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Wo Long is a fucking mess (and I'm not talking about the PC port).

The game's deflect system is similar to Sekiro's parry system, and like that system, it's very centralizing. Combat is about knowing how to time deflects, and when you can land spirit attacks.

From Software realized how centralizing the system was, so they jettisoned nearly every RPG system from Sekiro. Team Ninja... Did not. Wo Long is loaded with systems. You've got loot to collect, upgrade, and socket with gems, skill points to allocate, magic spells to learn, spirit summons (with two modes each), martial art special abilities tied to your weapons, NPC companion characters, online coop, online invasions, and all of it is pointless fluff.



When everything you do revolves around stunning enemies to land critical attacks, it seems impossible to care about the mountain of subsystems. +17 stone damage? Whoop-dee-fucking-doo.

At best, these systems don't meaningfully help you, and at worst, they make things worse. I've been dismissing all of the companion characters immediately because they're fundamentally distracting, which is awful in a game all about reacting to enemy moves.

These things don't ruin the game or anything. Parrying enemies until they kill themselves is a lot of fun, especially on the more elaborate bosses. But I'm getting close to the end and haven't had much trouble despite ignoring nearly every subsystem. It feels like an incredible waste of effort.
 

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Biomutant still at mixed reviews, I assume it never got improved enough to fullfill its pre-release vision/hype.

I hope unannounced Choice games will make that bundle worth it.
 
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I need an honest opinion regarding the last of us as I'm considering getting it.
Is it actually a good game or is it "good" in the sense every playstation fanboy says exclusives to their box are good? It's a lot of money to just throw away on a whim so I'd rather be sure.
 
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I need an honest opinion regarding the last of us as I'm considering getting it.
Is it actually a good game or is it "good" in the sense every playstation fanboy says exclusives to their box are good? It's a lot of money to just throw away on a whim so I'd rather be sure.
Its slow and boring but has some good moments. An 8 out of 10 type of game imo.

I only played the PS4 remaster so I don't know how much better this remake is with visuals and whatnot.

Honestly you should just use the steam refund system. 2 hours is enough time to see if you like it or not. If you enjoy the first 2 hours you will most likely enjoy the rest of it.
 
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My brother bought Sonic Frontiers, might give it a go this week. He actually bought it at launch but I forgot. Heard mixed opinions but I never expect much from 3D Sonic anyway.
Playing the 16 bit games 30 years ago gave me some of my best memories of those years.
 

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I need an honest opinion regarding the last of us as I'm considering getting it.
Is it actually a good game or is it "good" in the sense every playstation fanboy says exclusives to their box are good? It's a lot of money to just throw away on a whim so I'd rather be sure.
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I understand why a lot of people like TLoU, but it's not a masterpiece or 10 out of 10 games like many people say, just like a Nintendo fanboy would tell you there is nothing wrong with Pokemon Scarlet and Violet. Both TLoU entries are quality games but they are flawed.

When it comes to the first TLoU, I played it on PS3 shortly after its release ( before it got remastered for PS4). I thought that the game had really great graphics, a great world, a solid story, and amazing characters and interactions. However, it didn't feel great to play. The gameplay wasn't fun for me, so I dropped it around halfway through. If I paid $70 for this I would have been very disappointed.

I just played TLoU 2 a few months ago on PS5 and some of my feelings were the opposite compared to the first game. It didn't evolve the gameplay in any meaningful way, but they touched up some bits here and there like better animations, more interesting scenarios and locations, etc., and that made the overall gameplay better. The graphics and character facial animations during cutscenes are top-tier, pure excellence. The cutscenes are also directed superbly. That being said I did not like where the story went, I did not like some of the characters and I certainly did not like the ending.
 
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I need an honest opinion regarding the last of us as I'm considering getting it.
Is it actually a good game or is it "good" in the sense every playstation fanboy says exclusives to their box are good? It's a lot of money to just throw away on a whim so I'd rather be sure.
I liked the story (and the world and characters) so much that I bought a used ps3 to play it myself (and a handful of other ps3 exclusives)

I liked the gameplay, it's a good mix of covershooting, scavenging for resources, sneaking and light puzzling. I didn't really like how the shooting felt with a controller, which is why i am looking forward to playing with mouse and keyboard.
I recommend it if you like games like Tomb Raider 2013 or A Plague Tale. I think it's a very good game. It's not the best game ever made or the second coming of Christ. :)
 
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Thanks for the inputs guys.

