This is the first time I heard about the game. Papa Tim isn't picky anymore?
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I'd say that game looks like trash, but I've played trashier looking games that ended up being amazing. Though it does seem Sweeny is lowering his standards. Something like this would never have gotten onto the store just 2 months ago.
also looks like they took moneyhats from everywhere ... apple arcade exclusive as well
You all don't understand taking money from everywhere, just to make the game part of every game bundle in existence after 6 months allows the Devs to finally breath.
They don't even need costumers anymore.
They don't even need costumers anymore.
When will Amazon start to moneyhat devs?
We have got Google (Stadia), Facebook (I guess some VR games are exclusive), Apple (Arcade), Microsoft (only first-party games?).
We have got Google (Stadia), Facebook (I guess some VR games are exclusive), Apple (Arcade), Microsoft (only first-party games?).
Taking an Apple Arcade exclusive deal wasn’t enough for them I guess.
Also I played like 30 minutes of this game before uninstalling you arent missing much lol
It was already DOA on steam, their new publisher clearly approached Epic with a deal too good to refuse.
Simple strategy lie, obfuscate, fake scarcity and watch struggling devs and pubs undercut each other to get a spot. No wonder the deals are gettting worse.
Simple strategy lie, obfuscate, fake scarcity and watch struggling devs and pubs undercut each other to get a spot. No wonder the deals are gettting worse.
I can't stop laughing. EGS also had a library update. It's now apparently a list.
Free games for next week:
Oh boy another 2 games I already own from bundles. Epic is making this really easy for me to avoid.
My breakfast (a sandwich and a pack of cookies) cost me more money than I paid for Metro redux (both games)Free games for next week:
Phoenix RISING
A phoenix always RISES!
Everything for free? Epic was clearly shaken by Steam Everything sale.Free games for next week:
Someone should do a comparison to see if denuvo fucks with the performance of the game.
It’s so funny to me that even to promote WB Montreal’s next game, they don’t want to scare people away by reminding them of Arkham Origins.
I find it hard to believe there's a lot of actual real interest in the batman games from PC gamers (the non lego ones I mean). These games have all been $5 or less on numerous sites for years now. If you wanted them that bad you likely got them all by now. This just feels like a case where people can pat Epic on the back for offering "so much value" when really you're being fed years old scraps that, while they're good games, have 0 monetary value anymore.
Same can be said for metro 2033. That game can be had for pennies by now. I mean free is free but lets not make this a bigger deal than it is. It's equivalent to a sports team giving out a free bobblehead to the first 10k people.
Same can be said for metro 2033. That game can be had for pennies by now. I mean free is free but lets not make this a bigger deal than it is. It's equivalent to a sports team giving out a free bobblehead to the first 10k people.
Between Arkham Origins, Bioshock 2, and the Devil May Cry reboot, I have a trend of insisting that the games the fanbase hates are as bad as they say they are. They made an Arkham City clone where one of the gadgets is still bugged to break combo to this day and they got rid of every Riddler challenge except the trophies.But Arkham Origins was good
I'll do it this weekend. Need to carry my USB stick to my brother first.
The funny ish thing apparently is you can just download the executable from EGS and swap it with the one on steam and tada you dont have denuvo anymore for steam
I have a data cap so I can't really try
I have a data cap so I can't really try
Shenmue 3 email out detailing the survey refund info; those surveys should be out later today
Most interesting tidbit though is:
Most interesting tidbit though is:
What is there to negotiate?
Once they start selling on Steam, they will be able to generate those keys.
Unless Timmy is in the process of convincing them to become a perma-egsclusive, the only point of that section seems to be to try and cast the blame onto Valve.
What negotiations? Pay your $100 and you're in. Deep Silver probably trying to shake down Valve for cash up front.
As fas as I understand the situation:
Valve isn't willing to give them Steam keys one year in advance. No Steam release --> no steam keys.
DS is trying to "negotiate" around it and to build public pressure on valve. But in all honesty, and I'm sorry for backers, valve would be stupid to go for the deal.
Nah, that section is explicitly about them supposedly negotiating with Valve to be able to provide keys 1 year later (so after the exclusivity is over).
Which is very suspect, to put it mildly.
done and done
and a sincere "get fuuuuuuucked" to everyone involved (ysnet, deep shit, and tim)
Is DS this incompetent or Valve is finally awake for the brawl?
Shenmue 3 situation should make Epic, YS and Deep Shit Silver feel extremely embarrassed as their supporters should too.
I am sorry for all the people that feel betrayed by them but I have no sympathy for anyone that still trusts them.
