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Knurek said:
I tried watching interpolated anime once.
10 minutes was enough to not try this again, ever.
I disable that shit on TVs too.
Not sure what NVIDIA is smoking here.
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It means bigger numbers in framerate benchmark charts, especially in CPU limited games.
Maybe Nvidia can succeed in making it look fine, but until I see it I just don't trust it. And I guess it'll look worse the lower the chosen resolution is.

Other than this frame generation stuff, DLSS 3 is just DLSS 2 and supports the previous GPUs, only the frame generation is not supported.
 
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There no point in buying the new hottest video cards anyway. Nothing is utilizing all this power unless you are gaming at 4k and probably High Fre Rate on your PC. Which m certainly not.

My 1440p gsync monitor is gonna last me at least another generation or two. So I don't see any reason to upgrade especially if you already have a 30 series. If you're on a 10 series I could see a reason to upgrade now, as DLSS does really make a difference. But, heck, even a 20 series card might be good enough for 1080p still. I dunno. Maybe I'm not playing the right hand to feel the need for new cards.
 
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QFNS said:
There no point in buying the new hottest video cards anyway. Nothing is utilizing all this power unless you are gaming at 4k and probably High Fre Rate on your PC. Which m certainly not.

My 1440p gsync monitor is gonna last me at least another generation or two. So I don't see any reason to upgrade especially if you already have a 30 series. If you're on a 10 series I could see a reason to upgrade now, as DLSS does really make a difference. But, heck, even a 20 series card might be good enough for 1080p still. I dunno. Maybe I'm not playing the right hand to feel the need for new cards.
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Personally, DLDSR. Would be nice to use it on my 1440p monitor with high frame rate. My 3060ti is really good in native 1440p performance for the games I've played. But yeah, it's more want than need. tbh.
 
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If Best Buy still had EVGA RTX 3080ti in stock I would buy one but they are now sold out. Sad.


Amazon still has some but ehhh.

Asides from EVGA who else would you guys recommend? The Founder Cards?
 
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PC-tan said:
If Best Buy still had EVGA RTX 3080ti in stock I would buy one but they are now sold out. Sad.


Amazon still has some but ehhh.

Asides from EVGA who else would you guys recommend? The Founder Cards?
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The general consensus that I've read online is that people tend to recommend Asus -> MSI -> Gigabyte -> other brands. Asus being the best and "other brands" being worst but I would definitely read reviews on each individual card just to make sure that there aren't any outstanding issues.
 
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Far out, I was poised to (finally!) replace my dear old trusty GTX 660 before miners destroyed the market... and I just don't see an opening any time soon now, unless 30 series prices fall significantly. Even that I can't see happening - they're going to be the sweet spot (or the closest thing to it) until sold out, I suspect - demand might be high.

Might just buy a current gen console and be done with it. :(

This GPU market is insane.
 
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Far out, I was poised to (finally!) replace my dear old trusty GTX 660 before miners destroyed the market... and I just don't see an opening any time soon now, unless 30 series prices fall significantly. Even that I can't see happening - they're going to be the sweet spot (or the closest thing to it) until sold out, I suspect - demand might be high.

Might just buy a current gen console and be done with it. :(

This GPU market is insane.
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I had a GTX 660. It was my first ever GPU. I had it from 2014 and finally retired it in 2018.

I was gaming at 720p at the time.
 
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So, raid night last night and didn’t check any gaming news since before Nvidia went insane.

I am glad I didn’t hang fire to grab one of these when I did my recent upgrade. I think my 3070ti is going to keep me going for some time to come.

my gaming habits have changed as well. I spend a lot of time on FFXIV which isn’t exactly a powerhouse in the graphics department. Hell, even with the graphical overhauls they are working on, they won’t push too far as they won’t want to lose too many PC subs. Outside of that there is a bit of hobby stuff in there (I want to learn blender for 3d printing, among other reasons).

also I am favouring the deck a lot more, which means I tend to favour deck certified games a lot more. Plus I just think my tastes have changed. Helps that some of my games run a lot smoother on their with the pre-caching system.

that also leads on to my last issue. Will these new £1,500 graphics cards still suffer from the pre-caching stutter that plagues some modern games? If not I will stick with my deck as my non-mmo games machine.
 
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The lesson Nvidia learned in the last 2 years is that it wasn't just miners who were willing to pay 2x MSRP for GPUs. Regular folks (gamers or ML people) were paying those prices a well. Now, the reason those people were paying those ridiculous prices was because they were competing with the crypto fruitcakes and there was a huge supply shortage. So they weren't happy to pay those inflated prices, but, they were still willing (or forced) to. And Nvidia seems to be okay with that. They don't need you to be happy with the price as long as you're willing to pay it. People who need these GPUs for work will have to buy them. The rest of us are hosed. We can decide to skip the entire 4xxx generation but what comes next? Do you reckon the RTX 5080 is going to be $600 card? The RTX 6080? The best we can hope for is that in 2 years the RTX 4080 performance is delivered at the $600 price point (either the RTX 5070 or maybe RTX 5060) and that's going to feel bad as well.