Honestly you should just use the steam refund system. 2 hours is enough time to see if you like it or not. If you enjoy the first 2 hours you will most likely enjoy the rest of it.
That's not really an option since I'm looking at getting it outside steam for ~60% the price.
 

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I understand why a lot of people like TLoU, but it's not a masterpiece or 10 out of 10 games like many people say, just like a Nintendo fanboy would tell you there is nothing wrong with Pokemon Scarlet and Violet. Both TLoU entries are quality games but they are flawed.

When it comes to the first TLoU, I played it on PS3 shortly after its release ( before it got remastered for PS4). I thought that the game had really great graphics, a great world, a solid story, and amazing characters and interactions. However, it didn't feel great to play. The gameplay wasn't fun for me, so I dropped it around halfway through. If I paid $70 for this I would have been very disappointed.

I just played TLoU 2 a few months ago on PS5 and some of my feelings were the opposite compared to the first game. It didn't evolve the gameplay in any meaningful way, but they touched up some bits here and there like better animations, more interesting scenarios and locations, etc., and that made the overall gameplay better. The graphics and character facial animations during cutscenes are top-tier, pure excellence. The cutscenes are also directed superbly. That being said I did not like where the story went, I did not like some of the characters and I certainly did not like the ending.
Saying that the gameplay didn't evolve is patently false.
 
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Avern

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I need an honest opinion regarding the last of us as I'm considering getting it.
Is it actually a good game or is it "good" in the sense every playstation fanboy says exclusives to their box are good? It's a lot of money to just throw away on a whim so I'd rather be sure.
I think it's one of the best PS exclusives. It's gorgeous, the storytelling is top-notch, and I think it does a great job with its resource-management elements. The craftable items are very strong, but their resources are rare, and often have specific overlaps, so crafting one typically precludes being able to make something else.

The sneaking and shooting is the area that seems more controversial, but I thought it was great. There are a few stealth focused sections that I think get obnoxious, but most encounters instead have the approach where you sneak as long as you can, then shoot your way through whoever is remaining once you get spotted. I felt like the game struck a good balance with that. Sneaking is good because it saves on resources, but the game was never so punitive that I felt obligated to retry sections once I got caught. The gunplay was serviceable. It doesn't push any boundaries, but it didn't feel limp.

The only part of the game I didn't enjoy were the puzzles, because they were short, easy, and repetitive. They weren't awful or anything, just kind of pointless.
 

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That's not really an option since I'm looking at getting it outside steam for ~60% the price.
If your budget can float it, you could get it directly from steam first, see if you like it, refund either way, and then get it cheaper elsewhere if you still want it.
The other potential flaw here aside from the budget stuff is of course that if the ~60% is for pre-orders only and price might go up after it's out out, then it's not too great of a plan.
 
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Speaking under the condition of anonymity sources with a knowledge of the game’s development told us that indeed there was a new version of Counter-Strike: Global Offensive on its way and that had been worked on for some time. The new version is almost certainly set to be released under the working title Counter-Strike 2 and the tentative release date for the beta is in this month of March with April 1st at the outside.

I can't add much to this as I don't know much outside of the fact that the project name isn't Counter-Strike 2, it'll just be rebranding CSGO with the update to just Counter-Strike. (Probably, maybe. Least from what I heard.)
This actually makes sense considering one of the new headers for social media was just "Counter-Strike." with a big period at the end.
 

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Well, this is a blast from the past for me:


I think the last game I bought for the PS2 was Tenkaichi 3.
No platforms yet announced for the new Tenkaichi, the game was just teased, but I think it's likely that it'll come to PC.

I wonder who's developing it though, the original Tenkaichi games were developed by Spike (Danganronpa's studio), years before they merged with Chunsoft.
 

