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Thanks for the replies you guys!

Ascheroth, haha yeah. I don't have any holes in the 4 star lineup (I collected them all!), but I wish I had a Zhong Li so bad. I'm going to try and grab him from the upcoming banner, but the dirty MiHoYo RNG gods sniffed out my plan in the past day and gave me a surprise Shenhe at pull 36 (resetting my 5 star 50/50 and ruining my 100% Zhong Li plan).

My issue with the Raiden/Benny/Xiangling/Xingqiu setup is that all of those characters are presently set up stats and arti wise (for me, personally) as either burst DPS or subDPS, nobody is set up as a primary carry. It would take a lotta work (and a lotta resin) to get that team fighting fit... Basically if i want to be able to have a fighting chance as is, the options for primary carry on Team A/Team B are Diluc and Eula (with Childe as the fringe option, with a bit of work).

Amzin, I'm a massive Jean fan as well. She and Diluc were my first 5 stars ever, and she's just so incredibly tanky and good at healing. My entire Genshin friend group have been screaming at me to sub her out for someone more "optimal" for a while now but I can't do it haha.

I would love to do the Childe+Beidou wombo combo but can't at present because I dont have the crucial Beidou C2 (shes presently C1). Still weighing as to whether I should pick her or Ning for my "free Liyue character" in the upcoming lantern rite, as I see shes also in the Zhong banner.

Since I pulled a Shenhe recently, one of my friends suggested Eula/Shenhe/Diona/Raiden as Team A, and Diluc/Kokomi/Xingqiu/Benny as Team B. Team A's healing looks a little suspect due to Jean getting replaced with Diona, but he assures that the shielding and massive Cryo energy generation will outweigh the healing loss. Also curious about Team B having both hydro and pyro resonance.

Any thoughts?
 

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Since I pulled a Shenhe recently, one of my friends suggested Eula/Shenhe/Diona/Raiden as Team A, and Diluc/Kokomi/Xingqiu/Benny as Team B. Team A's healing looks a little suspect due to Jean getting replaced with Diona, but he assures that the shielding and massive Cryo energy generation will outweigh the healing loss. Also curious about Team B having both hydro and pyro resonance.

Any thoughts?
Those two teams are nice and all, but if you're coming in with a newly rolled Shenhe then the resin and resources you said were an issue in getting the previously suggested teams to work are still a factor here. I levelled Shenhe over the course of a week and it was a lot of work. I suppose if you have some atk artifact sets around then making her a buffbot is doable, but there's a lot of farming to do regardless.

Past that, those 2 teams look pretty good. If your main carries are fairly optimized and subs are not far behind then getting a basic abyss clear shouldn't be an issue.
 

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My issue with the Raiden/Benny/Xiangling/Xingqiu setup is that all of those characters are presently set up stats and arti wise (for me, personally) as either burst DPS or subDPS, nobody is set up as a primary carry. It would take a lotta work (and a lotta resin) to get that team fighting fit... Basically if i want to be able to have a fighting chance as is, the options for primary carry on Team A/Team B are Diluc and Eula (with Childe as the fringe option, with a bit of work).
That's actually fine, the way that team works is by everyone being a burst dps, there's no real "primary carry" here, cause ideally you don't really have much downtime between spamming everyone's bursts, so no need to change anything build-wise.
Essentially Raiden is going to act as your primary carry during her Burst, driving all the other Bursts. It does mean you want some good energy recharge on everyone in this team, but they all want good energy recharge in general anyway, so hopefully yours should be fine the way they are if they already have some decent builds.


To be honest Shenhe is not going to make your resource pains better, cause the way she works means to make the most of her every other cryo character in the same team wants as many crit stats and cryo DMG% as possible.
I haven't tried her with Eula, on paper it sounds doable but not really ideal - funnily enough Diona probably benefits from Shenhe more than Eula.
I would just give it a try though if you want and see how things turn out if you already have her ready. If you'd still need to farm for her either way, I'd probably focus on other chars first.
 

