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xxr

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Is this new ? (Game properties)
Yeah, it was added 2 days ago in the beta branch:


  • Added a new game properties dialog, which replaces the old dialog for all Steam games. Games added via shortcut will be supported in a future beta update.
 

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20 min in CP and you already see Ciri haaaaaa "retro gaming magazine"
and Pokémon

sooner than you realize too

(not a mainline entry) but a Pokémon game natively on pc
The MOBA game?





half life 3 confirmed :D



from cyberpunk
Is it this image?





By the way my XSX has shipped!!!!!!!!
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Looks like the XSX arrives tomorrow

dang 2 day shipping sure is something thank you MS

It shipped out this morning and will arrive the next day.
 
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and Pokémon

sooner than you realize too

(not a mainline entry) but a Pokémon game natively on pc
This is got to be a Pokemon MMORPG focused on PVP where you can bring the Pokemon you caught from mainline Pokemon games on Switch. Like Final Fantasy VIII's pocketstation only from Switch to PC.
 
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Routa

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gamepass coming to steam (originally was gonna be this year unsure specific timing at moment)
This would be so great.

I'm done using that shitty, fucking Xbox app. I uninstalled Gears 4 and 5 but no space was actually freed up, and after troubleshooting - gave up. Theres about 300GB that is in the void now on my drive until I try again. Not to mention all the other issues that come from not being able to access the local files themselves. I tried Doom Eternal via gamepass but it booted to a black screen, found a fix involving opening the files and changing some things around - oops, can't do that.
 

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Gamepass on Steam would really solve all my issues with the service and probably get me in the door. Would be very awesome to see it eventually.

I believe in the Queen, but many Pokemon (even a side game) on PC feels like too many bridges to cross, but then again I said that about Persona....
 
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Yeah Gamepass on Steam seems like an obvious move for Microsoft to make even more money on Steam. Will be interesting to see if it's full Gamepass or a cut down version that only includes first party games.

Come on now Ubisoft you know you want that Steam subscription money.
 

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Yeah Gamepass on Steam seems like an obvious move for Microsoft to make even more money on Steam. Will be interesting to see if it's full Gamepass or a cut down version that only includes first party games.

Come on now Ubisoft you know you want that Steam subscription money.
Even if it's only first party games, I HOPE that Forza follows along.
 
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Id subscribe to a cheaper Steam version of gamepass that only has MS games. I only use gamepass for Microsoft exclusives anyway.
 

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finally I can try Gamepass, MS has this epic-like policy of not allowing PayPal if you don't connect your cc or debit. fuck that shit. how in the world everyone else mishandles that shit except Steam (tbf, other smaller stores allow that, Steam just killed all of them because of regional pricing)
 
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A cute indie game:


A F2P game previously on EGS:


Id subscribe to a cheaper Steam version of gamepass that only has MS games. I only use gamepass for Microsoft exclusives anyway.
Ditto, except that I expect the subscription to be more expensive as Game Pass comes to Steam and transitions to version 1.0 (or is it already v.1.0?).
 
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Mor

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I love you guys, its such a joy reading mc
And as Mor always said, we only have to be patient!
But holy shit guys, those are some mic drop info right there.
In my case is not only related to videogames but in a general way, patience is a very powerful weapon that we can learn to use and trust me, slowly but steady our objectives can be reached, this isn't an speed race, this is a resistance test, people today tend to think that if you don't reach certain position under the 30-35s you are completely useless and I don't think so.

Completely unrelated topic, I know :cat-heart-blob:

hehe, I'm stupid and I uninstalled C2077 by accident instead of updating it, now it would take 1 day to download because everyone is downloading like crazy, so I have to wait until tomorrow morning :crying-face:
Hey, it's back to normal :coffee-blob:
 

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I still don't believe that GamePass will come to Steam because GamePass is there to push people to Microsoft ecosystem. EA did it because it is only their games that they offer (on Steam), having MS only offer their games on Steam via GamePass would be bad value compared to real deal. Add to that losing 30% for already tight margins that they operate with (i still believe that they operate at loss) MS gains nothing with release on Steam.
 

