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warp_ said:
and i guess mentioning game pass isn't cool but the threat of rising game prices almost certainly factored in to the ms push towards that service (and xcloud) for next gen consoles. that and having like one exclusive game. :LOL:

it could end up being a major factor in the casual market but the casual market is also buying $1000 iphones so who the hell knows what they think about game/console prices?
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As amazing as Gamepass has been...I don't see it surviving with the current prices. I think both PC and console gamepass will settle around 15-20$ per month by the end of the next gen. Similar to high tier of netflix. And it will probably still be worth it if MS continues to flex with 1st/3rd party content.

The last 2 months and this upcoming week of gamepass PC has been ridiculous.

Undermine
Carrion
Flight Sim
Wasteland 3
CK3
Touryst
Battletoads
Neon Abyss
Grounded
Spiritfarer
Tell me why

Its absolutely insane they are still only charging 5$ a month.
 
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warp_ said:
this is a sidenote, and maybe i'm misjudging, but i'm surprised that a pc forum so up in arms over this. i figured folks were already waiting for deals on games anyway or getting them discounted at launch. seems
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Because protesting this is the right thing to do, because people do buy day one for games they are excited for and because you can bet that this increase will be reflected even on discounted prices.

You can be apathetic if you want but this matters to people like me for whom 10$ actually means something. Games are also a tremendous medium for improving mental health and happiness, they are works of imagination and many can remind people to hold on, to dream, that there is more.

They aren't any more toys than books are dense toilet paper.
 
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On the price discussion, prices were going to go up eventually (they want more money it's that simple).

That said there are companies who have been selling their games for 70€ for quite a while (looking at you K-T, and also Microsoft).
 
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It's good, not perfect and has a couple pacing problems in the middle, but it will pick up again. I promise. Worth the entry price imo.





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It's good, not perfect and has a couple pacing problems in the middle, but it will pick up again. I promise. Worth the entry price imo.





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Nabs said:
lol They finally updated the date on The Last Campfire storepage to 2021. I hate how they've handled all of this. The website still pushes you to wishlist on Steam 😂
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only took them like 24 hours. :evilblob:
 
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It's a shame Activision doesn't have a service like EA Play. I don't care at all about Call of Duty's multiplayer but I would be happy to pay for a month's subscription to play the campaigns. I haven's played most recent COD campaigns because the games are very rarely offered at a good discount.
 
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Very excited to finally pick up Control today. Played it last year via arrr and liked it a lot despite it's flaws.
 
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curi0usBystander said:
Excluding the humble monthly have activision games ever had a big discount ?
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There was - 80% CoD bundle on Steam after release of ww2. (all games & dlc, or version without dlc and some filler games)

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The metagame of guessing the right time to buy on CDK is always fun 😅 Had a few good ones, messed up other times.
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In a society that tries to push the notion that the more spare money you have to purchase useless shit you like, the happier and better person you are, I really cannot understand why people can't see the problem with raising prices for games. You don't buy into that idea? Fine, I'm happy for you, but maybe try to look beyond your own personal situation? The fact is that this shitty notion has crawled into the mind of the vast majority of people and having to renounce getting something they used to be able to afford is going to make a lot of people more miserable because they'll feel part of a lesser group in society (back to the notion 'the more shit you buy, the better you are as a human being'). Richer folks will still be able to enjoy a game on day one, just like you did up until a few months ago, you'll suddenly won't anymore and you'll be left out, with obvious repercussions on your mental health.
 
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As previously said, the in-page broadcast just started, so chances for the front page banner are high, let's see what happens :blobeyes::blobeyes::blobeyes:

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I bought the highest amount of games back when new AAA titles were priced at 130-150 PLN, which is $35-40. Ever since prices increased, I only buy the games that I really want on launch (usually 1-3 per year) and only if I can find them on some third-party site priced around 150 PLN equivalent. Otherwise I just wait for sale, my backlog is huge and I don't have as much time to play as I used to anyway. Waiting for sale often makes me realize that the game isn't really worth buying at all and I end up saving money, so there's that.
 
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Francis W.M. said:
In a society that tries to push the notion that the more spare money you have to purchase useless shit you like, the happier and better person you are, I really cannot understand why people can't see the problem with raising prices for games. You don't buy into that idea? Fine, I'm happy for you, but maybe try to look beyond your own personal situation? The fact is that this shitty notion has crawled into the mind of the vast majority of people and having to renounce getting something they used to be able to afford is going to make a lot of people more miserable because they'll feel part of a lesser group in society (back to the notion 'the more shit you buy, the better you are as a human being'). Richer folks will still be able to enjoy a game on day one, just like you did up until a few months ago, you'll suddenly won't anymore and you'll be left out, with obvious repercussions on your mental health.
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Nothing new, has been a few years now (since 2008 ?) that we are in a social disestablishment period. I live it. It can eat you whole.
Only thing impressive here is our societies have been fool proofed as to have millions of people die in silence. Well not total silence, as seen in the yellow vests and other movements of this kind, but near.