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Well, this is a blast from the past for me:


I think the last game I bought for the PS2 was Tenkaichi 3.
No platforms yet announced for the new Tenkaichi, the game was just teased, but I think it's likely that it'll come to PC.

I wonder who's developing it though, the original Tenkaichi games were developed by Spike (Danganronpa's studio), years before they merged with Chunsoft.
We're going home Dragon Ball fans
 

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I need an honest opinion regarding the last of us as I'm considering getting it.
Is it actually a good game or is it "good" in the sense every playstation fanboy says exclusives to their box are good? It's a lot of money to just throw away on a whim so I'd rather be sure.
It’s a 7/10 and I’ve been saying that since 2013

Also I am sick of everyone’s obsession with pidgeon holing characters in this series into
who is good and who is bad
It’s not only exhausting but piss poor simplistic discourse
 
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Wo Long is a fucking mess (and I'm not talking about the PC port).

The game's deflect system is similar to Sekiro's parry system, and like that system, it's very centralizing. Combat is about knowing how to time deflects, and when you can land spirit attacks.

From Software realized how centralizing the system was, so they jettisoned nearly every RPG system from Sekiro. Team Ninja... Did not. Wo Long is loaded with systems. You've got loot to collect, upgrade, and socket with gems, skill points to allocate, magic spells to learn, spirit summons (with two modes each), martial art special abilities tied to your weapons, NPC companion characters, online coop, online invasions, and all of it is pointless fluff.



When everything you do revolves around stunning enemies to land critical attacks, it seems impossible to care about the mountain of subsystems. +17 stone damage? Whoop-dee-fucking-doo.

At best, these systems don't meaningfully help you, and at worst, they make things worse. I've been dismissing all of the companion characters immediately because they're fundamentally distracting, which is awful in a game all about reacting to enemy moves.

These things don't ruin the game or anything. Parrying enemies until they kill themselves is a lot of fun, especially on the more elaborate bosses. But I'm getting close to the end and haven't had much trouble despite ignoring nearly every subsystem. It feels like an incredible waste of effort.
I had a similar first impression but i'm somewhat coming around to it now with more time with the game. It's very much "choose your own difficulty" where if you use everything at your disposal it is very simple and easy and at times boring because you're just approaching every fight the same way. It just works and you don't really have to engage with the games weapons/gear/spells systems at all. And i'm not saying this is good, it should have a difficulty choice at the start or something, games work best when you need to use everything at your disposal to get through, not worrying about doing too much to make the game too easy.... Coming from Nioh where every weapon type was essentially its own action game to this was rough.

But: the combat can sing! Skip flags as needed, get martial arts and spells that remain useful in really quick combat and ideally can dodge attacks because they include quick movement, treat deflects as your new "ki pulse" to refresh "stamina" so you can keep going and play super aggressive. Once you figured an encounter out it becomes faster paced than anything in Nioh, i've been sitting in front of my pc a couple times now with a stupid grin on my face looking at a downed enemy having to mentally work through what just happened because my fingers had to move faster than my brain could keep up, never had that in the Nioh games.
 
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We're going home Dragon Ball Z fans
Make sure to close the door behind you when you leave.

I'm meanwhile waiting for the old (pre-Z) DragonBall series to get this kind of treatment. It was just way funnier when the stakes were lower and the world itself felt somehow bigger. That's the curious thing about Z to me: despite seemingly opening up the universe, it ends up making it feel vastly smaller in the end.
 

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Biomutant still at mixed reviews, I assume it never got improved enough to fullfill its pre-release vision/hype.
thb the hype was weirdly so overdone this small team was never gonna fullfill it anyway ... i never understood how the expectation ended up being the "next big openworld AAA" from this tiny team .

Overall i would maybe compare the situation to AC1 vs AC2 .... so what Biomunant showd ... is that they managed to make solid game in few dozens ot people with a potential to do a great one in a sequel
 

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Paradox event starts in ~3 hours.



Doesn't look like Harebrained Schemes will be announcing another Shadowrun CRPG or something set in the World of Darkness. :crying-face:



They also confirmed that there won't be anything about Bloodlines 2.

