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A 5 out of 10 is average yall. 6 out of 10 is just above average.

"Ehshen" is appropriate in that regard. Barely, worth, or arguably, not worth your time.

"Unplayable" is like, 4 and below. That's when you get into the territory of a game not being fun simply because it's boring, but because it actively works against you to be fun.


Hmmmm, one of my editors gave Ashen an 8. shrug

www.geeksundergrace.com/gaming/review-ashen-xbox-one/
 
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Phoenix RISING said:
A 5 out of 10 is average yall. 6 out of 10 is just above average.

"Ehshen" is appropriate in that regard. Barely, worth, or arguably, not worth your time.

"Unplayable" is like, 4 and below. That's when you get into the territory of a game not being fun simply because it's boring, but because it actively works against you to be fun.


Hmmmm, one of my editors gave Ashen an 8. shrug

www.geeksundergrace.com/gaming/review-ashen-xbox-one/
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Because it's definitely more of an 8 than 6, he knows his stuff.

Also at least in my country, 4 is failing grade and 7 average.
 
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Kuro said:
Because it's definitely more of an 8 than 6, he knows his stuff.

Also at least in my country, 4 is failing grade and 7 average.
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Honestly it depends on the industry. 6/10 in Movies is good but its awful in the gaming industry.
 
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Ryna said:
Honestly it depends on the industry. 6/10 in Movies is good but its awful in the gaming industry.
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Yeah, that's how I see it. 6 to me means, as I said, irredeemable shit when talking about video games.
 
Kuro said:
Because it's definitely more of an 8 than 6, he knows his stuff.

Also at least in my country, 4 is failing grade and 7 average.
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Yeah, Michael is really good. I'm blessed to have him. Just showed up in my email one day already wildly talented. Hardly needed development at all.

He came from a site smaller than ours that just ceased "operations" one day for lack of better word. The timing was wonderful because I had just lost another one-of-a-kind writer.

Everyone thinks they can write well...until they actually try doing it. I know talent when I see it.



As far as the game industry "scale," gamers tend to be hyperbolic. That's one of the first things I have to beak writers of: "Everything is Awesome, And If It's Not Awesome, It Sucks" syndrome.

The second bad habit is unwillingness to try different things, including games they think they might not like. So they either discover that they actually do like this or that genre, or, now that they've played something they really don't like, they have a better idea of what a spectrum of quality looks like.


Anyway, that's another thing altogether.
 
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@lashman do you know if Industries of Titan will be exclusive-exclusive or merely timed?
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pretty sure everything is timed (even TWD)

but Industries specifically - 100% Timed ... they even have a store page already (which they haven't removed after the announcement)

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Hades will be released later on Steam, but will it be $7 tho?
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it will be ... eventually
 
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Rosenkrantz said:
Are they going to publish it on Steam? I thought it was one of these deals where Epic did all of the legwork to make the port to PC happen.
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Sorry about the late reply but I think Quantic Dreams games are timed exclusive, but as always with these deals is hard to tell for certain.

lashman said:
it will be ... eventually
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Hey...some of us are kind of old and can't wait forever ok? :P So I will probably have to pay more than $7 for it (well.. $4 more since the regular price is $11 over here).
 
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The funny thing is even with this sale the prices are still pretty wank in the UK. Control for example is £37.99, with the 10% discount 😂
 
Digoman said:
Sorry bout the late reply but I think Quantic Dreams games are timed exclusive, but as always with theses deals is hard to tell for certain.


Hey...some of us are kind of old and can't wait forever ok? :p So I will probably have to pay more than $7 for it (well.. $4 more since the regular price is $11 over here).
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Quantic Dream’s games are timed. It doesn’t mean they’ll come to other platforms but after the year is up nothing is stopping them from doing so.
 
Phoenix RISING said:
Yeah, Michael is really good. I'm blessed to have him. Just showed up in my email one day already wildly talented. Hardly needed development at all.

He came from a site smaller than ours that just ceased "operations" one day for lack of better word. The timing was wonderful because I had just lost another one-of-a-kind writer.

Everyone thinks they can write well...until they actually try doing it. I know talent when I see it.



As far as the game industry "scale," gamers tend to be hyperbolic. That's one of the first things I have to beak writers of: "Everything is Awesome, And If It's Not Awesome, It Sucks" syndrome.

The second bad habit is unwillingness to try different things, including games they think they might not like. So they either discover that they actually do like this or that genre, or, now that they've played something they really don't like, they have a better idea of what a spectrum of quality looks like.


Anyway, that's another thing altogether.
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Just finished reading the review and it's definitely good, fun read.

I agree about the industry scale, it's skewed but it is what it is. I'm sure most reviewers at this point are aware that anything below 7 will mean most people skipping the game.
 
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It'll be interesting to see when the first moneyhats enter steam. Will they just dump them at full price? Big goodwill launch discount? Wouldn't be surprised if Epic has some conditions for after the year is up. No price differentials etc... Maybe launch as a 2.0/extended/reboot edition? Hadas is probably doing it the least worst way, EA on Epic and full launch on steam, possibly.
 
