Then I'm sorry to say that you are being disrespectful and this is wrong of you. You do not get to judge people like this. You are also misrepresenting the point, they want the industry standard not to rise. Not a free lunch.i am deriding people for thinking they have a right to buy a video game day one at the price they want and get that price forever, yes. buying day one is not something you need to do, that is a luxury that you should decide for yourself if you want.
That's completely misrepresenting the point. We simply do not want the baseline of the prices to increase, which affects every sale going forward.i can only imagine some of you protesting outside of starbucks cause "coffee should only cost $1" when there's plenty of other places to get coffee and you probably have coffee beans at home too.
I mainly don't see too big a problem because most of the actually great games were in the past. I'm not even joking when I say that if I forced myself to play a lot of the newest CoD or Destiny or something, and I paid $70 for the game, then another $40 for an expansion. Then stressing about earning weapons in their limited window of availability. Trudging through the boring gameplay. Then $50 for the paid DLC, then another $40 for the DLC, then they REMOVED MY ABILITY TO PLAY THE FIRST $110 WORTH OF PURCHASES so they could sell me the following $100 expansion. Well, that'd cause MORE mental health problems for fucking sure, as well as making me fucking enraged just thinking about it.In a society that tries to push the notion that the more spare money you have to purchase useless shit you like, the happier and better person you are, I really cannot understand why people can't see the problem with raising prices for games. You don't buy into that idea? Fine, I'm happy for you, but maybe try to look beyond your own personal situation? The fact is that this shitty notion has crawled into the mind of the vast majority of people and having to renounce getting something they used to be able to afford is going to make a lot of people more miserable because they'll feel part of a lesser group in society (back to the notion 'the more shit you buy, the better you are as a human being'). Richer folks will still be able to enjoy a game on day one, just like you did up until a few months ago, you'll suddenly won't anymore and you'll be left out, with obvious repercussions on your mental health.
no for some reason it's important to pretend game pass is bad when talking about game pricesI mean, Microsoft approach for next-gen is to allow as many people as possible to play games, not just rich people or the middle class.
Because Gamepass is a subscription, thus a different business model and so irrelevant to this discussion I can't really summon the energy to explain why it's only circumstancially good value.no for some reason it's important to pretend game pass is bad when talking about game prices
Are you this naive or are you just pretending to be for the sake of an argument?no for some reason it's important to pretend game pass is bad when talking about game prices
In an ideal world, it'd be a great incentive. My cynical views tell me it's just the next step in even bigger reduction of player's control over games. People being able to play whatever they want and whenever they want works against publishers, so it makes sense they'd want to kill that and force you to play only what they feed you at the time.no for some reason it's important to pretend game pass is bad when talking about game prices
i would and i have. 90% of the time i am not buying a $60 game but sometimes an exception is made. to me that is a luxury to get a game day one or a book day one or spending extra on whatever.Are you telling me you wouldn't make an exception and buy a sequel or continuation of a story in hardcover you really love? You'd really be willing to wait another six months?
I don't think that would happen.We simply do not want the baseline of the prices to increase, which affects every sale going forward.
It's like people never witnessed any new business open in their neighborhood. I remember a doughnut store opening near me. At first they sold amazing doughnuts for 2.50 PLN and had massive queues. Now they're selling medicore ones for 4.50 PLN. That was all in a span of a few months.It's cheap because they are currently in the loss leader phase, where the goal isn't to extract maximum profit but to establish a captive audience.
The more successful it is, the more quickly that phase will end.
That's such a disturbing line of thinking. "If you don't like being punched in the mouth, that's on you". I usually hear it in victim-blaming cults.game pass is a great way to consume entertainment cheaply with friends that is accessible at multiple price point levels. if you don't like it for xyz reason, that's on you, much like its on you for wanting to buy a game day one. it's still a great option.
Yeah, I agree that those "event" type games have a very different kind of price flexibility compared to more independent games (or even "A" to "B" games primarily played by people who buy a lot of games a year).I don't think that would happen. Increasing the price of CoD from 60€ to 70€ should not impact much the number of copies sold, because the customers are CoD players, just like there are Dota2 players or Fortnite players who play their one-game all the time. If indie games are sold for 30€-40€ instead of 10€-20€, these customers won't follow, at least, I know I would not.
Definetly. Already now we know that game pass will increase in price once the beta phase is over whenever that will be and with more publishers increasing the price of their games on consoles and the more subs game pass will get from people, MS will increase the price.It's cheap because they are currently in the loss leader phase, where the goal isn't to extract maximum profit but to establish a captive audience.
The more successful it is, the more quickly that phase will end.
I wish I shared your view, and if that was the case then I'd be very happy to shut up and speak about anime and how Ghost in the Shell is arguably more impactful than Akira.I don't think that would happen.
Increasing the price of CoD from 60€ to 70€ should not impact much the number of copies sold, because the customers are CoD players, just like there are Dota2 players or Fortnite players who play their one-game all the time.
If indie games are sold for 30€-40€ instead of 10€-20€, customers won't follow, at least, I know I would not. I made an exception for Disco Elysium, because I have been waiting for this game for years. Most of my other purchases are in the 10€-20€ range, and I would massively change my purchase habits if every game was more expensive.