I am sorry for all the people that feel betrayed by them but I have no sympathy for anyone that still trusts them.
Batman AK DRM vs DRM free
3900x/2080Ti/Crucial MX 500/32GB DDR4 3600c14
CPU locked to 4250MHz, to ensure consistency between tests (Ryzen 3000 fluctuates a lot). Still not reaching GPU limit though, so probably not needed.
Settings
Maxed out at 1440p with nvidia stuff
-I did 10 runs each, as there is actually a lot of variance in minimums here
-There was an outlier in Steam run 6 (minimum), I chose to no include it (just the minimum). I was to lazy to waste even more time tbh...
-Epic Version was run without the EGS client in the background. (Just click on the BatmanAK.exe, no further sorcery needed)
8% Difference is not insignificant if you ask me.
3900x/2080Ti/Crucial MX 500/32GB DDR4 3600c14
CPU locked to 4250MHz, to ensure consistency between tests (Ryzen 3000 fluctuates a lot). Still not reaching GPU limit though, so probably not needed.
Settings
Maxed out at 1440p with nvidia stuff
-I did 10 runs each, as there is actually a lot of variance in minimums here
-There was an outlier in Steam run 6 (minimum), I chose to no include it (just the minimum). I was to lazy to waste even more time tbh...
-Epic Version was run without the EGS client in the background. (Just click on the BatmanAK.exe, no further sorcery needed)
| Minimum FPS | Maximum FPS | Average FPS | |
| Epic 1 | 65 | 172 | 122 |
| Epic 2 | 61 | 174 | 121 |
| Epic 3 | 60 | 174 | 121 |
| Epic 4 | 66 | 171 | 122 |
| Epic 5 | 64 | 174 | 123 |
| Epic 6 | 66 | 174 | 123 |
| Epic 7 | 61 | 139 | 116 |
| Epic 8 | 62 | 176 | 122 |
| Epic 9 | 62 | 174 | 121 |
| Epic 10 | 61 | 176 | 122 |
| Average | 62,80 | 170,40 | 121,30 |
| Steam 1 | 57 | 163 | 115 |
| Steam 2 | 57 | 161 | 113 |
| Steam 3 | 54 | 162 | 113 |
| Steam 4 | 65 | 161 | 114 |
| Steam 5 | 59 | 164 | 114 |
| Steam 6 | 39 | 162 | 114 |
| Steam 7 | 57 | 163 | 114 |
| Steam 8 | 61 | 163 | 114 |
| Steam 9 | 63 | 163 | 115 |
| Steam 10 | 54 | 162 | 113 |
| Average | 58,56 | 162,40 | 113,90 |
| Difference [%] | 9,30 | 7,14 | 7,99 |
8% Difference is not insignificant if you ask me.
I wanted to give YsNet the benefit of the doubt, that this was their publisher being an arse. Wouldn't be the first time Deep Silver have been utter shits, and once you've signed on the dotted line to have them publish your game there's not much you can do.
But this nonsense about "negotiating with Valve" strikes me as them wanting us to not be their problem after November 2019. As in, they'd prefer us to take the Epic key or take the refund, and this is just a smokescreen to scare people away from taking the Steam key.
So angry at them right now. I'm thinking I might even sell my unopened PS4 copy once it arrives. Shenmue is pretty much dead to me now.
Braking News? Or am I the only one who missed it?
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The Tribunal de Grande Instance (Paris) decided that EU citizens have the right to sell their digital Steam games if they wish to do so. Valves current user agreement is violating EU law in that regard.
Valve already objected the ruling.
If the ruling gets confirmed the online distribution market would change dramatically, not just for Valve but also for Sony, Microsoft, epic, Ubi, apple, Amazon etc.
Sorry, only got a German source
www.heise.de
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The Tribunal de Grande Instance (Paris) decided that EU citizens have the right to sell their digital Steam games if they wish to do so. Valves current user agreement is violating EU law in that regard.
Valve already objected the ruling.
If the ruling gets confirmed the online distribution market would change dramatically, not just for Valve but also for Sony, Microsoft, epic, Ubi, apple, Amazon etc.
Sorry, only got a German source
Französisches Gericht: Steam muss Weiterverkauf von Spielen zulassen
Valve muss es EU-Kunden erlauben, auf Steam erworbene Spiele weiterzuverkaufen. Das hat ein französisches Gericht entschieden. Valve will das Urteil anfechten.
www.heise.de
The impact of this is incalcuable from my perspective. The industry is obviously going to resist this with every fiber of their being, and will find a way to skirt it somehow.
