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Basically, the game looks awesome, impressive even. but the animations are a bit "odd", and the gameplay is a bit on the slow-side.
It's fun. but it feels a bit "clunky", and unfluid.
I had the same feeling when I started playing. But the slow-paced gameplay will make sense in the later, more complex levels, which are like mazes with lots of moving parts.

The game reminds me a lot of R-type, which I played and enjoyed a lot when I was young.
 

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Downunder.
I don't really expect to read something like this from you. It's the kinda drek you see on Era's gaming side whenever platform warriors feel threatened by mobile gaming's meteoric rise. Which seems to be quite frequently these days.

Now, I'm disappointed the next mainline NieR isn't an AAA or even AA non-mobile experience myself. Believe me I am. But to just sweep such a diverse platform of games under the rug as all "trash" is kinda rude to devs who actually try, and well... ignorant?

I've put more time into mobile games the last two years than all my other owned platforms combined. And you know how much Siege I play lol. There are some great mobile games out there which weave wonderful tales, and maybe like portable systems, mobile gaming doesn't deliver the full "gameplay experience" people are used to on Home Console/PC, but gosh darn it if my time on mobile games hasn't been just as fulfilling.

The creative staff alone behind NieR Re[in]carnation pretty much ensures it will be anything but trash. Add on top of that an actual effort from SE, the fact that they stated they'll be skipping the usual trappings of mobile games... There is no need to be so dismissive.

Heck, maybe it comes to PC/Consoles someday anyway. How many mobile ports we get these days? It's a lot right? And a lot of them are highly regarded!
Maybe lash is referring to the gacha mechanics aspect of some mobage might have? But having said that, I'm not sure if Reincarnation will have gacha (I haven't done any research into it).

FWIW, I think mobage can be fun even with some light gacha mechanics. I enjoyed what little I played of Girls' Frontline, at least.
 

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I think I'm in the mood for some RPG light openish game.
Eyeing Greedfall / Elex / Vampyr
 
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All good games in their own way but I suggest going with Vampyr if you want light RPG elements. Greedfall and especially Elex have deeper RPG mechanics.
Oh better more on the RPG side than the opposite, not an issue I think.

Greedfall is still a little steep, and there is a little too much of a Bioware vibe in there at first glimpse. And I'm not sure how much of the setting will click with me. But it's also the most original of the lot I suppose.
Elex mainly interests me for the absence of level scaling, what a fucking refreshing thing to have to avoid some areas for a change (sad state of affairs).
Vampyr is a clear third choice. While I'm genuinely interested, combat looks boring as hell and I fear having a hard time xp wise because I'm an irredeemable good guy and may not have the level for fights.
 

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Vampyr is a clear third choice. While I'm genuinely interested, combat looks boring as hell and I fear having a hard time xp wise because I'm an irredeemable good guy and may not have the level for fights.
The game is very well balanced in giving you the tools to complete it regardless of the choices you make, so that's not really a problem. The combat is pretty bad, yeah, no denying that. It's still pretty unique though and I'd say it's a perfect experience for when you're looking for something more on the narrative side.

Greedfall is pretty good, sadly the limits due to the low budget are still there but it's by far the most polished game Spiders ever made.

I never played Elex myself but I've heard good things about it. Like that at the start you would lose a fight against a mosquito. :ROFLMAO:
 
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Never played the game, Wasn't really interested in it either but this is a cool channel. Good stuff.
It also amazes me that people can have so many thoughts about video games. I couldn't muster half that out of a game I love much less something I just played and casually liked.
 
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In terms of mobile games, sure there are a lot of shit games, but there are a lot of very fun games to. Like FE Heroes, Mario Run, Threes, Sky, Pocket Mini Golf and Monument Valley.
 

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Oh better more on the RPG side than the opposite, not an issue I think.

