Glad I managed to sell some of those Persona cards quickly, the first I sold for 1€ haha! then they went down like 30% each after that.
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I don't know about that. I have absolutely no problem with anime and I still wouldn't classify Dark Souls as a JRPG.
(Because "RPG from Japan" is quite a useless genre classification, and because it's much more convenient to be able to talk about e.g. Edge of Eternity or Cosmic Star Heroine as JRPGs, because then we can have a shared game-characteristics-based understanding of what that means)
My intent wasn't to overly generalize, it just seems to me that way for many people.
I too don't have an issue with Anime and wouldn't classify Dark Souls as a JRPG.
It all comes down to the one question. "What game would you recommend a person who wants to play a JRPG" And never in a hundred ways would your first, or second, or tenth choice be a Souls game. We have a genre for people who like games like Dark Souls. It is called "Souls-like"
I agree. "Genre" is used to describe a certain style that products of art have in common. The regions they were made in are irrelevant. Which not true with non artistic products, like certain alcoholic beverages, cheese, meat products etc.
Let's take a simple example from another art form: Movies. "Film Noir" has its roots in german expressionist cinematography, uses a french name and is mostly used to describe american crime movies from the 40s/50s. And than there are plenty of film noir subgenres that people argue about all day long.
A JRPG can be made by a studio outside of Japan and a "W"RPG or EuroJank RPG can be made by a studio in Japan. The style matters and Dark Souls isn't a JRPG imo.
Let's take a simple example from another art form: Movies. "Film Noir" has its roots in german expressionist cinematography, uses a french name and is mostly used to describe american crime movies from the 40s/50s. And than there are plenty of film noir subgenres that people argue about all day long.
A JRPG can be made by a studio outside of Japan and a "W"RPG or EuroJank RPG can be made by a studio in Japan. The style matters and Dark Souls isn't a JRPG imo.
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Might be nothing but I think KH websites didn't have this references on the code before.
The three big philosophical questions of mankinds eras.
300 BC - What does it mean to be a good person?
1600 - What does it mean to be?
2000 - What does it mean to be a JRPG?
300 BC - What does it mean to be a good person?
1600 - What does it mean to be?
2000 - What does it mean to be a JRPG?
Ah it's simple, when someone says JRPG I just think AnimeRPG.
There are games I'd call JRPG which aren't anime-style but it's pretty rare. (One example is Anachronox, which is neither Japanese nor Anime, but still pretty clearly a JRPG IMHO)
This whole 'jRPG argument' y'all referencing comes off like this to me
No offense.
Elements from various forms and styles of RPGs can be mixed up or utilized. It is understandable to use certain game names to give an idea of how the combat or progression can come off like. For example
Xanadu Next is an Action RPG with an emphasis on some min-maxing stats, all set within an interconnected world or setting. Think a combination of Diablo's combat and gameplay mixed with the exploration and light puzzles of Legend of Zelda. Also Sokoban.
I guess I've come to the point where if I'm told something is more jRPG or is very cRPG like, I just shrug and look at what I like best in such an RPG and roll with that.
No offense.
Elements from various forms and styles of RPGs can be mixed up or utilized. It is understandable to use certain game names to give an idea of how the combat or progression can come off like. For example
Xanadu Next is an Action RPG with an emphasis on some min-maxing stats, all set within an interconnected world or setting. Think a combination of Diablo's combat and gameplay mixed with the exploration and light puzzles of Legend of Zelda. Also Sokoban.
I guess I've come to the point where if I'm told something is more jRPG or is very cRPG like, I just shrug and look at what I like best in such an RPG and roll with that.
This is where I'm at.
Most of the time, I'd think of anime when describing JRPGs. Because the exception to that rule is very very rare. Thus, I will not paint Souls game as JRPG.
2020 please calm down
Might be nothing but I think KH websites didn't have this references on the code before.
Haha yeah, it's a year to remember, for good and bad reasons but in general there's no denial that 2020 is a very interesting and crazy year in all possible aspects
Regarding the JRPG topic. I think it could be better if we define what JRPG stands for these days. I think most opinions Ive read so far got a valid point. There isn't probably a right and correct answer and it will heavily depend on personal criteria from previous JRPG definition.
Personally when I think on JRPG it gets immediately to my mind PS1 and previously era games. And as for an modern example, Dragon Quest XI feels more like a traditional and pure JRPG to me than FFXV. The latter feels like an experiment opting for a more modern (action based) RPG approach.
In summary, I wouldn't call Dark Souls a JRPG unless we theoretically opted to define the term as any RPG made by Japanese companies.
Personally when I think on JRPG it gets immediately to my mind PS1 and previously era games. And as for an modern example, Dragon Quest XI feels more like a traditional and pure JRPG to me than FFXV. The latter feels like an experiment opting for a more modern (action based) RPG approach.
In summary, I wouldn't call Dark Souls a JRPG unless we theoretically opted to define the term as any RPG made by Japanese companies.
Reason: Added Souls personal opinion
I'm sure that there are plenty of ways to see a J-RPG, and that would vary for every person and every game, games are rarely that easy to classify. Hell, Granddaddy Dragon Quest certainly has more in common with Wizardry than Resonance of Fate.
