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Sobatronix

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finally upgraded from 16GB to 64GB RAM
I am still held back by my 6GB 1660 Super and the ryzen 5 3600x
but the current RAM prices were the best option for a first upgrade

had a moment of panic when the PC booted fine but no signal arrived at the monitor. tested the previous RAM and it worked, placed the new RAM again, and finally it worked. phew.
I also upgraded to 32 gb from 16 gb, and bought the 4070 despite talking shit about it on last month's thread lol. I'm a tool :weary-face:
 

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They still need to give people games to make them buy something on sale
the logic: "people dont buy games via egs because their library is already on steam - so lets give them enough free games so they already have a library on egs! then they will buy there!"
something faulty with that logic tho. maybe its their client. maybe their business practices and their reputation because of them. maybe both?

anyway, darkest dungeon 2 just release on pc if anyone was interested ;)
 

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Nice, Voidtrain is out and if you aready own Planet Crafter like I do, you get 24% off on Voidtrain. Had a ton of fun with the Voidtrain demo.

Sifu is also on sale, maybe that one too. Dredge looks awesome, but 10% feels tiny, Darkest Dungeon 2 is also discounted for me as I own the original, but not sure if Im getting it now.
 

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  • Reduced the VRAM impact of texture quality settings, allowing most players to increase their texture quality settings or experience improved performance with their current settings
Patch is 50GB because they are making us download more VRAM. That is only explanation I have because Hardware Unboxed told me that TLoU Part 1 version 1.0.0. is best VRAM benchmark and it showed that 8GB cards are dead and can't run this game.
 
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Patch is 50GB because they are making us download more VRAM. That is only explanation I have because Hardware Unboxed told me that TLoU Part 1 version 1.0.0. is best VRAM benchmark and it showed that 8GB cards are dead and can't run this game.
Actually think they fixed it for real? lol
Just tested and my CPU usage went to normal and VRAM was correct haha
 

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Console gamers have touted the myth that the console space is as healthy as it has ever been.
"look at those financial reports, the companies make more money every year!"
Yeah... Duh. It's a milking economy. They are milking the fewer customers more.
Console player base is shrinking since the PS360Wii days. With that narrower player base comes the result that the console makers develop and market more and more to their shrinking user base, trying to get more money per user instead of widening the appeal.

And that user base will shrink further.
Not every console player only plays games that the consoles provide, and if they are able, or willing, they will switch to PC eventually because there is so much more available. (also we "lost" millions of players to mobile since the Wii days)
Add to it the rising costs and the future looks dire.

What has that to do with the article? Activision games are also available on console.
Easy, more and more people switch to PC, even for console ass, console games. Because of the above-mentioned issues.
I don't think this is accurate.
The switch already surpassed the Wii. The PS4 surpassed the PS3 by far and it's already obvious that the PS5 will do the same. It was the best-selling console in a single sales quarter ever between January and March of this year.
Only Xbox has been shrinking but that's because Microsoft keep shooting themselves in the foot ever since the Xbox one reveal.

I don't get this need to convince yourself that consoles are dying just because you prefer the PC platform. Both markets are healthy.
 

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Anectode, but the console companies, mainly Sony and MS, are losing out on the youth and in general, young people. 8/10 people at my school where I teach (10-16) year olds play only on or mainly on PC.

It's games like Robox, CSGO, Fortnite, BeamNGDrive, Steam games, Minecraft, in general a lot of sandbox/modded games and quirky games, many of these are not even avaialble on consoles, Roblox is only avaialble on Xbox too.
 

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I don't think this is accurate.
The switch already surpassed the Wii. The PS4 surpassed the PS3 by far and it's already obvious that the PS5 will do the same. It was the best-selling console in a single sales quarter ever between January and March of this year.
Only Xbox has been shrinking but that's because Microsoft keep shooting themselves in the foot ever since the Xbox one reveal.

I don't get this need to convince yourself that consoles are dying just because you prefer the PC platform. Both markets are healthy.
The absolute numbers are way, WAY down.
Sure the Switch is still selling well, and PS5 is doing well, but Xbox is effectively a dead brand and will likely be gone in a generation at this rate, while the handhelds consoles have been buried ages ago.
The entire console industry has never reached the heights of the PS360/Wii/DS/PSP.

And as fantomena says, the vast, vast majority of modern players (and not only the youth actually, but also the older part) care very little for "traditional" console games, there's a reason why the average age of the player base is nearing 40 is some segments.

It's fascinating to see an industry running to is doom, but as long as they milk the whales (eeeeevil mobile games are always blamed - less so the 79.99+39.99 season pass +MTX out of the ass) they'll be fine so the brand loyalists will clamor for them for many years still.
And follow the party line too - I remember when Xbox was derided for only offering shooters and action games while Playstation was where the "real" games like RPGs were.
And how different it is now that the PR has done its job.
 