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bobnowhere said:
It'll be interesting to see when the first moneyhats enter steam. Will they just dump them at full price? Big goodwill launch discount? Wouldn't be surprised if Epic has some conditions for after the year is up. No price differentials etc... Maybe launch as a 2.0/extended/reboot edition? Hadas is probably doing it the least worst way, EA on Epic and full launch on steam, possibly.
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Well, Metro Exodus has curiously scheduled an expansion pack for early 2020, so I'm guessing they will be launching as a full price "complete edition" (adding the 2 expansions for "free").

We'll probably be seeing a few games pulling this, if they have DLCs or expansions planned.
 
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Kuro said:
Just finished reading the review and it's definitely good, fun read.

I agree about the industry scale, it's skewed but it is what it is. I'm sure most reviewers at this point are aware that anything below 7 will mean most people skipping the game.
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Yeah, I have found that we "average" close to a seven.

I don't think of that as boosting or being too high. I agree in principle that most games are "good." That is, the games that we would be willing to review as we don't target shovelware or "asset flips." That market called mobile? FORGETABOUTIT!

When my staff wants to start handing out 9's and 10's is when they really start raising eyebrows. Ok, two things: 1. is the game actually that good 2. is your writing skill capable of convincing your reader (me) that the game is that good?

I wanted to give Katana ZERO a 9, but that to be continuedending! So 8.5 it is.

bobnowhere said:
It'll be interesting to see when the first moneyhats enter steam. Will they just dump them at full price? Big goodwill launch discount? Wouldn't be surprised if Epic has some conditions for after the year is up. No price differentials etc... Maybe launch as a 2.0/extended/reboot edition? Hadas is probably doing it the least worst way, EA on Epic and full launch on steam, possibly.
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I'll push a bit more. Remember how the Wii U was getting like, Mass Effect 3 when PS3/60 was getting the Mass Effect Trilogy Collection?

I wonder about that. Like, will Steam be launching with vanilla versions of these games or "GOTY" editions? Will the staggered launch incentivise publishers/developers to release additional content ON PURPOSE to make full price more marketable?

Maybe we're saying the same thing, lol.


But that's why EGS selling like, Metro and Hades at below $10 is catching my attention, because it's not going to get better than that, and if it does, how much longer after a year will that take? I'm asking for the cream de la creme games. Not a game like Ashen, where I can wait.
 
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BernardoOne said:
I already get most EGS exclusives for free and I've barely bothered to put more than 2 hours on Ashen. The client is that terrible. There is no game at any price that can convince me to actually buy any game in there . I have a huge backlog anyways, it isn't hard to wait a year.
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You get EGS stuff for free?
 
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But I thought Epic was 2x money-hatting? Why would Paradox pull out if it's on Epic's dime?


:thinking-face:
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Probably a couple of reasons, firstly they don't want to be seen to be favouring Epic as they have a pretty good thing going with steam and their endless GAAS-like grand strategies. Secondly, while the USD$10 off is about 16% in, not to put too fine a point, the first world, in other places it's well over 50%. Would you like to explain to investors and fans why you're suddenly selling your next hot thing at 50% off a year out from release? Yes, Epic is covering it, but it still doesn't look good.
 
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Big_Al said:
The funny thing is even with this sale the prices are still pretty wank in the UK. Control for example is £37.99, with the 10% discount 😂
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Yep! I'm tempted by a few titles (don't worry I ain't biting 😛) but some of them are still on sale waaaaay too rich for my blood.
 
bobnowhere said:
Probably a couple of reasons, firstly they don't want to be seen to be favouring Epic as they have a pretty good thing going with steam and their endless GAAS-like grand strategies. Secondly, while the USD$10 off is about 16% in, not to put too fine a point, the first world, in other places it's well over 50%. Would you like to explain to investors and fans why you're suddenly selling your next hot thing at 50% off a year out from release? Yes, Epic is covering it, but it still doesn't look good.
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Man too many economics. I get the essence of what you're saying though.
 
The Paradox thing is kind of interesting because it shows that Epic didn't communicate very well how the sale would be to the publishers. See also some having to adjust the discount to be able to get the $10 off.

Also, I'm still not finding Bloodlines 2 at all on the store (at least no my region), so maybe they didn't have a way to exclude the game just from the sale.
 
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Epic couldn't keep me there with free games and free money, no way deals will get me back. I just feel so done with them, the only thing I will give them is me shitting on them. I'm not kidding when I say this, but no other company has made me dislike them this much. Of course I realise there way worse companies out there but this just hits so close to home.
 
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Digoman said:
The Paradox thing is kind of interesting because it shows that Epic didn't communicate very well how the sale would be to the publishers. See also some having to adjust the discount to be able to get the $10 off.