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Shenhe doesn't do a lot for Eula, since Eula's only Cryo damage is her E so you're getting like 3 quill procs max if you do a full Eula E-Q-E-E-Swordfall rotation with her. Shenhe shreds physical resistance some right though? So not totally wasted but I just don't see it contributing much damage (Diona hold-E would proc I think 5 quills, and her burst does of course). If you happen to just have brilliant artifacts and ascension / talent mats for her she adds enough damage where maybe that's all you need. You do want a second cryo with Eula so you don't have to use ER sands or weapon and can burst on cooldown because that's like, 95% of her damage. Generally Eula teams are best when her support / dps have longer buffs and debuffs that allow her to sit on the field for those ~8 second intervals

Edit: One of the things I like about Eula actually is she doesn't require or massively benefit from a lot of the "usual" crew, so you can use them elsewhere. It does mean it can be hard to really amplify her much though. Obviously a bananas good Eula just needs some help shredding defense and not dying and she'll do the rest but not many people walking around with C6 there.
 

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Yeah Shenhe has up to 15% cryo/phys shred on her burst.
I also forgot her 2nd ascension passive gives her tap skill an unconditional teamwide 15% buff to skill and burst damage. I think the timing is fairly strict if you want Eula's burst to take advantage of it, but it should work out. (Or alternatively with the hold version Eula's normals will be buffed).
That might be enough of a value add to make up for the less than ideal quill usage.
She's complex 😅
 

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Yeah Shenhe has up to 15% cryo/phys shred on her burst.
I also forgot her 2nd ascension passive gives her tap skill an unconditional teamwide 15% buff to skill and burst damage. I think the timing is fairly strict if you want Eula's burst to take advantage of it, but it should work out. (Or alternatively with the hold version Eula's normals will be buffed).
That might be enough of a value add to make up for the less than ideal quill usage.
She's complex 😅
Yeah, I was thinking Shenhe Q, hold E for the boosted normals, then lay into fools with Eula Q then N4E (repeat until swordfall). Should I just junk Shenhe and use Jean instead? That would give me 2 healers on both teams, so I can facetank with Eula and Diluc if need be.

I also have enough extra "guest" artis laying around to give your "all burst, all the time" setup a spin, so we'll see how it goes haha.

Edit: One of the things I like about Eula actually is she doesn't require or massively benefit from a lot of the "usual" crew, so you can use them elsewhere. It does mean it can be hard to really amplify her much though. Obviously a bananas good Eula just needs some help shredding defense and not dying and she'll do the rest but not many people walking around with C6 there.
Obviously my Eula's not C6 (I'm a "dolphin" at best in terms of spending, maybe 400 bucks since launch inc. battlepass and welkins), but I have a L90 WGS on her and a 4-set of 5star L20 Pale Flames. The main issue I have is balancing the "keeping her alive" part with the "boosting her damage" part. I'm really just using Raiden to give her a constant source of electrocharge + Eula punching dudes in the face for my main damage source, but Jean and Diona wont really help a lot DPS wise save for in and out Jean E shots.
Those two teams are nice and all, but if you're coming in with a newly rolled Shenhe then the resin and resources you said were an issue in getting the previously suggested teams to work are still a factor here. I levelled Shenhe over the course of a week and it was a lot of work. I suppose if you have some atk artifact sets around then making her a buffbot is doable, but there's a lot of farming to do regardless.

Past that, those 2 teams look pretty good. If your main carries are fairly optimized and subs are not far behind then getting a basic abyss clear shouldn't be an issue.
Yeah, the idea of my friend was basically using Shenhe as a buffbot, 2x Glad + 2x Shimenawa. If you all don't think she's worth the trouble, fuck it its Jean time hahaha.
 

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Yeah, I was thinking Shenhe Q, hold E for the boosted normals, then lay into fools with Eula Q then N4E (repeat until swordfall). Should I just junk Shenhe and use Jean instead? That would give me 2 healers on both teams, so I can facetank with Eula and Diluc if need be.

I also have enough extra "guest" artis laying around to give your "all burst, all the time" setup a spin, so we'll see how it goes haha.


Obviously my Eula's not C6 (I'm a "dolphin" at best in terms of spending, maybe 400 bucks since launch inc. battlepass and welkins), but I have a L90 WGS on her and a 4-set of 5star L20 Pale Flames. The main issue I have is balancing the "keeping her alive" part with the "boosting her damage" part. I'm really just using Raiden to give her a constant source of electrocharge + Eula punching dudes in the face for my main damage source, but Jean and Diona wont really help a lot DPS wise save for in and out Jean E shots.

