|OT| The PC Hardware Thread -- Buy/Upgrade/Ask/Answer
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I was like you until I got to try one that:
Had 144
Had a functionality of multi-monitors do (requires more then one input from back), basically gets rid of the middle bezel. It was like using my current setup with two separate monitors minus the gsync.
Now I want one.
I think you make some great points that 10 GB should be enough under reasonable assumptions. But just as games keep blowing up their overall size, I see a lot of devs offer pointless "ULTRA MEGA EPIC" textures on PC that look the same as High, or whatever they used on consoles, and were just blown up by some pointless upscaler. That still causes VRAM consumption to go up, though, as you need to have those pointless 8K textures in the GPU's VRAM. With that in mind, inefficient ports, I doubt 10 GB will really last an entire generation, let alone two.I'm not sure if linking to my thread on ResetEra is considered poor taste and I should copy and paste this into a new thread here, but I spent a really long time on a writeup analyzing why I believe 10GB of VRAM on the 3080 is more than sufficient to last the next 1-2 GPU generations.
VRAM in 2020-2024: Why 10GB is enough.
2021 Edit: Stop making threads or comments with false data. Please back up claims with this tool. IMPORTANT EDIT: MSI Afterburner now has a way to display "Per Process VRAM Commit", which I refer to in this article as "VRAM Usage" Please see...
Mind you, perhaps I'm being needlessly pessimistic, and even I would only really worry about this at 4K. For 1440p, 10 GB is already overkill, I notice that with my 2080 Ti when playing on 1440. There are some games that do hit like 7GB, though, if you let them, which is at times a bit worrisome.
The thing is that at some point you will no longer be satisfied with the performance you get (it might be from the VRAM, the card not being fast enough, maybe some new tech that performs terribly in the card, etc).
Will the VRAM be the first bottleneck of the 3080? Maybe.
But maybe when the VRAM starts being a problem the rest of the card will also not offer the performance that one wants from it.
Will the VRAM be the first bottleneck of the 3080? Maybe.
But maybe when the VRAM starts being a problem the rest of the card will also not offer the performance that one wants from it.
I lately started noticing games even hitting above 11GB, like Marvel Avenger's or HZD. At 1440p that is.
Quickly turning around and noticing a small stutter (not fps drop, real stutter) while VRAM is practically maxed out (here: 10700mb+) is often a sign of textures being swapped out and VRAM a bottleneck.
That said, those are the only two games where I've noticed this kind of behavior and that could very well be due to other engine problems as both games didn't launch in a great state.
I agree though: 10GB will be plenty for most games if you do not plan to cross the 1440p line, especially as reducing texture quality (or not installing "ultra" packs) is a viable solution
Which brings me back to the 3070 having 8GB.
I'm beginning to worry i may have to upgrade my whole PC, as I can't find the information i need. I have:
Ryzen 7 1700
GSkill 16 gb RAM
MSI X370 Gaming Plus
(Currently) Rx 580 8gb
should I be fine when upgrading to a 30 series gpu? I just ordered a new PSU because I had some random power downs a couple days ago, but temps were fine. Preemptive thanks!
Thanks, Pickle! I haven't been able to try one out, but it would be cool to try. I wouldn't want to make that big of a purchase and have to worry about refunding if i didn't like it and all that. I also don't want to go looking for one in store anywhere due to the pandemic, it messes with my nerves! lol
Ryzen 7 1700
GSkill 16 gb RAM
MSI X370 Gaming Plus
(Currently) Rx 580 8gb
should I be fine when upgrading to a 30 series gpu? I just ordered a new PSU because I had some random power downs a couple days ago, but temps were fine. Preemptive thanks!
Thanks, Pickle! I haven't been able to try one out, but it would be cool to try. I wouldn't want to make that big of a purchase and have to worry about refunding if i didn't like it and all that. I also don't want to go looking for one in store anywhere due to the pandemic, it messes with my nerves! lol
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If you have enough space in your PC case, enough slots to fit in, and enough power to power it, then you should be fine. GPUs are aside from power draw compatible with everything.
Yeah, i think I have enough space / slots to fit in. That PSU I ordered is 850W, i forget which it was. So I'm guessing I should be fine. Thanks a ton, Mivey. I had some assurance when talking to my friend about it, but he suggested I ask on here.
I live in Taiwan but youtube I guess. The LG has software where you can split them in any way you want. Also avoid nanocell if you want it to be cheaper lol.
The instruction manual on my new case says "up to 490mm in length for GPU" so looks like I'm okay.
You're good. an 850W power supply is complete overkill for any single GPU system.
Finally, I'll know just how much debt I want to create in order to get a new gpu and cpu
So even if all the Nvidia cards come out, there's still a chance I can play Cyberpunk with a next-gen card.