If something cracks and shit hits the fan, I can't say I will shed many tears.
 
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Francis W.M. said:
In a society that tries to push the notion that the more spare money you have to purchase useless shit you like, the happier and better person you are, I really cannot understand why people can't see the problem with raising prices for games. You don't buy into that idea? Fine, I'm happy for you, but maybe try to look beyond your own personal situation? The fact is that this shitty notion has crawled into the mind of the vast majority of people and having to renounce getting something they used to be able to afford is going to make a lot of people more miserable because they'll feel part of a lesser group in society (back to the notion 'the more shit you buy, the better you are as a human being'). Richer folks will still be able to enjoy a game on day one, just like you did up until a few months ago, you'll suddenly won't anymore and you'll be left out, with obvious repercussions on your mental health.
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I understand your frustation and in a way I kinda share it but at the end of the day we're forgetting 2 very important factors:
  1. Videogames, as well as all other hobbies, are luxury items. You don't need them to survive or at least they are a couple of orders of magnitude behind food, water and shelter for instance.
    As with all luxury items, apart from the rare cases when they become collectibles, they devalue extremely fast, so getting something of this category of items right on release is the worst economic decision one can make, especially considering the world and timeline we currently live in where the cost of living is increasing year after year, and not by a negletful amount, and, for the most part, income is stagnant, so the vast majority of people are becoming poorer as days go by.
    The stupidity of this whole affair is the notion that "What you have defines you". No. You're much more than a collector of stuff and in fact what you buy is the least interestingthing about you. This is an ideology years in the making that intends to dehumanize us and transform us into consumers who blindly buy the things companies tell us to buy and get hypped for the next thing. You can see it across the whole spectrum of companies and products, so obviously videogame companies share the same mindset. They prey on FOMO. They prey on hype and this tribal mentality that has been cultivated for years. We are smarter than that, we can break free but we need to stop feeding the system that's treating us like cattle.
  2. The whole socio-economic struture is built upon the principles of short-term gains and continuous growth. Companies sole responsability in society lies with their shareholders and is "Do everything possible to maximize their gains/profits". There's zero fucks given to their employees or costumers, as far as the companies care we are obstacles towards their endgoal.
    The move towards 70$/€ games is the system working as intended and tbh I'm surprised it took this long. Favoring short-term burst of cash influx, praying on pre-orders and first week sales, to show signs of continuous growth to increase the share value and make the shareholders richer. And, as I said in my previous point, none of this favours you. You could easily wait 6months or a year and get the same experience that you'd have on release day for much cheaper, or even better considering how busted and unoptimized most games are nowadays on release day, but since you've been conditioned to think you NEED this right now, that it's the only thing that'll make you happy and make you fit in, there's a high chance you'll cave in as get the 70$ edition, or even a 100$ one. There's a reason companies spend millions on ads and marketting, it works.
Don't get me wrong it's fine to want things, all I'm asking is for you to start using critical thinking before consuming. I understand that if everyone acted like me the whole industry would implode but we have to put our best interests ahead of companies desires.
And if you take anything away from what I wrote, please let it be "The things that you have do NOT define you, so stop tying your happiness and selfworth to them".
 
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I understand what you are saying and thinking before consuming it definitively a good point, though the answer being "yes I want it" is perfectly fine. Still, let me ask you this : what exactly is wrong with protesting and being upset at this price increase? Without taking responsibility for others' emotions?

I see a lot of people advocate for inaction and seem to get uncomfortable when people are talking of trying to push for change. I don't get it. I don't see any positive outcome coming out of increasing the feelings of helplessness against a system that is designed to screw us over.
 
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So that Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles Remaster that is not coming anytime soon on Steam is getting pretty trashed in reviews... guess we won't see it in a year.
But It's understandably why it sits at a measly 60% on Meta (, the game was always pretty terrible. From absent level design to obscenely simplistic combat that is so slow it's almost turn based when you cast spells multi player spells, with pretty much no hook for a dungeon crawler and barely any story (can't skip the endless vapid cut scenes though)...
Such a waste of artstyle and music.

The later games were better than this one, but when you start from zero, it doesn't mean much.
 
