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Line

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tbh the fact its Line ... and my opposite taste to him in gams ... kinda sold me more
probelm is i already own everything in it lol
I will never understand that. I did use terms to specify that it was my opinion... but that combat isn't fun because the controls are jank, or souls-mechanics are getting in the way, that's just how the games are. It's not like you can't check the endless negative reviews saying the same thing on Steam for some of those games that are at 70-something on Steam, and 70% positive reviews on Steam is like getting a 56 on opencritic, in the same way that Axion Verge 2 is 12% lower than AV1...
 
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Kyougar

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"More studios should just go indie so they aren't beholden to these awful practices." Her response: the indie space is just as volatile and doing pretty bad right now, studios are closing all the time, they just aren't all big news like a AAA studio closing. Indies are having increasing trouble getting publishing support or just funding for projects in general, specifically because they're often more niche, less focused on monetization, and therefore more risky, even if they're generally smaller scale.
I don't see the point really.

Indie "Industry" is fine.
There will always be studio closures, it's a sad reality. But there are also new Studios being opened or just 1-man devs creating something.
And there will always be articles about Indie Studio xyz not getting funding one of the recent examples of a dev telling about it, was in a Genre that has hundreds of similar games releasing every year. Sucks for the dev, but that is a niche/genre issue and not an industry issue.

But whereas a flop at a big studio might result in layoffs or maybe a closure at worst, an indie flop is probably just going to tank the whole company immediately and it might not even release if the stars don't align.
And this quote I ABSOLUTELY don't understand. Does she mean an independent Indie? a Pub owned indie?
1. If an Indie studio is independent and doesn't get funding, it will close regardless. The only risk in getting funding is the Publisher losing money.
2. If an Indie studio that is owned by a publisher doesn't get work or funding from the publisher they also get closed.

The whole argument doesn't make sense in this regard. It's not like a Schrödingers Indie studio, that can just stay indefinitely in the "seeking funding" phase and only has to fight for its survival after it has funding for the next game.
So yes, there is a CHANCE an Indie Studio closes after a game bombs. But there is a CERTAINTY that the studio closes if they don't get funding. The publisher, in the end isn't risking much. At least not a closure of the publishing company when one Indie game that they funded but doesn't own the studio, tanks.

3. Or does she mean it will tank the publisher? If one game is tanking your publishing company, you took too much risk. But everyone has this issue and there currently is no publishocalypse (of Publishers who fund 3rd-party Indie games and don't own them, The whole Embracer fiasko has nothing to do with this scenario)
 
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I will never understand that. I did use terms to specify that it was my opinion...
and i did state what i stated based of my actual tastes vs years long reading your complains about games .. pretty sure we talked about this so many times over the years

it wasnt an attack on you or anything.... just friendly banter based on shared experience
 
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MonthOLDpickle

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So I am really not accustomed to using a controller on PC it seems as I bought a 8bitdo Pro 2 (great controller) the thing is, the buttons on right side are laid out like the switch (with A being right and B on bottom) + the fact I am used to using PS icons and O being accept anyways....

But everything I play B is accept and A is cancel, it triggers me like DS1 on the switch with B being accept. How do I fix this?

Some games even the X & Y are swapped.

I am surprised I never ran into this much before but I really only used a controller for only a few games & remote link on my phone...but when yea get a new PC and buy games..bound to happen I guess.
 
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Kyougar

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You know?
The biggest achievement of PC gaming was a 25-year long-con to destroy the console market.

What do I talk about?
Good that you asked!
We pretended to be so anal about the best graphics ever, that the consoleros tried to imitate that. We got the foot into the door in the PS3 generation where "can it run Crisis" was still laughed at.
But at least when the PS4 generation started, they were all in on high graphical fidelity and long development cycles.
"The puddle looks awful," they say
"They can't just make worse graphics, no one will buy the games," they say.
"The games NEED hundreds of millions of dollars to succeed," they say.