Yeah, the idea of my friend was basically using Shenhe as a buffbot, 2x Glad + 2x Shimenawa. If you all don't think she's worth the trouble, fuck it its Jean time hahaha.
Yeah I would probably try Eula/Raiden/Diona/Jean first if suvivability is your main issue and if you simply want to complete the Abyss, stars be damned (and since your Jean is already built).

So for the Raiden/Bennett/Xingqiu/Xiangling team, now I'm curious how you have them built 👀
What I'm using is:

Raiden: R5 Catch, 4p Emblem of Fate (Crit /Atk%/Atk%). Sitting at 220 ER I think.
Bennett: R5 Festering Desire, 4p Noblesse (don't remember the circlet, ER sand, Pyro).
Xiangling: Dragon's Bane, 4p Emblem (Crit/ER/Pyro)
Xingqiu: R4 Sacrificial Sword, 2p Noblesse, 2p Heart of Depth (Crit, Atk, Hydro)

I don't think Bennett's artifacts are actually that levelled since his Burst doesn't really need 'em 🙈
Xingqiu works with an Emblem set too, but it's not worth switching over if you already have another set on him that works.
Same with Xiangling, I just never farmed a set for her so she naturally got Raiden's hand-me-downs.
Xiangling would also work with an ER weapon and an Atk Sand instead (or keep the ER Sand and take the DPS loss in favor of a comfier rotation).

The main thing is that essentially you want all these characters built in a way that ideally their Burst is ready once the cool down ends. Which is something you want in all of their common builds anyway, which is why I said their build shouldn't really change.
Raiden just makes it easier since her Burst generates so much energy for the team and in theory it would allow you to build the other chars with more offense, but personally I think it's too much work, since you'd need to change the loadouts everytime you would use them without Raiden.



I like Shenhe well enough, but I honestly would recommend only investing into her after your have other teams that allow you to comfortably clear the abyss and the other stuff in the game. She's fine, but just so niche that you should work on your more universal characters first if you're thinking about efficient resource spending.

I could give that Eula/Shenhe/Raiden/Diona team a try later today though and tell how it works out.
(For the record, I also run her with Atk/Atk/Atk and 2p Shimenawa/ 2p Gladiator)
 
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Alright, so after giving it a try on the current Floors 11 and 12 here are my 2cents:

I've used Eula/Raiden/Jean/Diona on the first half and Ganyu/Zhongli/Barbara/Venti for the 2nd half.
9 stars floor 11, 5 stars floor 12 (that Ganyu team is honestly not that great, in 12-2 in particular it's a mess).

With the current enemy setup I can say that Eula/Raiden/Jean/Diona should be far more comfortable than Eula/Raiden/Shenhe/Diona, simply because you need Jean's teamwide healing against the Rifthounds, Diona ain't cutting it. To be fair, my Diona is crap because I don't like using her, but even if she were built better I have my doubts about the survivability of the team with her as the sole healer against the current line-up.

Diluc/Xingqiu/Kokomi/Bennett sounds fine for the 2nd half, since again you want Kokomi's healing here to stay on the safe side against the Rifthounds. 12-2 could be a bit of a pain because one of the Kenkis is cryo, but she's not like Barbara with her constant Aura so that should be fine.
 
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I stopped playing a bit after the Dragonspine update and there are a lot of things to do, so should I focus mainly in the story missions and later in leveling up characters and farming materials/items?
 

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Depending on your AR level, you might get stopped to continue the story.
But it's not related to your characters progression in any way unlike other gachas, you'll want to spend resin to gets whatever you need for them, and do the story and exploration when you want, so, do as you want really.

Though there may temporary events in places you haven't unlocked yet, so that's a thing to consider focusing on (but that won't be the case for a few weeks at least).

However, if you do unlock newer characters from Inazuma, you won't be able to ascend them until you get materials from there... especially true for Shenhe which asks for boss mats that you can't get until you've pretty much finished the entire story... they really need to work on that, for you it might be a matter of a few days, but for a new player...
 