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I don't think this is accurate.
The switch already surpassed the Wii. The PS4 surpassed the PS3 by far and it's already obvious that the PS5 will do the same. It was the best-selling console in a single sales quarter ever between January and March of this year.
Only Xbox has been shrinking but that's because Microsoft keep shooting themselves in the foot ever since the Xbox one reveal.

I don't get this need to convince yourself that consoles are dying just because you prefer the PC platform. Both markets are healthy.
Let me show you this:


These are the console sales for every year worldwide.
2021 and 2022 are not better, even with the "pandemic bonus" (Didn't find a free statistic for all consoles for the last 2 years) and with supply issues.

And the other thing is, more and more games are GaaS, which are MAYBE System agnostic, meaning you can continue your PS4 game on PS5, but certainly are not platform agnostic. Losing all your progress after the system doesn't sell anymore but you want to continue playing your GaaS while also playing a new game here and there.

Sure you can buy the next console, but you already bought a new PS4 Pro in 2019 for 400 bucks and you need to buy a PS5 for 500 bucks to continue getting to play your GaaS and new games, maybe you don't have that much money or you don't want to buy a new console just after 3 or 4 years while you are happy with playing hundreds of hours of your GaaS game. And how long will the Ps4 GaaS game be patched?

So, PC is easier.
 

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A random thought struck me earlier... And I doubt I am the first one to think of this...

Steam cloud related:

[Hidden content]
You can do this for some games yeah! But the developer can specify what files, what extensions, how many and how big they can be so it's dependent on the game.
 

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Impossible, version 1.0.0. was perfect.

And yes I am still annoyed at "experts" from Hardware Unboxed.
Yeah I couldn't believe what they were saying in that video lmao. They said that the game is easy to run, when it's literally one the hardest game to run, even harder than cyberpunk and returnal lol
 
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Let me show you this:


These are the console sales for every year worldwide.
2021 and 2022 are not better, even with the "pandemic bonus" (Didn't find a free statistic for all consoles for the last 2 years) and with supply issues.

And the other thing is, more and more games are GaaS, which are MAYBE System agnostic, meaning you can continue your PS4 game on PS5, but certainly are not platform agnostic. Losing all your progress after the system doesn't sell anymore but you want to continue playing your GaaS while also playing a new game here and there.

Sure you can buy the next console, but you already bought a new PS4 Pro in 2019 for 400 bucks and you need to buy a PS5 for 500 bucks to continue getting to play your GaaS and new games, maybe you don't have that much money or you don't want to buy a new console just after 3 or 4 years while you are happy with playing hundreds of hours of your GaaS game. And how long will the Ps4 GaaS game be patched?

So, PC is easier.
This isn't just about looking at the size of the bars.
You need to take into account that there are no dedicated handhelds now.
Nintendo had 2 separate systems on the market which were consolidated into a single hybrid system.
Sony had the PSP doing good numbers but now doesn't have an equivalent platform.
So both Nintendo and playstation fans now only buy 1 system.
There's data that shows that 2021 was bigger than 2020 and the difference isn't more pronounced because of supply shortages, not because there isn't demand (which was proven beyond doubt in this year's first quarter).
As for people "spending 400 on a PS4 pro and then 500 on a PS5", the pro only represents around 20% of PS4 sales. The majority are migrating from a base PS4.
 

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This isn't just about looking at the size of the bars.
You need to take into account that there are no dedicated handhelds now.
Nintendo had 2 separate systems on the market which were consolidated into a single hybrid system.
Sony had the PSP doing good numbers but now doesn't have an equivalent platform.
So both Nintendo and playstation fans now only buy 1 system.
There's data that shows that 2021 was bigger than 2020 and the difference isn't more pronounced because of supply shortages, not because there isn't demand (which was proven beyond doubt in this year's first quarter).
As for people "spending 400 on a PS4 pro and then 500 on a PS5", the pro only represents around 20% of PS4 sales. The majority are migrating from a base PS4.
You can't just wish away the handheld audience.
Let's look at the Switch, is it a handheld? Is it a console? Does it combine both?
  • If it's both ---> the yearly console/handheld audience shrank in half since 15 years ago
  • If it is a console, and the handheld numbers of previous generations don't count anymore, how do we count the Switch numbers who is a hybrid? Do we discount the switch fully, half? Again, even if we just take half the numbers away from the switch because it is a hybrid, the console audience has shrunk.

The Switch as a system disproves the whole notion that the console handheld market has gone away and should not count when we compare the new generations with the peak of 2007.
 
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it's both ---> the yearly console/handheld audience shrank in half since 15 years ago
The argument is that the same person was buying 2 machines and getting double counted in the bars above and now that double counting is gone with the switch, assuming a large overlap between 3DS audience and Wii/ WiiU.