Greedfall is still a little steep, and there is a little too much of a Bioware vibe in there at first glimpse. And I'm not sure how much of the setting will click with me. But it's also the most original of the lot I suppose.
Elex mainly interests me for the absence of level scaling, what a fucking refreshing thing to have to avoid some areas for a change (sad state of affairs).
Vampyr is a clear third choice. While I'm genuinely interested, combat looks boring as hell and I fear having a hard time xp wise because I'm an irredeemable good guy and may not have the level for fights.
Elex is pretty good if you're into weird PB worlds. No level scaling and fixed loot helps the RPG aspect, if you're looking for actual choices and consequences and not a palette swap of an NPC with blue reward instead of green reward, that's the game.
On the other hand, combat is pretty damn poor, slow, clunky and buggy. It's much, much easier if you use guns. Aaand the UI is awful, if not outright lying concerning your stats, consumables are also harder to sue than they should be.

Vampyr I didn't like how it plays, nor the atmosphere, nor anything really. But it's not like I bothered, so.
 
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Elex is pretty good if you're into weird PB worlds. No level scaling and fixed loot helps the RPG aspect, if you're looking for actual choices and consequences and not a palette swap of an NPC with blue reward instead of green reward, that's the game.
On the other hand, combat is pretty damn poor, slow, clunky and buggy. It's much, much easier if you use guns. Aaand the UI is awful, if not outright lying concerning your stats, consumables are also harder to sue than they should be.

Vampyr I didn't like how it plays, nor the atmosphere, nor anything really. But it's not like I bothered, so.
The UI is that thing that really got to me. The sheer lack of color coordination or even single fuck given to the fact that you have a bright, ugly turquoise bar in there among three other colors. I don't know, it really pissed me off in the way it denoted a complete absence of care or common tense regarding UI design. It felt like a very rough alpha prototype in that respect.
 

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Pretty interesting video about the history of Mirror's Edge.


And in the best "everytime someone mentions Deus Ex, someone re-installs Deus Ex" style, I'm reinstalling Mirror's Edge right now and I'm going to do what's probably my tenth run.
 

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Ive woken up today with a weird impulse to play Final Fantasy XIII. I dont know why. I last played it about a year or so after it first released. Got about 15 hours in before getting bored/drifting off to other games. I remember the combat being......ok?.....good?

And i remember that mums are tough.
It's pretty common to wake up wanting to play a good game
 

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I do not think anybody is afraid that mobile/smartphone games are going to replace console/PC games.
And sure there are some descent mobile games, but the most successful ones seem to be build upon ridicilous exploitative game mechanics. Even worse, those mechanics started to spill over into pc and console gaming. And some people will point out that EA started everything with FIFA, but those micro-transaction made a nice round trip imo.
Personally, I've stopped installing and caring about games on my tablets and smartphones a long time ago. It's an industry that became so annoying to deal with, that I only saw one way forward: completely ignore them.
So yes, if I see a new big, beloved franchise go to mobile, I fear for the worst, most exploitative game mechanics possible and all I do is role my eyes and ignore the game on said platform.
 

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Ive woken up today with a weird impulse to play Final Fantasy XIII. I dont know why. I last played it about a year or so after it first released. Got about 15 hours in before getting bored/drifting off to other games. I remember the combat being......ok?.....good?

And i remember that mums are tough.
I thought that the combat system was the most interesting thing about the game... everything else though? I rank it below FFX-2.

Everybody kept saying "but it opens up after 30 hours!"... yup, true... but then it transforms in some sort of MMORPG style grind-fest. That's when I downloaded a trainer and gave myself insta-kill powers just to reach the end!
 
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WHAAAAT??

A sequel out of nowhere! Less than a month too.
you're welcome :)

I don't really expect to read something like this from you. It's the kinda drek you see on Era's gaming side whenever platform warriors feel threatened by mobile gaming's meteoric rise. Which seems to be quite frequently these days.

Now, I'm disappointed the next mainline NieR isn't an AAA or even AA non-mobile experience myself. Believe me I am. But to just sweep such a diverse platform of games under the rug as all "trash" is kinda rude to devs who actually try, and well... ignorant?

I've put more time into mobile games the last two years than all my other owned platforms combined. And you know how much Siege I play lol. There are some great mobile games out there which weave wonderful tales, and maybe like portable systems, mobile gaming doesn't deliver the full "gameplay experience" people are used to on Home Console/PC, but gosh darn it if my time on mobile games hasn't been just as fulfilling.