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Yeah I would probably try Eula/Raiden/Diona/Jean first if suvivability is your main issue and if you simply want to complete the Abyss, stars be damned (and since your Jean is already built).

So for the Raiden/Bennett/Xingqiu/Xiangling team, now I'm curious how you have them built 👀
Raiden L82
WP: Catch R5 L90
Arti: 4pc Emblem ER/ATK/ATK
Benny L82
WP: Favonius Sword L90
Arti: Noblesse 4pc ER/Pyro/healing bonus (ER 256%)
Xingqiu L80/80
WP: Flute L80/90
Arti: 4pc Emblem (ATK/ATK/CDMG)

Xiangling is basically just levels (not a big fan), her arti sets would just be hand me downs and borrowed stuff. She's got a Skyward Spine, but can borrow a L85 Dragon's Bane from my idle Hu Tao. For the sword guys, I can loan a high level Black Sword or Lions Roar from Jean and Keqing. As you can see, my subDPS guys are kind of in a sorry state haha.
Alright, so after giving it a try on the current Floors 11 and 12 here are my 2cents:

I've used Eula/Raiden/Jean/Diona on the first half and Ganyu/Zhongli/Barbara/Venti for the 2nd half.
9 stars floor 11, 5 stars floor 12 (that Ganyu team is honestly not that great, in 12-2 in particular it's a mess).

With the current enemy setup I can say that Eula/Raiden/Jean/Diona should be far more comfortable than Eula/Raiden/Shenhe/Diona, simply because you need Jean's teamwide healing against the Rifthounds, Diona ain't cutting it. To be fair, my Diona is crap because I don't like using her, but even if she were built better I have my doubts about the survivability of the team with her as the sole healer against the current line-up.

Diluc/Xingqiu/Kokomi/Bennett sounds fine for the 2nd half, since again you want Kokomi's healing here to stay on the safe side against the Rifthounds. 12-2 could be a bit of a pain because one of the Kenkis is cryo, but she's not like Barbara with her constant Aura so that should be fine.
Thank you so much for actually taking time out to roadtest the setup! Gives me a lot more confidence to just fill out the Diona gaps and finalize Team A without worrying about it being a waste of time (again). (Edit: and thank you also for confirming my suspicion that solo Diona wouldnt cut it. Never trust the midgets.)

My big problem now is Kokomi, its going to be a pain in the rear getting her up to speed but its better that I burn the resources on her instead of Shenhe. Cheers, Asch! :cat-heart-blob:

One last thing: Would you recommend I pull for Zhong or Ganyu in the next banner? I feel that Zhong is more useful in more teams, but Ganyu lighting stuff up from range with the ice nades sounds appealing. I should go with Zhong, right?
I stopped playing a bit after the Dragonspine update and there are a lot of things to do, so should I focus mainly in the story missions and later in leveling up characters and farming materials/items?
I'd try and focus on the story missions as your AR level allows, just to make sure you can join as many of the upcoming events as possible. You'll know when you need to stop and build up your characters a bit.

If you stopped playing shortly after Dragonspine, theres a lot of great content between then and the present game state, it'll be a fun ride! :drinking-blob:
 
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I stopped playing a bit after the Dragonspine update and there are a lot of things to do, so should I focus mainly in the story missions and later in leveling up characters and farming materials/items?
I would focus on story/exploration while using the daily resin to upgrade a small core group of characters that work for you and can carry you through the content.
What we're talking about is basically super end-game 😅

Raiden L82
WP: Catch R5 L90
Arti: 4pc Emblem ER/ATK/ATK
Benny L82
WP: Favonius Sword L90
Arti: Noblesse 4pc ER/Pyro/healing bonus (ER 256%)
Xingqiu L80/80
WP: Flute L80/90
Arti: 4pc Emblem (ATK/ATK/CDMG)

Xiangling is basically just levels (not a big fan), her arti sets would just be hand me downs and borrowed stuff. She's got a Skyward Spine, but can borrow a L85 Dragon's Bane from my idle Hu Tao. For the sword guys, I can loan a high level Black Sword or Lions Roar from Jean and Keqing. As you can see, my subDPS guys are kind of in a sorry state haha.
Nah Skyward is fine on Xiangling, that way you could go with an Atk sand. I just used Dragon's Bane because at the time I literally didn't have anything else and it works well enough that I can't be bothered to change it :D
But yeah, Xingqiu would really want a Sacrificial Sword, but if you don't have one, nothing you can do. Still something you could give a try and see how it works out as-is for fun, but you're probably better off with the other teams right now.