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im on a discord server with many people that are known here i have leaked many things for instance knowingly leaked tony hawk remake wayy before it got mentioned. literally leaked back in may perfect dark for instance (which got announced just now)



leaked alot of details about the mass effect collection/remake. did heavy details on resident evil 3 before it ever got announceed.

i mentioned decembver last year that elden ring had alot of issues in dev and wasnt going to be seen at all this year and low and behold thats also true.

ive held of talking about alot more things recently on this forum, but on discord im always saying things and alot here see them and keep track and know im very much on the mark and have still not been wrong.

sooo im gonna shoot some more

diddy kong coming to xbox and switch
banjo project in works
ninja gaiden project ( collection of the 3 games coming to next gen and pc) also a new ninja gaiden game with tombado back at helm
respawn recently pitched a star wars arpg project thats simialir in style to the ultimate alliance games and is spread accross the 9 films
gamepass coming to steam (originally was gonna be this year unsure specific timing at moment)
Thanks, some of the things here sound like they might be independently verifiable to some degree. I'm going to take them point by point quickly.... after this message from our sponsor:

General points to preempt social discomfort: The context of the discussion is the degree of evidence from the POV of an outsider to these boards, eg a journalist, or me; somebody who doesn't already buy into the local wisdom of "always trust the Queen", but is trying to evaluate the foundations of that trust. ("A largish closely-knit group of people believe strongly in X" is in itself terribly weak evidence for X; for a counterexample, think of whichever group G of people you hold to be terribly wrong --- there is at least one such group for everybody, I'm sure.)

To evaluate the accuracy of a stream of claims, one needs a good prior sampling of the claims; one cannot purely a posteriori consider only "hits" and work backwards, otherwise a winning strategy for the stream is to shoot darts everywhere and some will hit the target. Working backwards from the target, you then get (the illusion of) 100% accuracy.

That is why comprehensive logs are much better than testimony of the form "yes, I remember X saying that, and OMG it came true!!!". People, even smart and educated people, are demonstrably terrible at this.

There is also a phenomenon at play here specific to the form of (most) of the claims: "eventually something will happen"; those are intrinsically very hard to disprove. Make enough of these at random and you have only "hits" and "pending", with no "miss".

I make these points preemptively because there is an element of social awkwardness in refusing to take a person's word, or a group's consensus, at face value. It feels like a slap in the face. That is not my intention; the subject matter (BB PC and other gaming rumours) may be frivolous but standards of evidence are SERIOUZ BIZNESS and it takes what it takes. I intend neither aggression nor friendliness.

Then there is the question "is it intrinsically rude to seek or even demand evidence for claims made by people"? I hold that once claims are made, they are fair game. If you don't hold with that, are you applying the same standard to group G (above)?

I'll stop here because I have real work to do; I hope you get the gist of my approach by now.
end general points.

With that in mind:

- Are there any form of logs on the Discord servers ? (I never used Discord, but I assume it's audio only, so no records?)

- Failing logs, specific corroboration from non-Queen people about specific claims and outcomes, with approximate timestamps.

- assuming validity of screenshot, perfect dark seems to have been rumored for a loooooong time before that; cf reddit.

- the Elden Ring claim is interesting (if independently corroborated), both because it is/would have been disprovable, and because the basic incentive for fake leakers is more to make positive claims (but smart conmen know that and can emulate a more nuanced discourse; eg pcsx4.com). Furthermore, COVID was not on the general public's radar in dec 19; so there was no non-specific reason to bank on delays. Overall fairly weak but non-0 evidence if corroborated.

- on "details about ME/RE before announced". That would potentially constitute very strong evidence, provided the "details" are quite specific (enough to invalidate the "darts everywhere" strategy by making the target too small), and independent corroboration of the statements and timelines (logs / unedited posts best).

- more claims about the future are obviously outside the scope of this discussion.

Sorry about the wall of text. Somehow my well-earned break from writing my lecture notes was not as ... breaking ... as I hoped :unsure: It's my own damn fault for getting into this discussion in the first place, though.
 

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- Are there any form of logs on the Discord servers ? (I never used Discord, but I assume it's audio only, so no records?)
Discord has servers with text chats and voice chats. Text chats are saved and you can always view the entire history of a chat. Conversations ive had with friends on discord back when it first came out in 2015 are still viewable now. You can edit or delete messages but edits are marked with a (Edited) tag next to the message. There's also a search function you can use to find messages by date, username, keywords, mentions, links, and channel.

Sorry im not the best at explaining things but hope that helps LOL
 

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Discord has servers with text chats and voice chats. Text chats are saved and you can always view the entire history of a chat. Conversations ive had with friends on discord back when it first came out in 2015 are still viewable now. You can edit or delete messages but edits are marked with a (Edited) tag next to the message. There's also a search function you can use to find messages by date, username, keywords, mentions, links, and channel.

