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Ooblets looks like it's doing fine, actually. I'd be very surprised if it wasn't out this year.
The thing I wonder is if they wouldn't have done better financially without the EGS thing. So Epic pays based on an agreed upon amount what you would have sold if not for exclusivity. That's a guess number, maybe even a little on the high side. But I wonder if developers of games that turn out to be surprisingly successful, like Goose Game, kind of realize that they'd have made much more if they just went the Steam route in the first place, even with the 30% cut for Valve.
I suspect that Ooblets on EGS will mostly benefit Epic, not the developer due to opportunity cost.
The thing I wonder is if they wouldn't have done better financially without the EGS thing. So Epic pays based on an agreed upon amount what you would have sold if not for exclusivity. That's a guess number, maybe even a little on the high side. But I wonder if developers of games that turn out to be surprisingly successful, like Goose Game, kind of realize that they'd have made much more if they just went the Steam route in the first place, even with the 30% cut for Valve.
I suspect that Ooblets on EGS will mostly benefit Epic, not the developer due to opportunity cost.
This I believe is the case for every single game released on EGS
Yep. Its seems a bit of a shame, like these Devs don't have faith in their product and so take the guarantee payout. I get that its a tough business but personally I think i would want to have as many people as possible playing my game, thats the whole point isnt it? If not then just go get a day job like the rest of us regular Joes.
Taking eggs money says to me that you think your game is lacking the strength to sell on its own and you care more about the money side of games making than the artistic side. If thats the case just become EA
I don't think it has to do with faith. It's a hard reality that only a very small minority of games is (very) successful on Steam. Plenty of very good games failed to reach a wide audience.
Financial security - in other words: being able to pay your rent - is a huge reason for indies to take an exclusivity deal. I don't blame them for doing so. I do blame them for being jerks about it tho.
Yeah i get that and like i say i know its a tough business but if you want financial security then being an indie games developer is not a good choice for profession in this day and age. This is a creative industry for which the main point (in my opinion) should be having people experience your creations. Doing it for the money takes some of the heart out of it. And yeah, they dont have to be jerks. Id be more receptive if they just said 'look, we need the money and dont want the risk of competing with the umpteen games releasing today on Steam'.
oh nice , this on e got bots :-O
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Wrong thread? Though it did remind me of The Tripwire‘s jumping ship. Such a bummer.
yeah, extremely disappointing ... but then again - they were already on my shitlist after doing all the shit they did with KF2
Making games on your own and expecting financial security is the first error they make. Flipping burgers is more financially secure.
I'd rather make games than flipping burgers as well to be honest
Sure, I would do the same. but I would NOT expect financial security.
It's like in any passionate occupation or sport, even if you are good, it is not a given that you get success.
- You can be the acting prodigy of your town, it doesn't mean that you will get success in Hollywood. But your buddy/rival who had a unique acting method stood out and got an Oscar, while you competed with thousands upon thousands of acting prodigies who also were very good at Shakespearean acting.
- You can be the best kart racer ever and not make it into Formula 1.
- etc.
"look at me I have this awesome Metroidvania/3D or 2D Platformer I am special, buy my product" doesn't cut it.
Depends on the burger imoI'd rather make games than flipping burgers as well to be honest
Agreed. But if someone offered you financial security, you wouldn't refuse it either, no matter how much faith I have in my game. That's what I was trying to say.
Agreed. But if someone offered you financial security, you wouldn't refuse it either, no matter how much faith I have in my game. That's what I was trying to say.
But is it the right choice?
Let's say you are working on a prototype (regardless of the field, either mechanical, electronics, software, farming, etc.) and want to patent it. several companies give you buttloads of money but you lose the rights to the product or just get very little from sales.
you never made money off it, yet and you sunk an immense amount of your own money into it. Do you sell it to the corporations for a lump-sum and some crumbs, or are do you have faith in your product and be the new Benz/Ford/Edison/Newell/Zuckerberg etc.
Translating that to gaming, you could be the new Factorio, Mount and Blade, Rimworld, Kerbal Space Program, etc.
But that needs passion, faith in your product and work, communicating with your fans, talent, the right Genre, etc.
If not, you are the next Rune II
I'm only a Red Orchestra / Rising Storm fan so idk! Honestly, whatever gets those games to be more popular. I'll wait a year, fine. But more people need to get on the RO/RS train
I'm not sure it's the right choice. But looking at how successful former EGS exclusives are on Steam, I'd like to believe so.
It seems the majority of EGS haters doesn't hold a grudge against devs and publishers for taking Epic's money, and just buy the moneyhatted games when they are being released in other storefronts.
Also, these games are getting a second release after 12 months, paired with extra (media) attention. No doubt this helps getting extra sales as well.
Last but not least the Satisfactory devs have succeeded in building a big and loyal user base as well, despite the exclusivity.