Nice.
for 1080p and current ryzen gen i'd recommend a 3600/3700. 3080 is a lot of overkill for that res but certainly leaves plenty of headroom for when you upgrade monitors. plus if you get a 550/570 mobo you are set for 3000 and 4000 series cpus.
or just do what i did before and go with the cheapest option til the next generation is announced and sell your cpu to fund the next gen upgrade. there's the 3100 option on the low end for like $100 if you go that route.
orrrrr go with a 3900x and be futureproofed at 1080p res for another decade.
or just do what i did before and go with the cheapest option til the next generation is announced and sell your cpu to fund the next gen upgrade. there's the 3100 option on the low end for like $100 if you go that route.
orrrrr go with a 3900x and be futureproofed at 1080p res for another decade.
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i'm not as up to date on intel but i believe their current top end is the 10900k? from what i've read, intel is currently beating amd in single core performance but falls behind in multi core.
i feel like at this point any top end current cpu will be a killer at 1080p for years and years to come so there's not really a bad choice. i'm running a 3900x at 1440p and its barely breaking a sweat with anything i'm playing.
i feel like at this point any top end current cpu will be a killer at 1080p for years and years to come so there's not really a bad choice. i'm running a 3900x at 1440p and its barely breaking a sweat with anything i'm playing.
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How much do you want to spend? For high-refresh gaming (which I assume is what you are interested in with a 3080 @ 1080p) a 10900k is still the best, and a 10850 is basically the same thing for a slightly lower price.
I haven't put any spending limit on any PC components right now, but checking the Norwegian prices for the 10900k and 3900k I should be able to afford them.
However the 3900k is abit over 100 dollars cheaper than the 10900k, but both are still affordable as the prices are right now.
But then again, Im not looking into building a PC until more games start struggling.
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Depends on the FPS target
Unlocked FPS, with VRR on a fullHD display that is able to go beyond 144Hz? You'd still want Intel.
10600k can be enough, especially when overclocked (clock and cache) and paired with very fast memory (4200+).
10900k would be the high end solution, that I'd recommend for ultra fast FPS gaming without limits though. Especially on such a (potentially) fast GPU.
The downsides is:
You'd be stuck on PCI-E Gen 3.0 and exclude yourself from the beauty of those new 7GB/s NVMe speeds. But they aren't currently relevant. That might change with StoreMI and Nvidias support for it in the future, or it won't. PCIe 3.0 might also just be fine for that. I don't know.
But maybe something to keep in mind if you plan to stay on one CPU for very long.
3900x is nice and also capable of high refresh rates. Just not as good as Intel.
I think it's a bit more "future proof" because it already supports PCI Gen 4.0 and AM4 boards will be able to carry Ryzen 4000 desktop CPUs. Which opens up a nice, cheap upgrade path for the future.
i'm rocking a 3900x at 1440/120 right now and doing very well but the same advice applies. intel has the advantage in games because of single core performance but amd has the price advantage at the cost of some performance, though neither cpu is a slacker.
also ISee is correct with the am4 statement. you'll be able to move up to 4000 series if you get a modern am4 mobo which is real nice.
Knowing your System Li Kao: You are already on a AM4 board. The cheapest solution is a Ryzen 3000 CPU for you. Wait till they fall in price when Ryzen 4000 releases and get a good deal on a 3700x.
Thanks for the info.
I still don't see myself building a new PC until next year or at least until more games are struggling hitting an FPS above 60, but this is good to know info.
all this talk of upgrades and 30 series gpus and such really has me kicking myself. i built my current pc to play cyberpunk very well while still keeping a reasonable price and i wish i'd known it was gonna get delayed lol. wouldn't have spent the money on a 2070s and could have kept my old card and just bought a 3070/3080 instead.
i'm sure i'll still be just fine to run the game but its just one of those "if i knew then what i know now" situations.
i'm sure i'll still be just fine to run the game but its just one of those "if i knew then what i know now" situations.
3070 price to performance is looking truly excellent. i wouldn't get anything lower.
I don't know Li, I've not seen benchmarks and have no idea how taxing games in the year 2021 are going to be.
I'm sorry, I still don't know.I was talking about the examples we have right now, like Control
| - | Shading Units | RT cores | Tensor Cores | Memory | Bandwidth | Theoretical FP32 performance at 1900MHz |
| 2080 Ti | 4352 | 68 | 544 | 11GB GDDR6 | 616 GB/s | 16.5 tflops |
| 3070 | 5888 | 46 | 184 | 8GB GDDR6 | 448 GB/s | 22.4 tflops |
On paper a 3070 should be 35% faster than a 2080Ti, at "classic" rasterization workloads that are mainly using floating point calculations.
Ampere RT and Tensor Cores cores are supposed to be twice as effective, but a 2080Ti has more of them (+200% Tensor cores, +50% RT cores)
and memory bandwidth is +35% faster. How relevant is all that?
NVIDIA "estimates" that a 3070 is slightly faster than a 2080Ti. I would assume a 3070 is singificantly faster at RT workloads though. But
: I don't know.I need to see independent benchmarks and I'd prefer if reviewers wouldn't use 2080Ti FE cards. I want to see partner cards against similar partner cards.
