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Phoenix RISING

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Yeah good fucking luck with Samurai Shodown SNK any anyone who buys it.

Enjoy the dead servers lol
Yeah this game is deader than dead now.

I really came here to to say that I'm pleased to see this thread fall to the second page. Good stuff. Just goes to show that the impact EGS has made is minimal.
 

Shahem

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Not really, Ueda ditched Sony so that's on Sony's court.
There were rumors that it would be coming to PC at some point, I could see Epic making a proposition to Sony.
Our own Lashman and the Resetera Xbox podcast both mentioned The Last Guardian as one of Sony's games that they have heard was at least being considered for PC.

Time will tell.
 

Stone Ocean

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There were rumors that it would be coming to PC at some point, I could see Epic making a proposition to Sony.
Our own Lashman and the Resetera Xbox podcast both mentioned The Last Guardian as one of Sony's games that they have heard was at least being considered for PC.

Time will tell.
Oh, sure, specially with the whole Horizon thing. I just don't see this deal as being related to that or an indication of anything.
 

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Alexandros

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Ι don't have a problem with Epic actually funding games instead of moneyhatting them. I still won't buy from them until they demonstrate a multi-year commitment to customer-first policies, but if they stop their moneyhatting crap I might register an account and claim them when they offer them for free.

That seems to be the interpretation of whoever wrote the article.

There is nothing explicitly said about releasing on Steam.
Well, even if they do plan on releasing them on Steam at some point they wouldn't confirm such a thing in their announcement.
 

madjoki

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Epic is giving out their own fucking exclusives now lmao

I wonder if they're doing this because the exclusivity deal ends next month and they want to snuff out sales from a possible Steam version 👀
Clever timing to do this right before Steam release.
 
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Epic is giving out their own fucking exclusives now lmao
We are in a odd time, where any Game Plataform should be growning insanily fast, and if EGS is barely moving the needle, Timmy might be worried and will start to give everything away for free just to see some growth.

Thats what I think anyway, and maybe that´s one of the motives they decided to bacome a Publishing Label, maybe they were expecting to see what would happen during this awful period before deciding to annouce it.
 
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ExistentialThought

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In some ways, Epic publishing games is better than them shopping for exclusives using wishlist rankings on Steam and what they should have been doing from the very start. In other ways, I am still hoping there is opportunity for these games to appear on other PC storefronts like Steam, GOG, and more. Epic still has a lot to prove to me personally before I will ever use the store, even for the free game giveaways. This is not out of some corporate favouritism for Steam, it took me many, many years to use Steam as I needed Valve to prove their customer-friendly stance and I will still be critical of them when needed (heck when they were about to mass ban VNs, I almost stopped using Steam entirely).

Other thoughts, I am curious if becoming a formal publisher will dissuade other publishers from distributing their games on EGS as they will be becoming a competitor to those same groups. The potential of poaching developers is too real and EGS' own dealings could cut into profits of other similar titles. Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo get a bit of a free pass in this regard since they are seen as platform holders first and foremost. Heck it could be why we have already seen a few surprise announcements/partnerships that have seemingly excluded Epic.

Last thought for now, as I have to get back to a meeting, I love how everyone were throwing around the word monopoly at Steam and now when we could be seeing the creation of an actual monopoly, not even a whisper. Epic owns a major game engine, has a distribution platform, and is now becoming a publisher. They could theoretically be involved in all parts of the game process and have the means to push out any competitors. Their corporate history has not shied away at using these methods.
 

Derrick01

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I don't like any of the devs they signed so this has minimal impact on me but it's concerning we may now be dealing with permanent exclusives instead of 1 year. Even if they ended up on steam we'd probably now have to deal with the games requiring Epic's account shit (like MS and Bethesda do). Unlike those companies though I will flat out refuse to make an Epic account because of how much I personally dislike that company and Sweeney.

Here's hoping the console versions don't require any of that junk at least.
 

Rosenkrantz

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This is how Sweeney should have started instead of moneyhatting already developed games, nobody would've said a word about exclusivity in this scenario. Yet, here we are at the point there a good chunk of people won't spend a dime on EGS even on games that Epic is going to actually fund because of how utterly shitty the first year of EGS existence was for PC gaming.
 

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This is how Sweeney should have started instead of moneyhatting already developed games, nobody would've said a word about exclusivity in this scenario. Yet, here we are at the point there a good chunk of people won't spend a dime on EGS even on games that Epic is going to actually fund because of how utterly shitty the first year of EGS existence was for PC gaming.
Exactly. It's very unlikely that I will ever use EGS. And I don't see any of these games coming to other storefronts than EGS on release, meaning that I will probably skip Epic published games completely. Plenty of other great games to play.
 

Wildebeet

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Lot of ifs, ors and maybes here. To me this is basically a loan and a temporary safety net, in addition to the usual publisher duties. But there's some things I don't get.

If per the Verge article above, "developers retain 100 percent of all intellectual property and full creative control of their work."
Does that mean they can release it on Steam if they want to?

Because if not, this next bullet point is going to be a bit hard to swallow:
"Developers earn a fair share for their work — once costs are recouped, developers earn at least 50 percent of all profits."

Sounds very generous, except for this part that Epic, like any publisher will be looking to recover:
"Epic Games Publishing will cover up to 100 percent of development costs, from developer salaries to go-to-market expenses such as QA, localization, marketing, and all publishing costs."