The creative staff alone behind NieR Re[in]carnation pretty much ensures it will be anything but trash. Add on top of that an actual effort from SE, the fact that they stated they'll be skipping the usual trappings of mobile games... There is no need to be so dismissive.

Heck, maybe it comes to PC/Consoles someday anyway. How many mobile ports we get these days? It's a lot right? And a lot of them are highly regarded!
sorry ... it was just my mental shorthand for all the exploitative crap the vast majority of mobile games have in them ...

Maybe lash is referring to the gacha mechanics aspect of some mobage might have?
i was, yes

But having said that, I'm not sure if Reincarnation will have gacha (I haven't done any research into it).
it will :(

I do not think anybody is afraid that mobile/smartphone games are going to replace console/PC games.
And sure there are some descent mobile games, but the most successful ones seem to be build upon ridicilous exploitative game mechanics. Even worse, those mechanics started to spill over into pc and console gaming. And some people will point out that EA started everything with FIFA, but those micro-transaction made a nice round trip imo.
Personally, I've stopped installing and caring about games on my tablets and smartphones a long time ago. It's an industry that became so annoying to deal with, that I only saw one way forward: completely ignore them.
So yes, if I see a new big, beloved franchise go to mobile, I fear for the worst, most exploitative game mechanics possible and all I do is role my eyes and ignore the game on said platform.
pretty much exactly this ... all of it
 

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Yeah, stopped caring too.
I wasn't a hater, I used to play games on mobile, but that's a long time ago. It seems the industry never could find a sustainable monetization scheme.
Good new games seem to have dried down. Maybe it's an optic issue, and the appstore curation sure doesn't help that's for sure.

The execution of every 32 bits games sure was a bad move too. It showed that your purchases aren't worth anything. So why buy something after that ?
I'm still salty over the loss of many good games.
 

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Apple Arcade offers a pretty cool selection of mobile games right now. Too bad you have to accept their subscription model even if you only care about a handful of those games and, on top of that, you need to have an Apple device and they're securing games through exclusivity contracts. I played and enjoyed a few of those but I don't care enough to stay subscribed so I just stopped after a few months.
 
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I played my second match of Bleeding Edge today (and my team won! also, I got the most kills :eek:), and I'll say it again: the game is a lot of fun.
If the developers add more content, and reduce the price-tag, I hope it may find an audience, because the game is very enjoyable. The maps seem like they came from Unreal Tournament (full of ramps, jump platforms, nice verticality), and the game controls rather wonderfully, with a diverse cast of characters.

If the game is to "die", I hope Ninja Theory take this gameplay and characters, and makes a single-player game with them, because it would be a waste to throw away these mechanics.
 
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Apple Arcade offers a pretty cool selection of mobile games right now. Too bad you have to accept their subscription model even if you only care about a handful of those games and, on top of that, you need to have an Apple device and they're securing games through exclusivity contracts. I played and enjoyed a few of those but I don't care enough to stay subscribed so I just stopped after a few months.
I Captain Sparrowed my way through What the Golf while waiting for the Steam version. Incredible fun game.

Im just hoping Grindstone will hit PC.
 
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Pretty interesting video about the history of Mirror's Edge.


And in the best "everytime someone mentions Deus Ex, someone re-installs Deus Ex" style, I'm reinstalling Mirror's Edge right now and I'm going to do what's probably my tenth run.
Wish they had made a second one instead of whatever the fuck Catalyst was supposed to be.
 
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An off topic question

I haven't been doing wev design for several years so I haven't been checking the trend in this area. I also don't have a 4k display. But do web designers design layouts to also work with 4k displays?
I checked a few popular websites and these don't work with 4k resolution. One big example is Facebook, not even the new layout is designed for 4k

Should I care about 4k resolution?
 
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An off topic question

I haven't been doing web design for several years so I haven't been checking the trend in this area. I also don't have a 4k display. But do web designers design layouts to also work with 4k displays?
I checked a few popular websites and these don't work with 4k resolution. One big example is Facebook, not even the new layout is designed for 4k

Should I care about 4k resolution?
not really, no ... not yet ... gonna be a few more years

the VAST majority of displays are still 1080p, and that's not gonna change any time soon
 
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My new monitor which I got for christmas in 2019 is also 1080p, even when my old monitor I had for 8 years was 1080p.