Those who are hoping AMD is going to save the day need to look at recent history and recalibrate their expectations. Starting with the Radeon 7 GPU from a few years ago, AMD pricing has more or less matched Nvidia pricing whenever they are close in performance. Maybe slightly cheaper at the lower end. These RDNA3 cards probably won't be as good as the RTX 40 series. Maybe they match them in rasterization performance but they'll probably still be behind on ray tracing and whatever this fancy shader re-ordering business enables. So even if they match the rasterization performance of the $1200 4080, you're still not getting that AMD card for $600. Nor $800. Nor $1000. It's going to be more, unless AMD pull off the most aggressive market share play ever. Odds are they'll just go with being slightly better in the 'performance per dollar' metric and have better thermals, which will actually matter with the price of energy being what it is these days.

In my country the 16GB 4080 is listed for about $1660 USD. That's literally double the price the 3080 launched at. It actually matches the price the 3090 launched at. And these are just founder edition cards. Once the AIBs get in on it, I expect prices will reach $2000 if not more. That's just madness for a third world country. That's 6 months salary for a kid just out of college. We are so. properly. fucked.

Last note, I'm sort of amused that they're using the standard shrouded, single fan design for the 4090 FE that's rated at 450W. For a card that will likely have power spikes 'power excursions' (thank you Intel for that amazing euphemism) of up to 1000W. How is that cooling solution supposed to work for a card that's likely going to be super hot? We're seeing photos of how the card is 3-4 slots wide. Is that one massive heatsink or what?
 
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I wonder if the crazy Nvidia pricing (which will likely not be made much better by AMD) will actually help Intel. There are rumours their GPU business is dead or whatever, but I doubt they will simply write off something they are already close to shipping. Even if the cards are worse in benchmarks than current mid to high end Nvidia or AMD cards, it seems both have essentially given up on the lower end of the market. Intel could easily use this to grab a huge share of the market. While their cards will likely be bad on DX11 games or prior, I think they are not terrible on more modern games and things like XeSS will help them too if it gets widely adpoted.
 
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The Outbound Ghost on Deck was… not a good experience. I paid 10 for it on GMG and while small dev have my sympathy, I very much regretted my money.

Introduction not subbed
Random fps drops (shaders ?)
Impossibility to change the name of the character when being offered to
Several people are stuck when going from chapter 1 to 2

Now to his credit the lone (?) dev is reactive and already working on a patch. But it’s a little too much issues on release for me to feel okay with my purchase.

The game ? Eh, only 60 minutes in so my opinion may greatly changes. It’s at least for now subpar Paper Mario. The writing is very cold turkey, dialogs are sparse, combat timings are hard. But it could really coalesce into something great.

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Fuck me, I forgot the worst, each transition to combat screen is several seconds long, some user said 7 seconds. It’s, yeah, bad.
 
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It is funny that I saw many people on many other places say PC gaming is in a bad place because the new GPUs are expensive. Haha these new cards are not for the usual peeps; they are targeting the most hardcore (and the richest) 1% PC gamers. No one needs to spend that much money to play some fucking videogames.

Internet and consumption culture makes us reduce everything to the best and the worst. We either need the best graphics on a 8K machine or else we shouldn't game at all. It is crazy. You can have a 10xx card and still happily play games eveyday. Just manage the expectations and build a machine accordingly.
 
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I'll just wait for a decent mid-range card in the 4000 series. I'm currently using a 1660 super, which is great value for the €230 I payed for it. I'm a patient gamer so I don't need to play the latest AAA games when they are released. And over 90% of my gaming time is on the Steam Deck anyway.

Last but not least I can't even afford a €1000+ gpu as long as nearly half of my paycheck goes to gas and electricity. Thanks, Russia! 😡
 
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Offtopic but what is the best -and cheap- hosting with WordPress integration (quality/price). Any recommendation?.
Which ones are meta members using for their blogs/sites?
 
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curi0usBystander said:
It's always the same song and dance, people on the internet complaining that they can't get the top of the line ... but you don't need that. The problem is that raising the price of the top will also raise the price of the rest.
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That's likely Nvidias goal. Keep the prices of the old 3000 cards high, by making them seem like better value compared to the ultra expensive new 4000 cards. Totally expect Nvidia to "graciously" lower pricing of the cheaper 4800 card (as it was clearly always meant to be a 4700) in a year or two once the surplus of old GPUs has gone down. I could also see them reduce prices earlier if they get a huge amount of competition from AMD or Intel on the mid to high end, but not expecting that at all.
 
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ASUS TUF GAMING NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 V2 OC - 865
MSI RTX 3080 Ventus 3X Plus 12G OC LHR V389-400R Noir - 980
RTX 4080 (12GB) - 1.099

Just checking my options. Any input ? Going from a 2060 Super on a 1440p monitor.
And no, I'm very much not decided to shell out between 1 to 1.5 rents for a GPU.
 
