Games CoreTech: 2 tools
- CD PROJEKT RED: 2 games
- Stardock Entertainment, Inc: 2 games
The following sellers have 1 unknown game/application/tool.
- Anita-devGolden1's company
- Beamdog (Baldur, Neverwinter Nights, etc.)
- Bossa Studios (I am Fish I Am Fish)
- Coatsink (Moonglow Bay Coatsink ® - Purveyors of Stylish and Audacious Indie-Games.)
- Covalent Media dba Scavengers Studio (Season https://www.play-season.com/)
- Devolver Digital, Inc.
- Focus Home
- Gameloft SE
- Headup Gmbh (Headup)
- Hidden Path (Games - Hidden Path Entertainment)
- Humble Bundle
- Jackbox Games, Inc. (party games)
- Marvelous Inc. (Rune Factory 5? Story of Seasons?)
- Maximum Games (Curved Space Curved Space)
- Passion Republic Games (tools including ones for Demon Souls, Sekiro, etc. Passion Republic | Home)
- Plastic S.C.
- PlayEveryWare, Inc. (porting games like Among Us, Going Under, Superliminal, etc. PlayEveryWare)
- Service Delivery Train
- Square Enix (Japan)
- Starform Inc. Starform
- Team17 Digital Ltd (the studio behind Overcooked, Moving Out, The Escapists, etc.)
- Vodeo Games (possibly a typo)
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I wonder if Mordhau would be given out for free during this sale? It would be funny to see since Chivalry 2 is launching soon.
Based on this tracker EpicData - Epic Games data tracker along with the seller names and some of the DLC names.
Sometimes, the name is there in plain text, which makes it easier.
Sometimes, the DLC gives the name away.
Other times, it is a bit of a guess, and that is why there are still a lot of unknown games.
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I'd guess NBA 2K21 will be one of the games since there were strings found in the backend with numbers that match the currency in that game, and one of the documents in the Apple trial mentions a Fortnite collaboration with NBA. Also the playoffs start next week.
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Going through these old leaks from 2019, the following games are still missing from the EGS:
It is possible that some of them are tied to one of the codenames listed earlier.
If we look at these:
Then Anno 1503 and Rayman 3 would appear as 2 entries among:
- either the 4 unknown entries (
Bobolink,Dovekie,SP_,Valkyrie) from Epic Dev Test Account, - or the 3 unknown entries (
Artemisia,Chartreux,Mau) from Ubisoft Entertainment.
Moreover, now that I think about it, I suspect Fall Guys should be among the entries from "Epic Games Publishing".
Most likely the one with a Starter Pack and Coins, so codename
Beef, even though there is no Starter Pack on Steam and the currency should be Crowns instead of Coins. Maybe there would be a change of DLC offer with the F2P version. I cannot think of any other unreleased game published by EGP with micro-transactions.
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Epic has obfuscated one of the seller names which appeared earlier today.
Similarly, the DLC names are not helpful this time:
The good piece of news is that the codename does not look random this time: "SQ-Bridge". Not sure if linked to:
Reference:
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Larimar is the codename for an Ubisoft game in Gold Edition. It could be:
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Similarly, the DLC names are not helpful this time:
- DLC 001, 002, etc.
- In-game Currency 001, 002, etc.
- Monthly Pass 001, 002, etc.
- Skin 001, 002, etc.
The good piece of news is that the codename does not look random this time: "SQ-Bridge". Not sure if linked to:
Reference:
items-tracker/database/items/25c0a3281cc2490da393c9b841652f56.json at 6fb65c61cfbd368a2c7dd2b2c3e43be5da0dc828 · nachoaldamav/items-tracker
EpicGames Store items tracker. Check https://epicdata.info for more info - nachoaldamav/items-tracker
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Larimar is the codename for an Ubisoft game in Gold Edition. It could be:
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So I redeemed a free copy of NBA 2k21 from Epic, last time I opened my account was to redeem Subnautica. Apparently, downloads resets to 0% everytime you exit the launcher or turn off your PC. Game is 90gb I downloaded 20GB yesterday, I'm back at 0%. I cant with this fucking incompetence. Internet Download Manager resumes direct downloads a decade ago, why can't Epic do this? I should not complain since it's free. I guess I'll just redownload the game.
Some developers fell for Sweeney's snake-oil tactics and signed lifetime exclusivity deals. It was their choice and they have to live with it.
-Omen of Sorrow has announced Steam version but studio has been radio silent since last year in general (no communication at all)
-The Cycle is running a playtest on Steam right now hehe
-Corruption 2029 has confirmed that they want to release on Steam and other systems (console) but they haven't announced specifics)
-A knights Tale and Dangerous Driving are both completely abandoned by their respective developer teams.
-Rest I don't know.
True.
AutoChess and World War Z are lifetime exclusive games.
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Ah yes, the absolute best would be if users had that control other than not using the app. Apple being the only one that has even added such functionality at all to phones is why I went back to them. I wish I could just go into setting and have just one switch that blocked certain...
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As for Dauntless, we don't know.
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Feels like that all the devs got the money they wanted and felt that there is no need to do more for their respective games
This is a bit confusing because there was a moment last year or so in which quite a few people told me via Twitter that the game extended for an additional year the deal and they said so on an Interview, however no one provided me with such interview so, I don't know.
Edit: As for that lifetime list, I think some of those deals changed (in particular Ooblets and 10 Crowns are most likely coming at some point after the Early Access phase)
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This sort of stuff is why when people say 'its just a launcher' it really bugs me because its not.
Yes it is free but you still should be getting a service that is competent for 2021.
i guess you get what you pay for!
I looked into A Knights Quest. It seems the publisher even forgot it exists. Here's one thing they had to say on Reddit:
Where have you guys been since 2015?
We actually spent years on a large-scale zelda-like videogame, stayed quiet as we were sworn to secrecy by our publishers. However near the end of development it was ultimately taken over and completed by another development studio. Since then we've gone back to our roots of fast paced shooty-slashy action and are working on the next huge project. We're about a year into it and will make some official announcements when we have enough content to show!
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I guess Curve really wanted that deal.
And now Dangerous Driving... look at this 2 year old post from Reddit
I remember the twitter (?) drama when Omen of Sorrow went they made the deal and made fun of people.
And a year later all the promised DLC character were not available.
Then again I only remember that game when people metion it.
And a year later all the promised DLC character were not available.
Then again I only remember that game when people metion it.
Well, game is abandoned at this point, they were doing DD2 but no word since announcement.
Why support a game that will never make their guaranteed money back in 10 years.
just make another game that has no contract or COULD make another contract with new money.
*asshole devs who don't believe in growing a userbase
Assuming they're still working on DD2, I wonder if they go back to the EGS well for it or not. That blog post shows some serious anti-steam sentiments, but it doesn't look like EGS really helped them any in any of those same areas except for money.
with how badly is must've sold on egs - i don't think Tim will offer them another moneyhat
Today i found out that Unexplored 2 is on EGS.
Moneyhatting seems a bad way to kill post-release support of game
Devs accept the money bag, release half added game and then finally abandon it
Devs accept the money bag, release half added game and then finally abandon it
Remember when everyone was saying we'd get better games because 12%.would allow spending more time on game...
Add it to the list of lies around 12% helping consumers.
The smart devs used EGS as their live beta and released proper versions elsewhere after that, with a nice financial cushion to rest on. The ones not thinking ahead took the money without a post-EGS plan
just like we got lower prices because of the 12%
it'll all trickle down ... any day now