What'll happen is we'll probably be granted 100 year licenses to play the games or some nonsense like that and from the perspective of one person's lifetime, nothing really changes.
It'd be nice if we were able to sell our digital games going forward, if only so I could undercut all the shitty AAA publishers by selling their £50 digital games for a quid, but I just can't see them letting this go even if Valve's appeal fails.
What'll happen is we'll probably be granted 100 year licenses to play the games or some nonsense like that and from the perspective of one person's lifetime, nothing really changes.
It'd be nice if we were able to sell our digital games going forward, if only so I could undercut all the shitty AAA publishers by selling their £50 digital games for a quid, but I just can't see them letting this go even if Valve's appeal fails.
Aren't they already selling us the right to use software and not the software itself though? France seems to think we should have the right to sell those rights? Putting a time limit on those use rights shouldn't change anything?
I'm not a lawyer, this really goes over my expertise. By a lot!
I'm not saying they won't fight or circumvent it. They will.
Also keep in mind. The ruling isn't final currently because valve objected. No idea how further proceedings look like or what is going to happen next.
I'd love a lawyer's perspective on this.
Maybe Alexandros ?
I'm not a lawyer, this really goes over my expertise. By a lot!
I'm not saying they won't fight or circumvent it. They will.
Also keep in mind. The ruling isn't final currently because valve objected. No idea how further proceedings look like or what is going to happen next.
I'd love a lawyer's perspective on this.
Maybe Alexandros ?
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The games industry took advantage of the law's inability to keep up with technological developments and implemented measures to stop the resale of digital content based on the argument that game companies aren't actually selling you a product (that you can do with as you wish after you buy it) but a license that grants you the right to use that piece of content for an indefinite amount of time. This is why games in Steam's user agreement are mentionred as "subscriptions". The court ruled that this sort of transaction is not a subscription or the use of a license but a purchase of a product, therefore the seller has no rights over it once the transaction has been completed. Thus the terms in Steam's subscriber agreement that prohibit the resale of games are void.
This is a win but we have a long way to go until it actually matters to us. Valve will appeal the ruling and even if they lose again, the only way game companies will be forced to provide a means of reselling digital content will be if legislation is drafted at the EU level. I believe that it will happen eventually because it simply makes sense. There was a similar ruling by the European Court of Justice in 2012:
Top EU court upholds right to resell downloaded software
First-sale rights stronger in the EU than in the US.
arstechnica.com
But it has to become law to be fully enforceable and that hasn't happened yet.
Just requested refund for Shenmue 3. Kinda wanted to post this link to the video (below) iin the message box, but just wrote that they should have kept the Steam promise and not taken Epic's money.
Control exclusivity was probably 9.5 million €
We had a pretty lengthy discussion on this yesterday in the Steam thread.
That’s the argument Valve and others will make. According to the ruling, as far as I understood it, the contention is with the idea of a “subscription” to software that lasts forever. A “subscription” according to them that lasts forever isn’t a subscription, it’s a purchase and you should be able to resell it.
Personally, I still disagree with that. I think there’s a reasonable argument that a game purchase is a kind of contract (not a subscription really ) to access software for an unlimited amount of time. I don’t know what European law says, but it seems reasonable to me to suggest you could sign an indefinite, nontransferable contract granting you access to something.
The key issue that supporters of digital resale keep skirting around is that it’s dealing with a frictionless, non-degrading product. It’s inherent inequivalent to physical products to begin with.
My guess is still that if this becomes an enforced law, game distribution will move towards genuine GamePass subscription style consumption, or limited time access licenses to game (rentals essentially).
Assuming a 70/30 split and the sales being full price, that would be the equivalent of 230K sold copies on steam.
However, at 10 million they would get a 75/25 revenue split, realistically putting the number at around 200K worth of steam copies.
This is an insane and stupid amount of money.
So the equivalent of ~180k EGS copies.
Sigh
Sigh
Pretty cheap. I imagine it didn't help much considering the game didn't even chart anywhere.
It is a sales advance though right? So assuming it breaks 200K sales (which I doubt but we dont know much about EGS sales), it costs Epic nothing for the exclusivity I assume? Borderlands 3 would be a great one to have all the stats on.
Also assuming EGS eventually breaks even on it, or definitely with BL3, what was the point from the publisher? They would have made their money or more if they didnt go exclusive. Like I would understand it if epic paid an actual lump sum payment as well.
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They get the money in advance.
They also get 88% of the sale revenue: to get the same amount from sales, this would have required 226k sales on Steam, instead of 180k on Epic store.