 

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Sweet, got that 6€ per month for three months for Humble Choice a few weeks ago. I've gotten that twice now! Seems pretty easy to get. So now it is officially the only price I'll resub for.
 
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Make sure to close the door behind you when you leave.

I'm meanwhile waiting for the old (pre-Z) DragonBall series to get this kind of treatment. It was just way funnier when the stakes were lower and the world itself felt somehow bigger. That's the curious thing about Z to me: despite seemingly opening up the universe, it ends up making it feel vastly smaller in the end.
Two small things:
1) There is no Dragon Ball Classic/Z split in the original manga. It was one continuos run from Goku and Bulma's first meeting up to Uub. The Z distinction is only for the anime and the games
2) Budokai Tenkaichi had lots of classic only characters including the original Demon King Piccolo to Pilaf and the Red Ribbon and even a true classic Kid Goku (and even Arale) so a true Budokai Tenkaichi 4 needs to follow on it instead of simply being a Super wankfest


Of course this is Bamco we're talking about so all hopes are ready to be blasted
 

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Two small things:
1) There is no Dragon Ball Classic/Z split in the original manga. It was one continuos run from Goku and Bulma's first meeting up to Uub. The Z distinction is only for the anime and the games
2) Budokai Tenkaichi had lots of classic only characters including the original Demon King Piccolo to Pilaf and the Red Ribbon and even a true classic Kid Goku (and even Arale) so a true Budokai Tenkaichi 4 needs to follow on it instead of simply being a Super wankfest


Of course this is Bamco we're talking about so all hopes are ready to be blasted
Well, then I guess Toriyama just jumped the shark a bit once he introduced the whole sci-fi angle to it with Goku actually coming from another planet. My only reference point are the animes, as aired on German-language TV, so that's why Z was a marked difference, not only in where it took the plot, but it's entire presentation too. Weirdly enough, it also shifted from being aired during the normal afternoon programme (when you generally had kids shows on) to late night (I think around 7pm). I guess because of the increased violence? I definitely liked the DB Z at the time, but looking back , I somehow have a fonder view on the earlier parts of the series. Maybe just a sign of me getting old.
 

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Looks like some leaks from the Paradox show:


Cities: Skylines 2

Lamplighters League
- by Harebrained Schemes. The game is about a group of scholars tasked with stopping a cult from taking over the world. Will feature turn-based tactical combat.

Life by You - Life sim led by Rod Humble, the guy who was in charge of the Sims franchise for several years(back in the Sims 2 era). This also has its own show coming on March 20. Paradox doing a Sims game! Can they match the output of EA when it comes to DLC though?! :eek:
 

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I just got an email that I sold something on the Steam market for 2€.
I think the last time I put anything on there was 4+ years ago, and I have no idea what was sold. Must have been some anime foil card.
 

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Make sure to close the door behind you when you leave.

I'm meanwhile waiting for the old (pre-Z) DragonBall series to get this kind of treatment. It was just way funnier when the stakes were lower and the world itself felt somehow bigger. That's the curious thing about Z to me: despite seemingly opening up the universe, it ends up making it feel vastly smaller in the end.
I guess at least DBZ Kakarot remembered the OG exists in the upcoming DLC:



It's something, I guess?
 
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Twitter is completely borked right now so be wary of linking anything.

I just got an email that I sold something on the Steam market for 2€.
I think the last time I put anything on there was 4+ years ago, and I have no idea what was sold. Must have been some anime foil card.
You might already know this, but you can go to the My Market History tab on the Community Market page to see what you sold.
 
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Dandy

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Argh! I am so disappointed that HBS isn't making another CRPG. Lamplighters League looks good, but it seems very much like a turn-based strategy game without all of the RPG stuff I love. Maybe the "character driven story" part will make up for it.

I really want to see more of Life By You, though it's super annoying that they just announced it with no detail and then said "come back in 2 weeks to actually learn something about it."

Anyway, Knights of Pen and Paper 3 looks fun and comes out tomorrow.
 
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