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It is funny that I saw many people on many other places say PC gaming is in a bad place because the new GPUs are expensive. Haha these new cards are not for the usual peeps; they are targeting the most hardcore (and the richest) 1% PC gamers. No one needs to spend that much money to play some fucking videogames.

Internet and consumption culture makes us reduce everything to the best and the worst. We either need the best graphics on a 8K machine or else we shouldn't game at all. It is crazy. You can have a 10xx card and still happily play games eveyday. Just manage the expectations and build a machine accordingly.
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The overpriced high end cards also affect the budget and mid range though.
The RTX 3050 costs more than the 1660 Super used to cost, and both the performance and TDP are similar.
The only things the 3050 has going for it over the 1660 Super is additional 2GB of VRAM, raytracing support (which it probably can't handle anyway) and DLSS support which doesn't look all that good at the resolutions this card is used for.

Also, the 4080 12GB is pretty much a 4070 in disguise and it has less memory bandwidth than the 3070 Ti. If this card already costs $900/1100€ and they're already cutting so many corners with it to the point they use misleading marketing branding, I just can't see the budget and mid range cards being any good this generation from the NVidia side.
 
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The overpriced high end cards also affect the budget and mid range though.
The RTX 3050 costs more than the 1660 Super used to cost, and both the performance and TDP are similar.
The only things the 3050 has going for it over the 1660 Super is additional 2GB of VRAM, raytracing support (which it probably can't handle anyway) and DLSS support which doesn't look all that good at the resolutions this card is used for.

Also, the 4080 12GB is pretty much a 4070 in disguise and it has less memory bandwidth than the 3070 Ti. If this card already costs $900/1100€ and they're already cutting so many corners with it to the point they use misleading marketing branding, I just can't see the budget and mid range cards being any good this generation from the NVidia side.
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I think we are talking two different things. What I wanted to say is, to an average Joe who is new to PC gaming, they should just buy a card according to expectations and budget and go nuts with all these games on Steam. Even hardcore gamers like us don't consider everything when buying a new GPU.
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It's platform wars. In my opinion PC gaming is at the best place it has ever been.
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Yeah this. Just look at those announcements from TGS. 💸💸 Imo, games always matter more than the hardware itself.
 
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Cacher said:
I think we are talking two different things. What I wanted to say is, to an average Joe who is new to PC gaming, they should just buy a card according to expectations and budget and go nuts with all these games on Steam. Even hardcore gamers like us don't consider everything when buying a new GPU.
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People can only buy a card according to expectations and a budget if there's sensible options for that budget to begin with. The most popular cards based on steam hardware stats are usually in the sub-$300 market after all, but the NVidia options are very lacking currently for this market when compared to 6 years ago (GTX 10 series).

At $250, there's the following options atm:
  • RTX 3050, only 30-ish% faster than the 1060.
  • RTX 2060 KO, 75-ish% faster than the 1060, but since it's a previous gen card it's likely to become unavailable sooner or later.
  • Radeon RX 6600, 100-ish% faster.

At the below $200 market, atm there's:
  • GTX 1650, 30-ish% faster than the 1050 Ti.
  • RX 6500 XT, 65-ish% faster than the 1050 Ti (it's around 1060 tier), but the gap between 6500 XT and 6600 is huge.

I'm not going to say that PC gaming is in an awful state or anything like, the games side of PC gaming is amazing right now even, but in the GPU side, the NVidia options atm for the most popular graphics card price ranges are severely lacking, and the high end cut corners and absurd prices don't give good hopes for the future of budget/mid range RTX 40 series cards.

Hopefully AMD will still remain a sensible option though.
 
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fantomena said:
Not sure if I will continue Axiom Verge 2. The first game was great, but also one of the first new metroidvania games in these "metroidvania indie" era, compared to a ton of others, it kinda feels very outdated. like a very basic metroidvania game and I know that a lot of fans didn't like the sequel.
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I just finished it yesterday, liked it immensly.
 
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AHA-Lambda said:
All that power… and it can’t run anything
It’s genuinely infuriating. I’d love to see something like Proton for Mac
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Le Pertti said:
Yeah Proton for Mac would be amazing! Sure there is wine, which proton is also based on, for Mac but to have official Valve proton support on Mac would be the dream.
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on top of that, Apple switching from x86 to arm isnt really gonna help MacOS as a gaming platform.


dex3108 said:
I am seriously thinking about getting this game
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Yeah, Evil West is a Flying Wild Hog game, I always have them on my radar ever since Hard Reset (2011) and Shadow Warrior 2013. I didnt quite like SW2 and my interest in SW3 was diminished after I learned its a Doom Eternal-esque game. Evil West looks promising tho! Im hoping its not also like DE :)


Aaron D. said:
Filthy enablers, the lot of you!

(HF2 will be mine.)
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lashman and urging people to buy games, name a more iconic duo :P
 
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