Sorry im not the best at explaining things but hope that helps LOL
I find that very helpful and pertinent. Thanks :)

Is there a link to the Discord server Queen mentions, and are there requirements for having full access to logs and search features (eg date of joining, nb of posts, goat sacrifice, etc) ?
 
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I still don't believe that GamePass will come to Steam because GamePass is there to push people to Microsoft ecosystem. EA did it because it is only their games that they offer (on Steam), having MS only offer their games on Steam via GamePass would be bad value compared to real deal. Add to that losing 30% for already tight margins that they operate with (i still believe that they operate at loss) MS gains nothing with release on Steam.
Or it will happen because MS cares more about increasing subscriber numbers than they do about the 30% cut.
 
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yup, this

NOW RELEASE FH4 ON STEAM, YOU ABSOLUTE COWARDS!!! :negative-blob:
I think game pass on Steam is the last chance for FH4 to be on Steam, if FH4 is not put on Steam with game pass, nothing will do it.

Regardless, you should have just played the game via WinStore ages ago. The game is glorious regardless of WinStore.

Even my hatred for the WinStore didn't stop me from playing FH4.
 
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Or it will happen because MS cares more about increasing subscriber numbers than they do about the 30% cut.
That is not how most bigger companies think. If Ubisoft didn't care about 30% it would be long time back on Steam. If that is how big companies think we wouldn't have more and more TV Show/Movie subscription services and so on. They don't just want money and subscribers, they want all money. And it works, that's the best part it works. Disney+ got tons of subscriptions and people are paying more (instead of one subscription they pay for multiple). Only reason why MS went back on Steam is because they needed some good will from users and they didn't have GamePass ready.

And here is question for everyone here did you even considered using Windows Store before GamePass?
 
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Yeah, China is the largest PC-market. This is the reason why Valve wants official China client.

For example, MHW preorder numbers were 120k Steam vs 800k WeGame (China only).
Third of steam copies were sold in china. So rest of world is like 10% vs 90% China.

(MHW isn't representative of all games though, I believe it's extremely popular there - also now banned who knows how well it would've sold)
Since I'm a really curious person I went to check the proportion of Chinese reviews for Cyberpunk and the results are quite amazing.



121,126 total reviews in all languages which 104.627 are from Steam purchases.
Out of the 121.126 reviews 35.917 are in Simplified Chinese.
That is really amazing. Nearly 1/3 of reviews are from Chinese users.

In comparison there are nearly 47.674 reviews written in English which is theoretically speaking the international language.
TL;DR Cyberpunk is a Juggernaut, but so is the Chinese market.

Aaaaaand just like that they got me...
I need to save for a couch and a TV dammit, stop making me spend money :notlikethisblob:
I'm sorry, I totally can't promise I will not do anymore lists in the future.
 
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Mor

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I didn't want to announce this because I'm still unsure about what will happen in the near future and how much time I will have available but I wanted to say that I'm planning on making a Yakuza OT like the Digimon one but way less gif heavy, something artistic and visually beautiful.

My idea is to have it uploaded by the time Yakuza 6 comes out. so, March 2021 :cat-heart-blob:
 

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That is not how most bigger companies think. If Ubisoft didn't care about 30% it would be long time back on Steam. If that is how big companies think we wouldn't have more and more TV Show/Movie subscription services and so on. They don't just want money and subscribers, they want all money. And it works, that's the best part it works. Disney+ got tons of subscriptions and people are paying more (instead of one subscription they pay for multiple). Only reason why MS went back on Steam is because they needed some good will from users and they didn't have GamePass ready.

And here is question for everyone here did you even considered using Windows Store before GamePass?
Maybe that's how MS thinks. MS is not Ubi, they are 2 different companies having different goals and reasonings behind their decisions.

Nadellas MS is a completely different company from Disney, Ubisoft and Ballmers MS.

Nadella seems to be all about choice, like putting game pass on iOS and Office on Mac.

Spencer has said they are all about increasing game pass numbers and want game pass everywhere.

So apparently they seems to care more about subs numbers than store cut.

If MS managed to get 5 million more subscribers to game pass by putting it on Steam despite the store cut, then they have 5 million more subs than they had by not putting game pass on Steam.
 

Mor

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That is not how most bigger companies think. If Ubisoft didn't care about 30% it would be long time back on Steam.
That's not how it works, contractual alliances is also a big part of this scheme and keep in mind that once their legal obligation for exclusivity is up, they will be coming back with their Uplay+ (or whatever is called now) service like EA.