I don't personally care about this either way but that's how I understood the argument of Dragon1893

It's a inclusion exclusion argument https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inclusion–exclusion_principle

To get the size of the union of handheld and console users, you add the numbers, and then subtract the number of people who have both
 

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After installing the latest Windows 10 updates, all my PC did was showing the following error: "reboot and select proper boot device". Okay fine, but this message appeared BEFORE I was able to press the Del key and enter the bios. I made a bootable USB stick on my laptop but that didn't work either...

Finally I was able to reset the bios on the mobo with a screwdriver because I couldn't find a jumper cap. After doing so, everything was fine again. Gotta love PC gaming sometimes... ;)
 
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After installing the latest Windows 10 updates, all my PC did was showing the following error: "reboot and select proper boot device". Okay fine, but this message appeared BEFORE I was able to press the Del key and enter the bios. I made a bootable USB stick on my laptop but that didn't work either...

Finally I was able to reset the bios on the mobo with a screwdriver because I couldn't find a jumper cap. After doing so, everything was fine again. Gotta love PC gaming sometimes... ;)
You should be able to force entry into BIOS/UEFI via holding some keys when the PC boots up. This differs a lot between manufacturers and is made harder by default settings that reduce BIOS/UEFI time to a few seconds, but I belief the option should also be there somewhere. Might have to find the manual to your specific mobo and check.

But the way it works is that you only get to errors about boot device after the BIOS/UEFI has booted up
 
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The argument is that the same person was buying 2 machines and getting double counted in the bars above and now that double counting is gone with the switch, assuming a large overlap between 3DS audience and Wii/ WiiU.

I don't personally care about this either way but that's how I understood the argument of Dragon1893

It's a inclusion exclusion argument https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inclusion–exclusion_principle

To get the size of the union of handheld and console users, you add the numbers, and then subtract the number of people who have both
You can't just count every handheld user as someone who also had a console.
And it isn't just about the handheld format. The argument is also about the specific genres that console/handheld gaming has either abandoned or marginalized. Many of those customers don't just shrug their shoulders and eat the oatmeal that is left on consoles. They either abandon the hobby, go mobile, or go PC.
 

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A random thought struck me earlier... And I doubt I am the first one to think of this...

Steam cloud related:

[Hidden content]
I've actually done this to YS7 for the Vita DLC that NISA won't add to the PC version. I just store the files needed in Steam Cloud.
 

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And I did it, I ordered 4070. I really am stupid and like to waste money XD But in the other hand I barely spend any money on myself outised of games and clothes so yeah why the hell I am working if I won't spend some money on things I want but don't need XD
 

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And I did it, I ordered 4070. I really am stupid and like to waste money XD But in the other hand I barely spend any money on myself outised of games and clothes so yeah why the hell I am working if I won't spend some money on things I want but don't need XD
I’m in a similar boat to you. I grabbed a 4080 and I’m loving it. Winced at the price, mind, but it’s a damn fine card.
 
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Under Night In-Birth 2, Dragon Quest Treasures for PC, and River City: Rival Showdown rated in Korea

It was a matter of time.

At this point this is mostly "when not if"
 

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Apparently later this month a couple of likely mediocre graphics cards are gonna be released, the RTX 4060 Ti and the RX 7600.
I'm predicting that the performance increase from 3060 Ti to 4060 Ti is gonna be the smallest gen on gen increase since the GTX 760 to GTX 960.

 

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I finished Octopath Traveler 2. It took me about 60 hours to see the end credits. It still has the first game's major flaw where the party doesn't feel well integrated compared to other RPGs, but Team Asano did make a conscious effort to improve this with inter-party conversations and a final act that neatly wraps everything up. The character stories are uneven and some nearly put me to sleep while others were highly interesting. I enjoyed it a lot, but I don't know if it's worthy of the lavish praise I've seen some people give it.

Now we play the waiting game until Friday.

And I did it, I ordered 4070. I really am stupid and like to waste money XD But in the other hand I barely spend any money on myself outised of games and clothes so yeah why the hell I am working if I won't spend some money on things I want but don't need XD
I've had the itch to build a new PC the past few weeks, but I simply can't convince myself to buy a GPU at those prices.
 
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I think it's nice that they also added corresponding (presumably) settings to PC when they worked on creating the performance mode for console (which presumably involved a lot of down-tweaking of rendering and assets). This doesn't always happen.
Indeed. It's a demanding game so some additional flexibility with the settings is welcome.
 
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I've had the itch to build a new PC the past few weeks, but I simply can't convince myself to buy a GPU at those prices.
I allow myself roughly one big purchase per year (sometimes two if i get some surprise deal). And my reasoning is that I can get more for my 3070 this year (it still has 6 months of warranty) than next year, and knowing Nvidia they will charge even more for new GPUs next year.
 
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