I don't mean to pretend to know anything much about the economics of game development, but that is a lot of money before the developer starts to see profits. It sounds like a dependency trap. Epic will get paid back first, and then the developer will see their 50%. If their game is sinkholed onto the unpopular Epic store, they'll likely never make the money back. And if they release elsewhere and it doesn't sell, they still won't get any real money. How do you make your next game during the time you're waiting on income? How do you retain your employees without crawling back to Epic or to another publisher? What happens if you want to go back to self publishing?

Not that I think Epic is trying to get away with wrecking developers while Tim Sweeny twirls his villainous mustache. Rather I think it's another example of the Epic "friend of the little guy" narrative that is a quite questionable and more complicated than Big Check = Big Good.

Also, I don't think these kind of deals are very good for making good games. It takes that pressure off of having to make something people will buy and play, which is a bad thing because your pay is no longer a reward for a good job. Who wouldn't want a fat check up front, of course, but I don't think it provides good feedback. Your actual execution doesn't matter much now that you've been very comfortably paid for not delivering a product yet.

Like if your boss paid you up front for the whole years work, honestly, how hard would you be working right now?

Which in a way is par for the course, because nobody wants to use their poor store. They have to buy developers because they seeming can't buy customers, even with free games. If you had to sell on Steam to actually reach customers to make your living, you'd wonder why you needed to sell on EGS at all, really.
 

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well i woudlnt mind buying stuff on 🥚 if they managed to make it proper store/platform .. but with the speed they are improving it , me ever getting something there is highly unlikely in next few years at least.

but well one thing i have to thank timmy .... because of the taken scloosies i got enough spare gamefunds to get VR headset ... so all is well
 

Ge0force

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well i woudlnt mind buying stuff on 🥚 if they managed to make it proper store/platform .. but with the speed they are improving it , me ever getting something there is highly unlikely in next few years at least.
Plus it's very unlikely that their publishing label means they'll stop money hatting 3rd party games. This is just another step in Sweeneys long term plan that the outcome of the store wars will be decided by developers and not by us as consumers.
 

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I wouldn't be surprised if they hint, hint, nudge, nudged you to sign up for an Epic account to unlock extra content like Bethesda and WB has done in their games.
That would be fine I guess, assuming it's optional. I would just ignore it. Bethesda's started leaning into forcing people to sign up though.
 

kio

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The terms are good but they also seem to good to be true.
Granted this is currently presented in some nice looking bullet points made to make epic look like a savior but without knowing what's really written in paper we'll never know how good the deal really is.
 
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Rosenkrantz

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I admire how Rami is champing Sweeney, you know that man speaks from the heart considering Vlamber's games have as much chances to appear on EGS as Toilet Simulator (it's possible). The only thing I don't get is, why he's still using Steam if Gaben chokes everyone to near death after they've signed papers?
 

Alextended

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I mean, what benefits do they get, is Epic funding the whole games' development or pre-paying expected sales years in advance or what? It could still be bs!
 
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Francis W.M.

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The 50/50 profit sharing once costs are recouped seems dangerous to be honest. I guess Epic will still pay those studios once the game is released because there are still people working on and around that game and that will endlessly add to the "development costs" Epic is paying and that have to be recouped before Epic starts sharing the profit, so if a game doesn't sell particularly well, the studio might never see a dime from the game they made. Sure, the devs at first won't care because it will hurt the studio and not them directly, but it can have a pretty bad effect on the industry in the long run. I might also be wrong and maybe all publishing deals are like that, I'm not sure.
 
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ExistentialThought

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I mentioned it in my earlier reply, but the more and more I think about it, the more I am convinced Epic starting up a publisher arm of their business may result in other major publishers (e.g. EA, Ubisoft, Bethesda, etc.) to be reluctant too work them as they will become direct competitors. There is a reason Bethesda's games are not on Origin and EA's games are not on Uplay and most of Bethesda's games are not on Bethesda's launcher. :face-with-stuck-out-tongue-and-tightly-closed-eyes:

Valve and CPDR have maintained a neutrality in that they still publish their own in-house developed games, but they have not become publishers to other developers themselves. I argue this is why we see most major publishers still put their games on Steam and a few put their games on GOG. I mean we have both Microsoft and Sony publishing games on Steam, which I think is only possible if they do not see Valve and/or Steam hurting their bottom line.

That said, I do not think there will be any major shifts in publisher support of Epic just yet, these are the sort of things which will take years to see the effects of since there may already be other deals/talks in place. It is more food for thought at the moment.
 

Wildebeet

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Why would Playdead, who could probably self-publish on Steam and make a fortune, do this crappy Epic publishing deal? You self publish on Steam, get 70%. You publish with Epic, and if you still sell on Steam you get 35% best case scenario, right? 50% goes to Epic. Split the 30% Steam cut, which Epic will probably not do. And that's all after you pay Epic back on their loan.

Seriously, isn't this basically a loan where you pay 50% interest even after you paid it off?

I'm befuddled here. Why are people championing this as a good idea? It only works if you're dead broke and it's your only move.
 
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Alextended

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Cos other publishers just fund the game for x amount of millions or whatever like they're employees and get all the profit and control of the ip etc., ie sega and platinum's bayonetta and such. Of course deals aren't standard and more powerful studios negotiate better terms and such I'm sure. But yes for indies it's a step down unless they need more cash to actually make the game. and don't wanna loan/take other risk.