The only thing that probably should not be used as definition is "RPG from Japan", because it's not like we call Mass Effect a Canadian-RPG or The Witcher a Polish-RPG.
That's a very weird distinction and it tells you nothing.
The only thing that probably should not be used as definition is "RPG from Japan", because it's not like we call Mass Effect a Canadian-RPG or The Witcher a Polish-RPG.
That's a very weird distinction and it tells you nothing.
Funny thing you mentioned on your last paragrah is that many sites refer The Witcher as a Western-RPG. Maybe they don't use/add the Polish word but surely they use Western. Same applies to Mass Effect. So yeah, in the end its not only a country but sometimes an entire region which is tagged or labbed for a genre as a subgenre
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To me, the most fundamental gameplay indicator of a JRPG (in terms of genre) is the distinction between the combat and non-combat gameplay sequences, which is then further solidified by ancillary elements like what traits are of relevance in the character sheet (i.e. typically no non-combat skills) and the verbs you have available to you outside of combat.
In every game I'd classify as a JRPG, you spend part of the game walking around and doing basic interactions in the world (talk, open chest, pick up, etc.) and another part in which you get sectioned off from the aforementioned to engage in combat. Once that happens, your set of verbs changes entirely and you enter combat either through an active battle system (e.g. Tales of, Xenoblade, more recent Final Fantasy games) or a turn based one (Dragon Quest, Cosmic Star Heroine, etc.).
CRPGs have similar tendencies, but they have different types of character sheets, your out-of-combat verbs tend to be much broader, and you can usually manually engage the combat verb set, unlike JRPGs in which those are sectioned off entirely.
So, following this, Yakuza is most definitely a JRPG whereas something like Nier: Automata and Dark Souls are Action RPGs. Another one that often comes up is Monster Hunter, which in my opinion is just an Action game with light RPG elements. And Zelda is certainly not an RPG I think, unless you're taking RPG in the most literal sense. It's one of the clearest examples of Action-Adventure there is.
I can’t think of a game that’s generally agreed upon to be a JRPG but doesn’t fit into this categorization. Nier: Automata would probably be among the most contentious for not being a JRPG, but it just isn’t one in my mind
In every game I'd classify as a JRPG, you spend part of the game walking around and doing basic interactions in the world (talk, open chest, pick up, etc.) and another part in which you get sectioned off from the aforementioned to engage in combat. Once that happens, your set of verbs changes entirely and you enter combat either through an active battle system (e.g. Tales of, Xenoblade, more recent Final Fantasy games) or a turn based one (Dragon Quest, Cosmic Star Heroine, etc.).
CRPGs have similar tendencies, but they have different types of character sheets, your out-of-combat verbs tend to be much broader, and you can usually manually engage the combat verb set, unlike JRPGs in which those are sectioned off entirely.
So, following this, Yakuza is most definitely a JRPG whereas something like Nier: Automata and Dark Souls are Action RPGs. Another one that often comes up is Monster Hunter, which in my opinion is just an Action game with light RPG elements. And Zelda is certainly not an RPG I think, unless you're taking RPG in the most literal sense. It's one of the clearest examples of Action-Adventure there is.
I can’t think of a game that’s generally agreed upon to be a JRPG but doesn’t fit into this categorization. Nier: Automata would probably be among the most contentious for not being a JRPG, but it just isn’t one in my mind
WRPG is such a weird concept to me. Sure, JRPG is also ill-defined but the only way I'd define a "WRPG" is in contrast to a JRPG. Action RPG and CRPG tell me a lot more about the basic gameplay conceits than WRPG would, both of which would fall under the overarching WRPG moniker most of the time.
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Oh no my windows tablet stopped recharging! What will I do without my movie porn watching machine! Hopefully it's just a charger and can get a new one, but since it some weird old non-standard I have little hope those still exist.
Outer Wilds finally out this this, very excited for it. It's not a game for everyone so you better read up on the game before buying it.
I've discovered a region I'm calling Oilland. It was in severe need of some freedom, so I packed up my energysword, a couple hundred rounds of ammunition and liberated it. After killing everything that I didn't like, I concentrated all my effort to build oil extractors and pipelines that are running back into my home turf. I had no idea this freedom business is that exhausting and expansive. I better take all the Oil for myself to cover my costs.
1140m³ per minute. Or roughly 7.2 barrels of crude oil per minute in modern world terms. Worth it.
1140m³ per minute. Or roughly 7.2 barrels of crude oil per minute in modern world terms. Worth it.
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I agree with this. I commonly find uses for "CRPG", "JRPG", "ARPG" or "SRPG", but I never really figured out the utility of "WRPG".
I guess it's
WRPG = RPG \ JRPG
in set notiation
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i love your Satisfactory posts ... please, don't stop!
I agree with you on your post. I think your definition nailed it. Well at least that's how I understand and see either JRPG or any other subRPG genre.
I also find weird the use of WRPG these days but as you mentioned I think many news sites use it exactly in contrast to the classic JRPGs. I don't think I've ever used the term before but as Durante said I can find commonly an easy use for the JRPG term instead.