I would rather want 1080 and 60+fps than 4k and dips below 60 fps.
 
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I do not think anybody is afraid that mobile/smartphone games are going to replace console/PC games.
And sure there are some descent mobile games, but the most successful ones seem to be build upon ridicilous exploitative game mechanics. Even worse, those mechanics started to spill over into pc and console gaming. And some people will point out that EA started everything with FIFA, but those micro-transaction made a nice round trip imo.
Personally, I've stopped installing and caring about games on my tablets and smartphones a long time ago. It's an industry that became so annoying to deal with, that I only saw one way forward: completely ignore them.
So yes, if I see a new big, beloved franchise go to mobile, I fear for the worst, most exploitative game mechanics possible and all I do is role my eyes and ignore the game on said platform.
I play mobile game on my PC :evilblob:
 

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My new monitor which I got for christmas in 2019 is also 1080p, even when my old monitor I had for 8 years was 1080p.

I would rather want 1080 and 60+fps than 4k and dips below 60 fps.
Yeah same. I game on the TV which can do 4k but as i sit a couple of metres away it doesnt really have any benefit so i usually stick to 1080p to maintain 60fps. Much rather a smooth high frame rate than higher rez.
 

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I would assume a 3080 would be overwill for 1080p considering my current 1080 is overkill in the majorrity of games I have played and I play them all maxed out graphically with things like chromatic a, film grain etc, motion blur etc. disabled.

However I view being overkill for 1080p as more future proof.

Wherever I upgrade my whole PC when Ampere and Intel/AMDs new CPUs are out depends on if my current 5820k 4 ghz OC'd will bottleneck the 3080. But according to readings online, 1080p is more GPU driven than CPU driven. If I would want to jump to 4K then it seems like I need to ugprade my CPU, but I have no interest in jumping to 4K.
 

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Do they hate money? Because at least stuff like GBF also can be played on a web browser
I dunno why they hate/used to hate emulators, I know they used to break compatibility often with updates and the game, before the engine update that JP has, it had a boatload of anti-emu code which also kills performance on iOS/android mobile devices.
NA is still stuck before said engine update.

I think they used (?) to do this because they thought it would prevent people from mass rerolling new accs and selling them

As for the money they rake in a ton already and maybe they actually thought that course of action was better

 
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In terms of mobile games, sure there are a lot of shit games, but there are a lot of very fun games to. Like FE Heroes, Mario Run, Threes, Sky, Pocket Mini Golf and Monument Valley.
No doubt about this. But mobile gaming earned it's shitty reputation among many gamers because of their predatory pay2win micro transactions. It's extremely hard to find the decent games between all this crap.
 
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No double about that. But mobile gaming earned it's shitty reputation among many gamers because of their predatory pay2win micro transactions. It's extremely hard to find the decent games between all this crap.
Yeah, I can't even see thatgamecompanys Sky on any of the "lists" on Google Play Store. It's a great game, but I want it on a bigger screen, so hopefully the PC version won't take long.
 
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Yeah, I can't even see thatgamecompanys Sky on any of the "lists" on Google Play Store. It's a great game, but I want it on a bigger screen, so hopefully the PC version won't take long.
it's hard to be on the lists if your game is not f2p/gacha/waifu/moba/battleroyale
 

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My new monitor which I got for christmas in 2019 is also 1080p, even when my old monitor I had for 8 years was 1080p.

I would rather want 1080 and 60+fps than 4k and dips below 60 fps.
I've upgraded to 1440p/144Hz and I think that might be the sweetspot for me, now that I've had it for some months. The increase in resolution and pixel density is great compared to my secondary 1080p monitor, but isn't as taxing as 4k, allowing for higher FPS. And I definitely won't get another display without FreeSync or Gsync now. That thing is legitimately a game changer, much more noticeable than higher FPS.
 

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Anyone wan my Halo 2 Flight Steam beta key?

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Thank you very much! :face-throwing-a-kiss: Downloading.
Wish they had made a second one instead of whatever the fuck Catalyst was supposed to be.
If Catalyst were a sequel and instead of doubling down on combat they had remove it game would not be so bad, parkour and the world are really enjoyable, everything else is fucking depressing.
 
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