Also, I'm still not finding Bloodlines 2 at all on the store (at least no my region), so maybe they didn't have a way to exclude the game just from the sale.
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Oxygen Not Included also seems to be gone from the store (at least in the US)
 
It's a good sale, although it would be even better if they didn't neuter the already limited choice.
As a penny-pinching pauper I can sympathize with those who are tempted. I might even cave myself since John Wick Hex and Observation are so stupidly cheap, what would normally cost a combined €36.98 is a mere €14.08, a savings of about 62% for games that are not even out yet.
The way they're doing it is good too, consumers get a cheaper price, developers(publishers) still get the full amount, and Epic loses money. Also while I agree with the argument of them using it as PR fodder (although how effective that would be is unknown) I can't agree with the devaluation argument, since imho games are constantly devalued by time and by the release of other games in general, especially on PC where one can buy/play excellent games from 30 years ago and beyond.

It reminds me of Steam's best sale (opinion) in the past 5 years actually, which was this year's Lunar Sale. Developers obviously don't want to offer games too cheap, so Valve giving $5 out of their own cut resulted in consumers getting a better deal while devs didn't lose out. It also resulted in me grabbing smaller niche games I wouldn't have otherwise purchased unless they were cheaper (if ever): Spider: Rite of the Shrouded Moon, UmiharaKawase Shun, ZeroRanger, PUSS!, Brigand: Oaxaca, and Creepy Castle. As an aside, all of these are HIGHLY recommended. Except maybe Oaxaca, which while being incredibly interesting as a one-man Deus Ex project is also incredibly janky. So caution with that one.

All that said, however, it's also completely understandable if you don't want to support Epic's exclusive moneyhat bullshit by being a statistic they can use to their advantage when it comes to courting other developers/publishers.
 
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It looks like Supergiant just updated the price for Hades. It was $8.99 last night, and it's $12.49 this morning. I feel like some of the publishers were surprised by this sale and just took notice. I bet more price adjustments will come later. Pre-orders under $10 is just plain crazy.
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Now it's $14.99 (US) after the discount...
 
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It looks like Supergiant just updated the price for Hades. It was $8.99 last night, and it's $12.49 this morning. I feel like some of the publishers were surprised by this sale and just took notice. I bet more price adjustments will come later. Pre-orders under $10 is just plain crazy.
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And previously it was priced $9.99 in our region. Quite funny they raise the price for the sale. Seems like a mistake, or not, Who knows?

They have so few games but still mess up by apparently not telling their publishers partners for their first sale on there.
 
Any articles about all this hilarious shit or is it all swept under the rug as usual? Epic's mega sale crashes and burns should have been headlining everywhere. Much worse should be headlining if they were gonna be as sensational and aggressive as they have been towards Steam or other topics.
 
「Echo」 said:
Using a VPN to buy a game cheaper seems to directly contradict the notion of "a bigger cut for the devs is good" that so many parrot on Era.

Not knockin' on anyone doing that, but at the same time, don't let me catch you being a hypocrite about it. :rolleyes:
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My thoughts exactly.
 
didamangi said:
Hades price was raised because of the new content update according to the developers. But they've released the update before the sale and the price wasn't raised then. Raising it mid sale looks pretty bad and sketchy.
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In addition to this, they are no longer actually discounting their game at all. It's full price and the only discount is Epic's own 10$. Before Hades had a 10% discount by the devs in addition.

Some sketchy ass stuff here. They removed their own discount entirely and are getting Epic to cover for the whole thing.
 
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Hades price was raised because of the new content update according to the developers. But they've released the update before the sale and the price wasn't raised then. Raising it mid sale looks pretty bad and sketchy.
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Plus they literally said hours ago they weren't sure if they were going to raise the price and they would tell us beforehand if they decided to do so...


That is next level bullshittery. Only way they could top it is simply charge everyone who already bought the game some extra money. Maybe then make it a recurring fee you can't cancel and make the game a virus.
 
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I'm late to the party but it's quite clear that the first pro-consumer move Epic makes was half-assed and rushed without making sure all regional pricing made sense and that all the publishers/developers were on board. This is with EGS having less than 100 games. It's gonna be 10x worse once the floodgates open up.

Also lol @ Supergiant Games raising their prices during the sale. That's real suspect and quite frankly they make decent indie developers look real bad with this shit.
 
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  • Ubisoft games non-purchasable for an entire week and still out of the sale.
  • One of the most confusing sales ever because of regional prices but not regional currencies in several places and a flat $10 discount.
  • Developers obviously not aware of the sale specifics and at first adjusting prices to use the $10 off deal (including Supergiant)
  • Two games nuked from the store because apparently you can simply "opt out" of the sale.
  • Supergiant adjusting up their prices up in the middle of the sale a few hours after saying they would not do that without announcing first.
  • People already abusing VPNs for regional prices even more easily that on Steam (at least not having gifts is helping here...)

Nothing stops the EGS drama!

Seriously, we already know Epic isn't the best at actually planning anything, but sometimes I'm still impressed on how amateurish they can be. And with what, less then 100 games on the store? Their backend appears to completely incapable of dealing with any task that isn't really simple.
 
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