Think late 2021/Early 2022
 

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Maybe that's how MS thinks. MS is not Ubi, they are 2 different companies having different goals and reasonings behind their decisions.

Nadellas MS is a completely different company from Disney, Ubisoft and Ballmers MS.

Nadella seems to be all about choice, like putting game pass on iOS and Office on Mac.

Spencer has said they are all about increasing game pass numbers and want game pass everywhere.

So apparently they seems to care more about subs numbers than store cut.

If MS managed to get 5 million more subscribers to game pass by putting it on Steam despite the store cut, then they have 5 million more subs than they had by not putting game pass on Steam.
We will see but i don't have that much hope in corporations.


That's not how it works, contractual alliances is also a big part of this scheme and keep in mind that once their legal obligation for exclusivity is up, they will be coming back with their Uplay+ (or whatever is called now) service like EA.

Think late 2021/Early 2022
Ubisoft doesn't have any contractual obligations towards Epic anymore as far as i know. They released VR games on Steam, Hyper Scape was UPlay exclusive as are some of the Settlers and Anno games as i remember correctly. They only had some partnership in first year or so.
 

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I find that very helpful and pertinent. Thanks :)

Is there a link to the Discord server Queen mentions, and are there requirements for having full access to logs and search features (eg date of joining, nb of posts, goat sacrifice, etc) ?
I may be wrong on this, but I don't think you can search for logs if you just joined a server. Everything is recorded per user, so the logs that are recorded before you joined will be unaccessible to you.

But I generally agree with most of what you said in your previous post.
 
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I may be wrong on this, but I don't think you can search for logs if you just joined a server. Everything is recorded per user, so the logs that are recorded before you joined will be unaccessible to you.

But I generally agree with most of what you said in your previous post.
Depends on the permissions. By default you can view post history, but it depends on the server and role permissions set by the admin.
 

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Thanks, some of the things here sound like they might be independently verifiable to some degree. I'm going to take them point by point quickly.... after this message from our sponsor:

General points to preempt social discomfort: The context of the discussion is the degree of evidence from the POV of an outsider to these boards, eg a journalist, or me; somebody who doesn't already buy into the local wisdom of "always trust the Queen", but is trying to evaluate the foundations of that trust. ("A largish closely-knit group of people believe strongly in X" is in itself terribly weak evidence for X; for a counterexample, think of whichever group G of people you hold to be terribly wrong --- there is at least one such group for everybody, I'm sure.)

To evaluate the accuracy of a stream of claims, one needs a good prior sampling of the claims; one cannot purely a posteriori consider only "hits" and work backwards, otherwise a winning strategy for the stream is to shoot darts everywhere and some will hit the target. Working backwards from the target, you then get (the illusion of) 100% accuracy.

That is why comprehensive logs are much better than testimony of the form "yes, I remember X saying that, and OMG it came true!!!". People, even smart and educated people, are demonstrably terrible at this.

There is also a phenomenon at play here specific to the form of (most) of the claims: "eventually something will happen"; those are intrinsically very hard to disprove. Make enough of these at random and you have only "hits" and "pending", with no "miss".

I make these points preemptively because there is an element of social awkwardness in refusing to take a person's word, or a group's consensus, at face value. It feels like a slap in the face. That is not my intention; the subject matter (BB PC and other gaming rumours) may be frivolous but standards of evidence are SERIOUZ BIZNESS and it takes what it takes. I intend neither aggression nor friendliness.

Then there is the question "is it intrinsically rude to seek or even demand evidence for claims made by people"? I hold that once claims are made, they are fair game. If you don't hold with that, are you applying the same standard to group G (above)?

I'll stop here because I have real work to do; I hope you get the gist of my approach by now.
end general points.

With that in mind:

- Are there any form of logs on the Discord servers ? (I never used Discord, but I assume it's audio only, so no records?)

- Failing logs, specific corroboration from non-Queen people about specific claims and outcomes, with approximate timestamps.

- assuming validity of screenshot, perfect dark seems to have been rumored for a loooooong time before that; cf reddit.

- the Elden Ring claim is interesting (if independently corroborated), both because it is/would have been disprovable, and because the basic incentive for fake leakers is more to make positive claims (but smart conmen know that and can emulate a more nuanced discourse; eg pcsx4.com). Furthermore, COVID was not on the general public's radar in dec 19; so there was no non-specific reason to bank on delays. Overall fairly weak but non-0 evidence if corroborated.