*slurping tea.
All according to Keikaku
 

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So I am really not accustomed to using a controller on PC it seems as I bought a 8bitdo Pro 2 (great controller) the thing is, the buttons on right side are laid out like the switch (with A being right and B on bottom) + the fact I am used to using PS icons and O being accept anyways....

But everything I play B is accept and A is cancel, it triggers me like DS1 on the switch with B being accept. How do I fix this?

Some games even the X & Y are swapped.

I am surprised I never ran into this much before but I really only used a controller for only a few games & remote link on my phone...but when yea get a new PC and buy games..bound to happen I guess.
If I remember correctly the Pro 2 controller has a switch on the back that can toggle between different modes. If you wanted your PC to recognize the controller as an Xbox pad (as far as Steam is concerned) you could switch to the "X" option which should be xinput. I assume this is currently set to "S" for the Switch mode which would make Steam recognize it as a Switch Pro controller. Let me know if this helps!
 

MonthOLDpickle

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If I remember correctly the Pro 2 controller has a switch on the back that can toggle between different modes. If you wanted your PC to recognize the controller as an Xbox pad (as far as Steam is concerned) you could switch to the "X" option which should be xinput. I assume this is currently set to "S" for the Switch mode which would make Steam recognize it as a Switch Pro controller. Let me know if this helps!
I got that but look at the picture, I am taking about the actual face buttons.
 

Ibuki

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I got that but look at the picture, I am taking about the actual face buttons.
Oh I totally get what you mean now. I have the black Pro 2 model and you can barely even see the letters on the thing. I didn't realize the standard model was so pronounced!

 

「Echo」

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would you guys play a sims game but based on Fallout?

I was thinking about this cuz the MS stuff and I thought Sims was Activision property, but then i remembered it's EA lol. But still...
 
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Blu

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would you guys play a sims game but based on Fallout?

I was thinking about this cuz the MS stuff and I thought Sims was Activision property, but then i remembered it's EA lol. But still...
I thought of


Like EA, it has micro transactions like crazy. A 3D version would be cool though.
 
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QFNS

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would you guys play a sims game but based on Fallout?

I was thinking about this cuz the MS stuff and I thought Sims was Activision property, but then i remembered it's EA lol. But still...
Blu beat me to it. Fallout Shelter is that game. The mobile version was a big deal right before FO4 came out and killed my entire interest in the franchise ever being good again.

Typical mobile game tho. So probably don't bother.
 
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With recent gaming industry happenings i think that we can say that video games are no longer an art. Chasing money and player engagement is not something that is art. Sure there will always be exceptions but looking at the entire AAA industry things don't look that good. So at least that debate can kinda be put to the rest XD
 
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「Echo」

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Well shit. I had the chance to get a brand new 4080 Super at below MSRP and jumped on it. Felt it was too good to pass up. Guess I'll build a new desktop this year after all. :partyblob:



I expect at 1440p I'll be future proofed for another 6-8 years. (Current rig made it 6 years on a 8700k/1080ti->3070ti.)
 

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Well shit. I had the chance to get a brand new 4080 Super at below MSRP and jumped on it. Felt it was too good to pass up. Guess I'll build a new desktop this year after all. :partyblob:



I expect at 1440p I'll be future proofed for another 6-8 years. (Current rig made it 6 years on a 8700k/1080ti->3070ti.)
You're not going to be disappointed with performance I have these specs but I have a 4070 instead, everything runs like a dream, and if a game has DLSS 3 is going to run at competitive framerates. I'm not sure how "future-proof" it is though because AAA PC ports get shittier by the year
 

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You know?
The biggest achievement of PC gaming was a 25-year long-con to destroy the console market.