Yeah, I'll never argue that gamepass isn't a good deal right now (if you don't run into the more obnoxious winstore/UWP stuff), it is.Definetly. Already now we know that game pass will increase in price once the beta phase is over whenever that will be and with more publishers increasing the price of their games on consoles and the more subs game pass will get from people, MS will increase the price.
Netflix has increased the price many times.
No, but we are also not treating games like they are louis vuitton handbags and like people should choose games over bringing food on the table of their families.so we're calling games essential items
Sure, it's a great deal. Just like Photoshop switching to subscription was a great deal because it was cheaper than getting the expensive one-time license. Now your only option is to subscribe since one-time purchase option is gone and there's nothing stopping them from increasing the sub price all the time. Everyone played into their scheme.so we're calling games essential items and game pass a victim blaming cult.
like i said: no one is requiring you to like it. that doesn't make it not an option. never said the price wouldn't rise. i said its a good deal.
I usually try to fight things I don't like, especially if I feel it brings some sort of injustice with it.so we're calling games essential items and game pass a victim blaming cult.
like i said: no one is requiring you to like it. that doesn't make it not an option. never said the price wouldn't rise. i said its a good deal.
Not true. You said :so we're calling games essential items and game pass a victim blaming cult.
like i said: no one is requiring you to like it. that doesn't make it not an option. never said the price wouldn't rise. i said its a good deal.
Hence my reply, which I feel is very applicable for that line of reasoning.if you don't like it for xyz reason, that's on you
Yep.It's cheap because they are currently in the loss leader phase, where the goal isn't to extract maximum profit but to establish a captive audience.
The more successful it is, the more quickly that phase will end.
Edit: I wouldn't even call this a particularly cynical view, just a realistic one based on ample past evidence of company behaviour.
So if you agree that it is likely only to be such a good deal currently, and is only applicable for a subset of games and circumstances, then you should also understand why people are hesistant to consider it a meaningful argument in a discussion of general game pricing (which affects everything presumably forever, since those "industry-standard" price points are unlikely to ever go down).like i said: no one is requiring you to like it. that doesn't make it not an option. never said the price wouldn't rise. i said its a good deal.
go for it, who's stopping you? i'll be over here playing games on game pass and never paying more than $40 for a computer game aka not changing my behavior or losing my mind over a $10 price increase that only affects fomo.I usually try to fight things I don't like, especially if I feel it brings some sort of injustice with it.
Sadly many people just roll over and accept it.
sure, i'll accept that if the other side will accept that it is useful to that subset of circumstances and games rather than a deriding "bbbbbbut game pass" if a price for anything ever is brought up. also if that side will accept that "dude who needs to get aaa game day one" is also a subset of the general population.So if you agree that it is likely only to be such a good deal currently, and is only applicable for a subset of games and circumstances, then you should also understand why people are hesistant to consider it a meaningful argument in a discussion of general game pricing (which affects everything presumably forever, since those "industry-standard" price points are unlikely to ever go down).
Then why say anything at all?i just also couldn't give less of shit.
My main reason for not using game pass is that I don't like renting games, the case that the store backend sucks and lack of cheevos and playtime tracking in many games and lack of control over files is also a big thing for me, but the main reason is for me ownership.go for it, who's stopping you? i'll be over here playing games on game pass and never paying more than $40 for a computer game.
because i was responding to people quoting me. my original reply pages back was essentially "cool i'll wait longer to buy games" which turned into this big blowup.Then why say anything at all?
Let's stay fair: It's a forum, giving opinions is what this is about.Then why say anything at all?
I have insanely high expectations for this game. I really hope it delivers.Anyways, got a code for this out of the blue yesterday
Don't have time to play it right now as Im currently doing P4G.
Embargo lifts sept 8th.
Fully agreed.I'd go even further and add that in a world that is going through a pandemic, where social contacts and activities are limited gaming is more than just a luxury item. We are not machines after all, and need more than air, water, food and shelter to survive. A price increase on an item that is able to help us out to stay sane or relax in this hard times is terrible and should not be put together with real luxury items like jewellery, exotic perfumes and other things.
TVs and basic computers are not allowed to be sold over here when somebody goes bankrupt. They are not declared luxury items, for good reasons. And games aren't luxury as well. They are entertainment and little candles of joy in dark times and everybody has a right to that.
Taking those little candles away from people or making them more unreachable is shitty and deserves a basic level of sympathy and understanding. Something that is often missing in this discussion.
I will review it and I'll start playing this weekend, so if you have any questions tag me in a few days.I have insanely high expectations for this game. I really hope it delivers.
looks nice.Anyways, got a code for this out of the blue yesterday
Don't have time to play it right now as Im currently doing P4G.
Embargo lifts sept 8th.
well at least i can say something in response to this everyone can agree with
None.What are the chances for a Bloodborne PC reveal at today's Gamescom event?
Zero.Zero percent.What are the chances for a Bloodborne PC reveal at today's Gamescom event?