Thank you so much for actually taking time out to roadtest the setup! Gives me a lot more confidence to just fill out the Diona gaps and finalize Team A without worrying about it being a waste of time (again). (Edit: and thank you also for confirming my suspicion that solo Diona wouldnt cut it. Never trust the midgets.)

My big problem now is Kokomi, its going to be a pain in the rear getting her up to speed but its better that I burn the resources on her instead of Shenhe. Cheers, Asch! :cat-heart-blob:
Diona shouls usually be fine I think, but not against the current floor 12 line-up.
Which reminds me, that, uh... floors 11 and 12 are gonna change... in 2 days? 😬
I think I remember the new lineup being more of a pain, but I say this everytime it changes and usually it's "fine" 🤞
Still, if you can try and see if you can squeeze through with your current characters. Wouldn't worry too much about Kokomi, just give her a Thrilling Tales catalyst and some random HP/Healing Bonus stuff to keep you alive.
I know the next floor 12 isn't gonna have the Rifthounds anymore, so you probably won't need her that much in that particular team at that time anymore, but it should still "work".

One last thing: Would you recommend I pull for Zhong or Ganyu in the next banner? I feel that Zhong is more useful in more teams, but Ganyu lighting stuff up from range with the ice nades sounds appealing. I should go with Zhong, right?
I'm biased because I've essentially been maining Ganyu for a year now and Zhongli is essentuially in every team since I got him ~8 months ago. so.... both :grimacing-face:

But realistically speaking I'd probably say Zhongli if you had to choose. He is gonna make the game and Abyss clears just a whole a lot comfier. They're introducing enemies and mechanics here and there that target him but he's still extremly useful almost everywhere.
 

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Diona shouls usually be fine I think, but not against the current floor 12 line-up.
Which reminds me, that, uh... floors 11 and 12 are gonna change... in 2 days? 😬
I think I remember the new lineup being more of a pain, but I say this everytime it changes and usually it's "fine" 🤞
Still, if you can try and see if you can squeeze through with your current characters. Wouldn't worry too much about Kokomi, just give her a Thrilling Tales catalyst and some random HP/Healing Bonus stuff to keep you alive.
I know the next floor 12 isn't gonna have the Rifthounds anymore, so you probably won't need her that much in that particular team at that time anymore, but it should still "work".


I'm biased because I've essentially been maining Ganyu for a year now and Zhongli is essentuially in every team since I got him ~8 months ago. so.... both :grimacing-face:

But realistically speaking I'd probably say Zhongli if you had to choose. He is gonna make the game and Abyss clears just a whole a lot comfier. They're introducing enemies and mechanics here and there that target him but he's still extremly useful almost everywhere.
Welp, I didn't make this abyss cutoff, obviously. :face-with-stuck-out-tongue-and-winking-eye: Just too many holes to fix in time... but yeah, our conversation gave me a lot of perspective about what needs fixing, and I'm confident I can pull it off after I finish my "repairs". Kokomi already has an R5 TTDS, so its just leveling up her abilities a bit more and getting a Clam set, upgrade Diona and Xingqiu's artifact sets a bit more, and bite the bullet on better Crimson Witch upgrades for Diluc. After playing around with the team order, I figured that it was Team B (the Diluc team) that was killing us, and true enough after making some upgrades I squeezed a few more stars out the earlier levels. I have direction now, woohoo! :partyblob: Dropping Shenhe was a really good call.

Already begun saving my primos and free wishes for the Zhong banner, hopefully they don't screw me over on the 50/50 lol.
 

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Wow, I forgot a lot about Windtrace, I liked it last time.
Now I just afk because it's probably the least interesting thing that ever happened in this game... there's just nothing going in prop hunt, such a boring game mode, no surprise it's dead everywhere.
 

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Windtrace is fun, but I've only played the bare minimum this time. Like, I don't afk cause I wanna win if I'm playing, but I haven't played that many matches.