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I agree with all of the above put the point is that you're preaching to a crowd that already mostly share your point of view. In the mind of the vast majority of people, being able to purchase the "luxury" item they want is irremediably tied with the feeling of self-worth. As I said, the point is not if this change affects you or me in particular, it's how it might impact the general audience (as people) and for me it's pretty obvious: if you make an item less accessible (by whatever margin), it's definitely going to have an impact on a group of people that was (mostly) unaffected before and, in a society in which money and self-worth are as tied as they are in ours, the effects are far more severe than "having to wait a little longer to play a game". This is even more ridiculous for an industry that has been boasting of record-breaking profit every single year for more or less the past decade, as it makes clear that in no way they actually need that extra money to survive and it's just CEOs testing how much they can pull the rope until that rope snaps, but normal people are those who'll pay the consequences of that "testing".

The whole concept of "luxury" item is weird to me to begin with to be honest. Where do we draw the line on what should or should not fall under that definition? Is a yacht a luxury item? What about a 5 stars hotel? A nice dinner in a fancy restaurant? I think pretty much everyone would agree that those are luxuries, but what about a video game? A book? Buying a t-shirt you like instead of a blank one because your true "need" is simply covering yourself to protect you from the elements? Buying something you'd like to eat instead of the cheapest thing you can find on the shelf? We need to decide what should be considered a luxury and what, even if not essential to survive, should be considered as an important need for a human being living in our society today (that, as I said above, has the whole concept of working to buy shit that makes you feel a happier and more successful person well ingrained at its core). Is a book essential for the mental well-being and the development of a person? Why not a game?
 
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I'd go even further and add that in a world that is going through a pandemic, where social contacts and activities are limited gaming is more than just a luxury item. We are not machines after all, and need more than air, water, food and shelter to survive. A price increase on an item that is able to help us out to stay sane or relax in this hard times is terrible and should not be put together with real luxury items like jewellery, exotic perfumes and other things.

TVs and basic computers are not allowed to be sold over here when somebody goes bankrupt. They are not declared luxury items, for good reasons. And games aren't luxury as well. They are entertainment and little candles of joy in dark times and everybody has a right to that.

Taking those little candles away from people or making them more unreachable is shitty and deserves a basic level of sympathy and understanding. Something that is often missing in this discussion.
 
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Swenhir said:
I understand what you are saying and thinking before consuming it definitively a good point, though the answer being "yes I want it" is perfectly fine. Still, let me ask you this : what exactly is wrong with protesting and being upset at this price increase? Without taking responsibility for others' emotions?

I see a lot of people advocate for inaction and seem to get uncomfortable when people are talking of trying to push for change. I don't get it. I don't see any positive outcome coming out of increasing the feelings of helplessness against a system that is designed to screw us over.
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I'm not advocating for inaction, quite the opposite. As far as I'm concerned playing these companies' game and spending 70€ is the nonaction attitude. But I also don't believe just being vocal is the correct one. If we collectivelly bitch about these prices but they keep selling and their margins keep growing, what do think it's the message they'll take away from this?
What I'm advocating for is a "boycott", is not paying the day 1 tax, is to wait some months or years and then buy it when the price is right. That's the only way to send the message to whomever is selling the thing that it's not worth the asking price.
The "Yes I want it" is a valid answer, of course, but my point is that you'll just be sending an undesirable feedback towards the system, so, in a way, you're digging your own grave.

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I guess I had much more time to think about this subject because I haven't been able to buy 60€ games day 1 for 10+ years, so in a way this is nothing new for me.

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I'd go even further and add that in a world that is going through a pandemic, where social contacts and activities are limited gaming is more than just a luxury item. We are not machines after all, and need more than air, water, food and shelter to survive. A price increase on an item that is able to help us out to stay sane or relax in this hard times is terrible and should not be put together with real luxury items like jewellery, exotic perfumes and other things.

TVs and basic computers are not allowed to be sold over here when somebody goes bankrupt. They are not declared luxury items, for good reasons. And games aren't luxury as well. They are entertainment and little candles of joy in dark times and everybody has a right to that.

Taking those little candles away from people or making them more unreachable is shitty and deserves a basic level of sympathy and understanding. Something that is often missing in this discussion.
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I'm willing to bet you have enough games on your backlog to keep you sane for a couple of years :)
But in all seriousness it's not a black and white issue. Is a car a luxury item? I need one to get to work and to buy food and to live so I think it doesn't fall in that category but it can be if we're talking about convertibles or sports cars. Same with TVs, you can say it's a necessity and I agree but a 60'' one might be a luxury item. Same with computers. Same with clothes. And same with games.
 