What do I talk about?
Good that you asked!
We pretended to be so anal about the best graphics ever, that the consoleros tried to imitate that. We got the foot into the door in the PS3 generation where "can it run Crisis" was still laughed at.
But at least when the PS4 generation started, they were all in on high graphical fidelity and long development cycles.
"The puddle looks awful," they say
"They can't just make worse graphics, no one will buy the games," they say.
"The games NEED hundreds of millions of dollars to succeed," they say.

*slurping tea.
All according to Keikaku
I still can't believe how embarrassing those Gaf days were when Xbox one vs PS4 shit went down. The obsession people had with 720p vs 900p or 900p vs 1080p. It was so bad. People were treating terraflops like they were life and death. Console wars basically devolved into zombies and vultures going after each other over the dumbest shit. So much so that it really did shape the graphics debate and AAA industry was molded into this unsustainable mess.

Imagine if console wars were focused more on framerates back in those days. Today 60fps would be the minimum standard. Devs would focus more on gameplay mechanics that take advantage of high framerates instead of spending years crafting copy n pasta open worlds to stuff it with more filler/repetitive content. All the time and money spent on realistic graphics would instead be used for writing, storytelling and other important things that actually flesh out video games bringing them more value. The performance trajectory would have been so much better for the industry today. Its a shame.
 

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Qwl with recent gaming industry happenings i think that we can say that video games are no longer an art. Chasing money and player engagement is not something that is art. Sure there will always be exceptions but looking at the entire AAA industry things don't look that good. So at least that debate can kinda be pit to the rest XD
I consider some videogames to be art.
I consider most videogames not to be art.

But, this has always been the case. Nothing new.

All according to Keikaku
Thanks, I laughed

Where is this from, whose sales?
 
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Anyone who still thinks that Microsoft will fully invest into a new console generation is very optimistic. (If a new Xbox comes, it will be bog standard without any custom (console) high end parts)
Anyone who still thinks that Microsoft will support the next console generation after 2 years of a last effort and still failing, is delusional.
So I think Microsoft is done trying to beat Sony at the console game but I believe that they will keep making console (ish) hardware because it serves their bigger plans. Based on the various rumors flying around it seems that the next Xbox will be much more open, maybe even a PC with an Xbox frontend. Now that Microsoft is basically a gigantic game publisher I think their next goal will be to tear down Sony 's walled garden and Xbox will be important in pushing the market towards that goal.
 

Durante

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I consider some videogames to be art.
I consider most videogames not to be art.

But, this has always been the case. Nothing new.
Yeah, I think saying that most AAA games are primarily designed as products rather than art and therefore games in general aren't art is a bit of a non-sequitur.
It's the same thing as saying most Hollywood movies are products and therefore movies in general aren't art, and I don't think most people would agree with that.
 

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As some who comes from the artworld, photography I my came but was Alabama surrounded with other artists. All art is made as products. It’s all selling. So yeah games are still art, as long as it’s creative expression.
 
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Jav

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Well shit. I had the chance to get a brand new 4080 Super at below MSRP and jumped on it. Felt it was too good to pass up. Guess I'll build a new desktop this year after all. :partyblob:



I expect at 1440p I'll be future proofed for another 6-8 years. (Current rig made it 6 years on a 8700k/1080ti->3070ti.)
Then there is me, who refuses to replace my busted PC because of my absolute ignorance regarding hardware.
 
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thekeats1999

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This is the thing to remember. a lot of what is considered art now was either commissioned, supported by patreons or made to be sold. Some of Charles Dickens works where originally serialised in the equivalant of the tabloids. Shakespeare wrote plays to sell tickets at theatres.

I don't consider something like FIFA to be high art (even art is debatable) but I consider something like the Nier games to be comparable to the likes of Perfect Blue. Hellblade is (very likely divisive) art. The earlier GTA's where art (usually in a very subversive/dark humour way).

Just because something is made to be sold does not mean it is not art. However when it is sold piece meal in small random packages it stops being art for me.
 