I'm just spending my team building Qiqi teams this patch tbh, lol.
Finally got a crit rate circlet from the clam set so both Qiqi and Barbara have a complete set now. Next up getting Qiqi to 80/90 and boost them talents.
After that will be Yun Jin and Chongyun. I haven't checked yet cause I was focusing on Clam, but I should have a bunch of Def% Husk artifacts for Yun Jin by now. Don't really know what artifacts Chongyun wants, but I guess 2p Gladiator or Shimenawa + 2p Blizzard Strayer should be alright. Actually scratch that. He seems made for 4p Noblesse, especially with Shenhe in mind.
 

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Got Qiqi ascended today, so I took this WIP team for a test-drive in the lower abyss levels, and it's pretty fun.


Qiqi isn't completely built yet and Yun Jin isn't built at all, to the point where I could have probably left her out entirely and it wouldn't have made a difference, but still. It feels like it already does decent damage and you're basically immortal.
Switched them around for Floor 10 but only got 8 stars cause I miscalculated the Herald shield. I thought I could cheese it with Raiden's burst, but forgot that she doesn't regen energy when hitting shields, so.... yeah. Could probably use Chongyun instead of Yun Jin here.

Not gonna bother trying this with higher floors until I've levelled some more talents and artifacts though.
 

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I got Qiqi just after the new set dropped, which I farmed the heck out of since apparently I love me some Geo characters. She is fun to just either build a team around or throw into something for extra heals/dps. Yun Jin seems like a natural fit for on-field Qiqi but my Yun is lacking a bit still.
 

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I got Qiqi just after the new set dropped, which I farmed the heck out of since apparently I love me some Geo characters. She is fun to just either build a team around or throw into something for extra heals/dps. Yun Jin seems like a natural fit for on-field Qiqi but my Yun is lacking a bit still.
The Clam set was the best thing that came out of last patch. Qiqi and Barbara redemption arc!
I'm honestly pretty surprised how well they are keeping unit balance and instead of power creeping things out of existence constantly actually find ways to pull underappreciated characters up with new artifact sets or other units that synergize well.

I feel like C6 Rosaria might be a better fit instead of Yun Jin for cryo resonance and the extra physical res shred in this team, but since I only have her at C1 that's not an option, lol. But I don't know how much damage a built Yun Jin actually adds, so I could be completely wrong. I will find out eventually.
 

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The Clam set was the best thing that came out of last patch. Qiqi and Barbara redemption arc!
I'm honestly pretty surprised how well they are keeping unit balance and instead of power creeping things out of existence constantly actually find ways to pull underappreciated characters up with new artifact sets or other units that synergize well.

I feel like C6 Rosaria might be a better fit instead of Yun Jin for cryo resonance and the extra physical res shred in this team, but since I only have her at C1 that's not an option, lol. But I don't know how much damage a built Yun Jin actually adds, so I could be completely wrong. I will find out eventually.
I think my ideal Qiqi team would be like - Qiqi, Beidou, Rosaria, Yun Jin. But my Ros isn't C6 either so it's less beneficial. Similar concept to Eula team of cryo resonance + electro for phys shredding.
 

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I like when characters have lore-appropriate synergy, like Chongyun and Shenhe working well to maximize Shenhe's buff, since each character gets their own 5/7 hits of bonus damage.
 

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Working my way up the Abyss with my Qiqi team.
Replacing Yun Jin with (the equally unbuilt) Chongyun did indeed net me the last star against the Herald on Floor 10 and I used the same setup to 9* floor 11.
(Ganyu/Shenhe/Barbara/Venti on side 1, Qiqi/Raiden/Xingqiu/Chongyun on side 2).

Then I went into floor 12 with this setup which was a terrible mistake, lol. Got 1* on the first chamber and quit on the 2nd.
The Qiqi team actually did very well, but the first team is terrible against bosses, and no shield is doubly bad against the big boss vishap on floor 12.
Have to rethink my options. Don't really see a good team that I could run that would leave the Qiqi team intact, so I might have to go Cryo Qiqi (Qiqi/Chongyun/Shenhe/Ganyu or something like that) on side 2 :thinking-face:

(Yes, I just really want to use a Qiqi team for the heck of it 😅 )
 
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