It's me who is sorry, I wasn't asking for such in-depth reply
I was just wondering if for 1440/120 and a newish AMD CPU a RTX 3080 would be overkill, at first glance.
Don't be. I just don't know how to answer the question.It's me who is sorry, I wasn't asking for such in-depth reply
I was just wondering if for 1440/120 and a newish AMD CPU a RTX 3080 would be overkill, at first glance.
Personally, I don't think overkill exists
Last year many people would have said that a 2070s is more than enough for 1440p.
Now people are saying that a 3070 (~2080Ti) is great for 1440p.
It's all relative.
3070 or 3080 would both be great choices imo. plus the good part of a pc part being "overkill" is you can just keep it for longer
Not sure if meta considers this hardware or not, but recommendations for chairs? the current one my wife and I use for our gaming pc ... well it's not great
I know nothing about office chairs other than I need a high back and good cushioning for my bony ass,though i have been told gaming chairs arent worth the money and knockoffs even less.
I know nothing about office chairs other than I need a high back and good cushioning for my bony ass,though i have been told gaming chairs arent worth the money and knockoffs even less.
i got a secretlab last week (titan b/w cloth, they make different models for height/weight) and i'm really enjoying it. adjustable armrests, has a weight to it and feels like a solid build, plus adjustable lumbar support and a real nice head pillow. also a 5 year warranty so that's nice just in case.
drawback maybe for you is that it feels pretty firm but also has a lot of thick cushion if that makes sense. however because its a bit thick my back does feel a little hot at times, but not enough that i'm sweating more. supposedly the leather version gets hotter and is making people sweat so that's why i avoided it.
This is the office chair we have at work, in exaggerated quantities. Somebody must have bought a container full of them a couple years ago.
Amazon product
I like the chair so much that I borrowed two of them a couple years ago for home. First Time I'm actually looking up how much they cost.
I need to have a serious talk with myself about misappropriate, long loan periods.
It's also not like I stole them. I was very upfront to everybody about borrowing one for home office needs. Not my fault they weren't counting.
firm is fine, it just needs padding in the seat. It's like my butt is designed to find the fault in every seat cushion. As for the heat, don't mind it. Have had leather chairs before, so i know what to expect vs mesh. Will look into secretlab and see what that'll run me.
Back again after a 3 day self-imposed vacation by rebuilding my PC, kinda. I was not happy with the heat and noise from my stock AMD Wraith Prism RGB cooler so i'm now water-cooled, yay. Temps are still high-ish so i'll put together a decent post asking for advice later on. I'm just waiting for an ARGB converter cable as the one with my mobo is in storage, probably, or i've lost it. Once the new cable turns up i'll get the RGB on the fans sorted, cram the cables into the back of the case, close it up and never open it again.
Seriously, how do people neatly fit 60m of cables into their PCs? How? Mine is like trying to close a holiday suitcase!
Seriously, how do people neatly fit 60m of cables into their PCs? How? Mine is like trying to close a holiday suitcase!
More partner cards have popped up over here, starting to get a some idea of the actual pricing on 3080s at least. Still only on just one store though for some reason so can't compare too much just yet.
Both my 970 and 1070 were MSI Gaming X cards, leaning heavily towards that one again, pending reviews of course.
Both my 970 and 1070 were MSI Gaming X cards, leaning heavily towards that one again, pending reviews of course.
My RTX 2070 is giving me decent performance so i'm actually leaning towards waiting rather than entering the rat-race scrabble for cards at launch. Dunno though. Shiny new gfx cards are really tempting.
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Same, only with the 2070 Super. At this point I'm more interested in grabbing a new TV rather than forever upgrading my PC.
I'll build a new system with the best parts available in 12-18 months.
I have replaced my faulty GPU (AMD Radeon HD 7770 with 1 GB VRAM) with a new GPU (Nvidia Geforce GTX 1050 Ti with 4 GB VRAM). It is so good to be part of the 60-fps club. I will finally be able to play some of the games which I own and could not play like Spyro. The GPU temperature is surprisingly low (35°C in-game) with CPU temperature (45°C in-game), so both lower than what I used to see (60°C-70°C).
I am also ready for Spelunky 2 in two weeks.
I am also ready for Spelunky 2 in two weeks.
Thinking of getting USB keyboards like this, for work :
Logitech K120
HP 100 Wired Keyboard
I was wondering how good are they for playing. I've been playing on my gaming laptop keyboard for a VERY long time, that I don't know how how actual gaming keyboards are like.
Should I go for these, or is there some better option?
Logitech K120
HP 100 Wired Keyboard
I was wondering how good are they for playing. I've been playing on my gaming laptop keyboard for a VERY long time, that I don't know how how actual gaming keyboards are like.
Should I go for these, or is there some better option?
Let me preface by telling you the ultimate answer: it's all personal preference. Now, on the other hand (lol): honestly you can find something a bit better for around the same price. Both of those are good for office work, surely, but maybe not for gaming. Again, it depends on whether you like fast response, higher actuation, etc. It's difficult without being able to try out in person.