- on "details about ME/RE before announced". That would potentially constitute very strong evidence, provided the "details" are quite specific (enough to invalidate the "darts everywhere" strategy by making the target too small), and independent corroboration of the statements and timelines (logs / unedited posts best).

- more claims about the future are obviously outside the scope of this discussion.

Sorry about the wall of text. Somehow my well-earned break from writing my lecture notes was not as ... breaking ... as I hoped :unsure: It's my own damn fault for getting into this discussion in the first place, though.

I get what your saying. the discord stuff I relatively go into more detail there one because I trust them n also keeps me Safe.

I've tested games in the past've tested various things including the long rumoured Bloodborne pc port. I tested marvel avengers earlier this year aswell before release.

in my own server I also go into details about my info n Leaks again small pool of people relatively keeps the top details safe that I need too.

I'm.not saying I don't trust you or won't trust in future but right now I can't just randomly post on here month's of my leak logs that go into explicit detail. thats why leakers relatively stay quiet.

I'm trying to post thing's without too much Going into wrong hands Itsvwhy I relatively go into detail in forum's bout ins n outs of things
 
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I get what your saying. the discord stuff I relatively go into more detail there one because I trust them n also keeps me Safe.

I've tested games in the past've tested various things including the long rumoured Bloodborne pc port. I tested marvel avengers earlier this year aswell before release.

in my own server I also go into details about my info n Leaks again small pool of people relatively keeps the top details safe that I need too.

I'm.not saying I don't trust you or won't trust in future but right now I can't just randomly post on here month's of my leak logs that go into explicit detail. thats why leakers relatively stay quiet.

I'm trying to post thing's without too much Going into wrong hands Itsvwhy I relatively go into detail in forum's bout ins n outs of things
Thanks for sharing what you can with us. Greatly appreciate it.
 

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I get what your saying. the discord stuff I relatively go into more detail there one because I trust them n also keeps me Safe.

I've tested games in the past've tested various things including the long rumoured Bloodborne pc port. I tested marvel avengers earlier this year aswell before release.

in my own server I also go into details about my info n Leaks again small pool of people relatively keeps the top details safe that I need too.

I'm.not saying I don't trust you or won't trust in future but right now I can't just randomly post on here month's of my leak logs that go into explicit detail. thats why leakers relatively stay quiet.

I'm trying to post thing's without too much Going into wrong hands Itsvwhy I relatively go into detail in forum's bout ins n outs of things
And I in turn do get that point.

Leakers who give sufficient details for neutral observers to assess their bona fine also give observers with inside knowledge very valuable data to track them down, when cross-referenced with their own knowledge.

Thus a (competent) fake leaker and a genuine one wishing to remain employed -- and exercising the requisite caution -- are hard to distinguish from the outside.

Again, short of crystal balls and "enhanced conversation", I see no easy way out of this deadlock. In the meanwhile I'll take a look at any data I have access to (within limits of time/motivation).

Cheers.
I may be wrong on this, but I don't think you can search for logs if you just joined a server. Everything is recorded per user, so the logs that are recorded before you joined will be unaccessible to you.

But I generally agree with most of what you said in your previous post.
Depends on the permissions. By default you can view post history, but it depends on the server and role permissions set by the admin.
Well, we'll see. Since I don't have a link to the server in question, that aspect remains academic for now.
 

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And I in turn do get that point.

Leakers who give sufficient details for neutral observers to assess their bona fine also give observers with inside knowledge very valuable data to track them down, when cross-referenced with their own knowledge.

Thus a (competent) fake leaker and a genuine one wishing to remain employed -- and exercising the requisite caution -- are hard to distinguish from the outside.

Again, short of crystal balls and "enhanced conversation", I see no easy way out of this deadlock. In the meanwhile I'll take a look at any data I have access to (within limits of time/motivation).

Cheers.




Well, we'll see. Since I don't have a link to the server in question, that aspect remains academic for now.
I've sent you a pm with some things
 

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And I in turn do get that point.

Leakers who give sufficient details for neutral observers to assess their bona fine also give observers with inside knowledge very valuable data to track them down, when cross-referenced with their own knowledge.

Thus a (competent) fake leaker and a genuine one wishing to remain employed -- and exercising the requisite caution -- are hard to distinguish from the outside.

Again, short of crystal balls and "enhanced conversation", I see no easy way out of this deadlock. In the meanwhile I'll take a look at any data I have access to (within limits of time/motivation).

Cheers.




Well, we'll see. Since I don't have a link to the server in question, that aspect remains academic for now.
It's up to you to trust the info or not, but I would request that you do not talk about it outside the site.
 
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