And now that you mentioned SRPG, then we have as well TRPG which I honestly believe refer to the same kind of games, please correct me if I'm wrong. Moreover I think Final Fantasy Tactics is in one a kind weird situation. It's still not on Steam despite being part of the well-known and sold FF franchise.
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I feel that PC gaming is starting this upcoming generation in the best position it has ever had. I understand the love for the 90s era as we got a ton of PC classics but right now PC gaming offers a truly staggering amount of choice and quality of service. I've been playing on PC since the late 80s and I firmly believe that this is the best time be a PC gamer. I'm really happy with how the platform has evolved over the years.
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i think the answer is pretty obvious
Bad sales, little talk about those EGS exclusives and when they dropped on Steam they sold better so now they want to increase sales by launching day 1 on Steam?i think the answer is pretty obvious
That or maybe no more exclusivity payments from Epic as those games are really niche so they probably focused on cheaper options or more mainstream products, while a Journey and an Outer Wilds will give you names (and even more after they get recognized by the media and the industry with all the prizes) those are not really hot releases in terms of sales, so yeah, I think they are just more comfortable on Steam and GOG in general, but weird things is that most of their multi-store releases are not on EGS.
So who knows what happened, maybe something internal between companies or just not interested on such ecosystem.
[UWSL]Most of Epic’s non exclusive game giveaways were games not available on EGS prior to the giveaway. Maybe devs aren’t putting their multi-store releases on EGS because they know barely anyone is gonna buy their games there anyway and as a bonus they can keep themselves open to the opportunity of Epic paying them to put their game on EGS as a free giveaway.[/UWSL]
Obviously I doubt this is the case but god what a backfire that would be on Epic if devs actually started doing this lol
Anyway hopefully Annapurna stays away from new egs deals because all the games they have currently announced for Steam are up my alley and im looking forward to them all. Twelve Minutes in particular looks really cool.
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I think it's just as likely that EGS is no longer willing to pay much since they figure that no one who hasn't done so yet is going to start using EGS for a random Annapurna game.
I agree with anii-chan ! The post was already interesting but really surprised me when it turned out you were taking a jab at the Freedom Wars tm (superscript doesn't work)i love your Satisfactory posts ... please, don't stop!
I just woke up in a bad mood and I am offered this. MetaCouncil
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yooo ... Overlord games are great .... although no clue about the recent isometric one
Seeing that it's going to be a rainy week in Paris, outwardly I curse it and tell how much I miss the sun... but I'm kind of hyped to just play P4G all week!
I'm really sorry, I know first-hand how that can throw your routine and life out of whack. I hope that you can fix it!
I still think the 00's were a better and more diverse time by far but this is indeed the best we've been since Gen7 rolled around.
For fuck's sake, the price of a wireless xbox pad plus play and charge kit
But cat + long cable going from the case to the TV
Or there may be a thing to buy and make the DS4 wireless... but that wouldn't solve the GamePass issue.
But is it an issue.
So much indecision.
But cat + long cable going from the case to the TV
Or there may be a thing to buy and make the DS4 wireless... but that wouldn't solve the GamePass issue.
But is it an issue.
So much indecision.
Finally finished my second ever run through the original Unreal and now I'm just fucking bummed that the traditional single player FPS design - as much adventure as action, which was a powerhouse and definitive genre of video games, is basically dead.
I really hope this was either a joke or a single dev’s note to himself.
Might be nothing but I think KH websites didn't have this references on the code before.
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I mean that must have been cheaper than my pad.
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I actually know someone who loves Hitman Absolution mainly because of those fetish nuns.
I liked it for what it was, but vastly prefer the 2016 series and its systemic approach. The old ones are too janky to play now, but the new ones? Easily among my favourite games of all time.
Well, I was talking about the website references for Switch and PC but yeah, those other references... not cool
I feel so embarrassed, I forgot to mention what the true defining feature of a JRPG is. Does it have finishing. That's all you need in order to be a JRPG. Its as simple as that.
Sorry for my previous blunder I will now go play a game of Sodoku.
"That's a twist"
Also according to some dude in Japan. P4G on PS4 at ¥4000 could sell over 100,000 copies in its first week. Which I mean seems possible. I don't think some people know what concurrent players mean since it did seem like some were mentioning how people don't play on PC since 30k is a "low number".
Sorry for my previous blunder I will now go play a game of Sodoku.
In the words of Detective Pikachu
"That's a twist"
Also according to some dude in Japan. P4G on PS4 at ¥4000 could sell over 100,000 copies in its first week. Which I mean seems possible. I don't think some people know what concurrent players mean since it did seem like some were mentioning how people don't play on PC since 30k is a "low number".
I am pretty much done with Satisfactory. Ignoring the first person view issues and practically clipping issues, the game isn't that deep enough for me.
Time to continue shilling Hardspace Shipbreaker (even though I haven't played it)
Gameplay Demo from the IGN's stream. I guess I will try a no-scanner run after playing this for a while. Sounds like a good challenge.
)Gameplay Demo from the IGN's stream. I guess I will try a no-scanner run after playing this for a while. Sounds like a good challenge.
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