「Echo」

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Then there is me, who refuses to replace my busted PC because of my absolute ignorance regarding hardware.
On this forum full of PC nerds we could definitely help you out man. :cat-heart-blob: My dad taught me to build PC's when I was like 8 lol, and the tradition just carried on ever since. I built my first PC from his spare/old parts when i was 10. Then i built another at 14, 22, 26, and now at 32 later this year this will be my 5th build.

I couldn't explain the technical ins-and-0uts of PCIE 3 Vs 4, but I know where to stick all the legos in at least. :LOL:
 

Jav

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On this forum full of PC nerds we could definitely help you out man. :cat-heart-blob: My dad taught me to build PC's when I was like 8 lol, and the tradition just carried on ever since. I built my first PC from his spare/old parts when i was 10. Then i built another at 14, 22, 26, and now at 32 later this year this will be my 5th build.

I couldn't explain the technical ins-and-0uts of PCIE 3 Vs 4, but I know where to stick all the legos in at least. :LOL:
My original plan was to buy a new pc three years ago but between the gpu prices and my ignorance I ended up thinking "I can wait another year", well three years passed and I kept saving to the point where I would say money is not a problem but I still don't know what to buy :face-with-tears-of-joy:
 

Stone Ocean

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would you guys play a sims game but based on Fallout?

I was thinking about this cuz the MS stuff and I thought Sims was Activision property, but then i remembered it's EA lol. But still...
A sims game where you're actually meant to fuck with your sims and make their lives hell by building a fucked up vault? Yeah that would be lit.
 

Kyougar

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I find the discussion that the Indie space is also in danger and must change, disgusting. (in context of the current AAA and console issues)

People talking about the discoverability and the "1 in a 100 are successful" issues and don't think further than that.
What they really want is a curated "indie Experience" where 95% of Indie devs and studios should stop making games so that their premium Indies could have more discoverability and financial success.

While even if we take the 1/100 successes at face value (it isn't, it's just that most people and gaming news only see million sellers as a success)
those 1/100 of successes are still 50 times as many games as the current AAA release state in a year.
 

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What they really want is a curated "indie Experience" where 95% of Indie devs and studios should stop making games so that their premium Indies could have more discoverability and financial success.
A tale as old as time
"Valve shouldn't decide which indie games get on Steam. Players should decide if they want my game on Steam or not" -> Valve comes up with Greenlight
"Actually, players are getting exploited and are causing too many games that aren't mine to release on Steam. I should be able to get on the store on my own" -> Greenlight is gone, everyone can get on Steam
"There are too many games on Steam and it's hard for my game to be seen" -> Valve adds new discoverability tools
"Discoverability is useless. Too many games who aren't mine are getting discovered. Why are japanese indies and porn games selling so much? Who cares if they're good and players like them Valve should put my games on the pedestal" -> Players tell this dev to go find greener pastures. Valve continues to do their own thing
"Really? Then I'll get a fat wad from console maker/Epic and you Steam crybabies will never get my game. Enjoy endless articles from my journalist friends about how you and Valve are evil!" -> Steam users simply play other games. Valve continues to do their own thing without a care in the world
"What do you mean my game isn't selling well and the checks are no longer coming? Steam's success isn't legal! Save me Big Brother!" -> Steam users still play multiple GOTY candidate every year. Valve continues to make money doing their own thing
"It's over. The game industry is dying. Please you must buy my game instead of what you're currently buying or there will be no one else to make games in the future" <- WE ARE HERE
It's a harsh world, but maybe if an indie game fails there are reasons other than discoverability. Even if you spend millions on your game there is no reason players may care, AAA or Indie it doesn't matter. Maybe people now prefer games that run well instead of graphics? Or maybe they prefer a different artstyle than low res pixel art? Maybe everyone should be budget conscious instead of spending too much?

Now let's look at someone who is doing things right:

Persona 3 Reload may end up selling more than FFVII Rebirth when the year is over. Think about that. Maybe this case also shows what players preferences are?
 
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