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kio said:
I'm not advocating for inaction, quite the opposite. As far as I'm concerned playing these companies' game and spending 70€ is the nonaction attitude. But I also don't believe just being vocal is the correct one. If we collectivelly bitch about these prices but they keep selling and their margins keep growing, what do think it's the message they'll take away from this?
What I'm advocating for is a "boycott", is not paying the day 1 tax, is to wait some months or years and then buy it when the price is right. That's the only way to send the message to whomever is selling the thing that it's not worth the asking price.
The "Yes I want it" is a valid answer, of course, but my point is that you'll just be sending an undesirable feedback towards the system, so, in a way, you're digging your own grave.
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boom there we go. if you don't want to pay the day one tax...don't. it's not really a huge deal. you'll survive. you have other games you have barely touched or never played. just not buying it is a stronger protest than whining on twitter or whatever else the idea of a protest would be (no one answered my question about what the protest or solution would be btw).

the idea that getting a game on day one is some important need and desire that MUST BE FULFILLED is literally falling into the corporate trap.
 
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I'm totally with this alternative approach, but while you pick up the kalashnikovs I want to make an unrelated note that PH3 already operates basically like a co-op (as much as possible within the current economic framework, that is, we don't have employees, just co-owners).
 
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ISee said:
TVs and basic computers are not allowed to be sold over here when somebody goes bankrupt. They are not declared luxury items, for good reasons. And games aren't luxury as well. They are entertainment and little candles of joy in dark times and everybody has a right to that.

Taking those little candles away from people or making them more unreachable is shitty and deserves a basic level of sympathy and understanding. Something that is often missing in this discussion.
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Spot on. I couldn't agree more. While I understand the reason behind maladroitly calling games luxury items, they are very much not that. They aren't "I need this not to die now" items, but they are very precious and valuable to people's well-being, especially in these times.

kio said:
I'm not advocating for inaction, quite the opposite. As far as I'm concerned playing these companies' game and spending 70€ is the nonaction attitude. But I also don't believe just being vocal is the correct one. If we collectivelly bitch about these prices but they keep selling and their margins keep growing, what do think it's the message they'll take away from this?
What I'm advocating for is a "boycott", is not paying the day 1 tax, is to wait some months or years and then buy it when the price is right. That's the only way to send the message to whomever is selling the thing that it's not worth the asking price.
The "Yes I want it" is a valid answer, of course, but my point is that you'll just be sending an undesirable feedback towards the system, so, in a way, you're digging your own grave.
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Sorry, but that's really what it sounded like. I agree that not buying at that price is the strongest action we can take, the second being voicing those protests. I disagree with your reasoning there. Based on it, as long as there is a segment of a group that does something another part of it is protesting, does it invalidate those protests?

Regarding the "Yes I want it", I'm aware and on a personal level I'm not planning to buy any of those 60$+ games. That being said, I was making the point more generally, that that reply is valid and understandable for a product long-awaited for and that ticks all your checkboxes. It's not all FOMO :).

Basically, I agree that not buying is the most powerful course of action. But telling people that staying silent is more useful that protesting and deriding them for being vocal about their unhappiness with those increased prices is a bridge too far for me to accept.
 
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the book comparison is honestly the most on point even if not intended, probably. i don't buy books day one as a hardcover. they are hella expensive and not worth it to me. if i get a book i wait for the cheaper paperback and read other books i own until the cheaper release hits.
 
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the book comparison is honestly the most on point even if not intended, probably. i don't buy books day one as a hardcover. they are hella expensive and not worth it to me. if i get a book i wait for the cheaper paperback and read other books i own until the cheaper release hits.
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Well, that's you. That's fine, but forgive me, you do sound like you are deriding people for not wanting to act this way and thus try to invalidate their unhappiness with those prices on the basis that they shouldn't matter to them.

They still do, first because people have a right to buy day one if the game is worth it, then because those increased prices screw us over even when it's sales time. Do you really think they'll go as low as before? It impacts us anyway, no matter how patient.
 
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the book comparison is honestly the most on point even if not intended, probably. i don't buy books day one as a hardcover. they are hella expensive and not worth it to me. if i get a book i wait for the cheaper paperback and read other books i own until the cheaper release hits.
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Books don't require population that usually gets lower over time to be enjoyed though. That's a problem with a lot of MP games - by the time it goes on sale for an amount you're willing to pay, chances are barely anyone's playing it anymore.
 
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i am deriding people for thinking they have a right to buy a video game day one at the price they want and get that price forever, yes. buying day one is not something you need to do, that is a luxury that you should decide for yourself if you want.

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Books don't require population that usually gets lower over time to be enjoyed though. That's a problem with a lot of MP games - by the time it goes on sale for an amount you're willing to pay, chances are barely anyone's playing it anymore.
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this is fomo. bitching about fomo over $10 is not something i give even the smallest amount of sympathy for. sorry.

people are welcome to start their twitter campaigns or whatever over this and i'm not trying to stop them. i just also couldn't give less of shit. good luck and godspeed, i guess.
 
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