So in theory, these devs are getting guaranteed money for the amount of projected sales on pc, plus extra revenue from the successful Steam release a year later, without significant damage to their reputation. This almost sounds too good to be true, so I wonder if I'm missing something. Why would Annapurna stop releasing on EGS if it was so great?
It is a devil's proof, though. We can't know if they wouldn't have had a bigger success without the moneyhat.
And the people boycotting the publisher/dev aren't zero, which means lost customers, maybe forever (like me)
for me personally, it soured me on Deep Silver, Annapurna, and Devolver Digital. especially DD shat the bed and exposed that the Anti-establishment comedy is just that, comedy.
Any game from devs from these 3 publishers is an automatic pass for me now. Indie devs always got a benefit of the doubt from me, I was always at least interested in what they got if the genre was a match. Now they opened my eyes that most indies are just entitled assholes or slaves of their corporate overlords that don't care about their fanbase.
My gaming purchases nearly scratched to a halt since early 2019, And i play my old games more and more often, I even fucking played World of Warcraft again for 1,5 months. fucking world of Warcraft, so disenfranchised and disappointed I am with the current market.
And the people boycotting the publisher/dev aren't zero, which means lost customers, maybe forever (like me)
for me personally, it soured me on Deep Silver, Annapurna, and Devolver Digital. especially DD shat the bed and exposed that the Anti-establishment comedy is just that, comedy.
Any game from devs from these 3 publishers is an automatic pass for me now. Indie devs always got a benefit of the doubt from me, I was always at least interested in what they got if the genre was a match. Now they opened my eyes that most indies are just entitled assholes or slaves of their corporate overlords that don't care about their fanbase.
My gaming purchases nearly scratched to a halt since early 2019, And i play my old games more and more often, I even fucking played World of Warcraft again for 1,5 months. fucking world of Warcraft, so disenfranchised and disappointed I am with the current market.
Take-Two’s Private Division welcomes competition from Epic Games
Private Division has established itself as a publisher working between the indie and blockbusters space, and now it must compete with Epic.
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Guess this means no more EGS exclusives from Take Two? Or Private Division at least.
Private Division are not going to sign exclusives with a competitor's storefront when one of their big selling points to potential development partners is where their game will be sold on PC. If you're going to make your games exclusive to EGS, you lose to Epic publishing. Epic's terms and undoubtedly more generous to developers, at least at the moment. Not being tied to EGS is going to be one of the plusses going forward, since that store is an albatross around any game's neck.
I wouldn't discount 2K or R* from signing more deals, however.
I wouldn't discount 2K or R* from signing more deals, however.
Ain´t that a kick in the balls?
This just tells me that their plan was always to grab Epic´s moneyhat, dont sell nothing, and make the bulk of sales on Steam.
Ain´t that a kick in the balls?
This just tells me that their plan was always to grab Epic´s moneyhat, dont sell nothing, and make the bulk of sales on Steam.
That bolded part in the quote somewhat reads like regret or simply using Epic to get a quick paycheck and get the broader audience on Steam.
Might mirror what looks like is Sonys thought process, release Predator and Readyset Heroes on Epic for a quick paycheck, but release Horizon on Steam to reach the actual PC audience.
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Patrice Désilets can´t get a break, I doubt he saw any money T2/PD made from the deal with Epic, and Ancestors came and went, and I doubt anybody will give a shit when it eventually hit Steam.
I think this is pressure from the devs, because of bots.
I don´t think Epic wants the bots to stop, they inflate the numbers in Epics favor a lot.
At best one of these is true.
Two-factor authentification? Gotta stop the bots claiming games.
For some, sure. I mostly ignore freebies on origin or uplay, because I have to either
- find my password
- update the client
- get a 2FA code from my spam folder which I have to open in the web-browser because Spam only gets displayed every 24hours in Outlook.
Agreed. I believe people boycotting the publisher/dev are a very small minority, but for me it feels the right thing to do as well.
So far I've ignored every game involved in Epic's moneyhats, with the exception of early access games that release in multiple storefronts when finished. The only EGS exclusives I still want to play are Control and Metro Exodus, but chances are these games will appear on Humble Choice later.
I've also added a few publishers (Deep Silver, Annapurna, Big Ben, Ubisoft and Private Division) to my blacklist for being deeply in bed with Epic. I won't hold a grudge forever against these publishers since it's only business for them, but for now I'm ignoring their games completely.
I've also blacklisted a few devs (Ooblets, Phoenix Point etc) for being jerks towards their fans or for selling their backers to Epic. I won't ever support these devs anymore.
Rip all eBay sellers running bots to claim games for tons of accounts.
At least until they can adapt.
At least until they can adapt.
Your Blacklist looks like mine, except I also have blacklisted SuperGiant.
If it;s just for the store, well, it'll have to be a helluva freebie to get me to use that. If I need it for dicking around in the engine, that will shift my focus completely.
EGS finally added CAD support but some publishers didnt get the memo because Vampire the Masquerade 2, Death Stranding and Cyberpunk are using the default regional pricing ($65.99cad) instead of their actual price ($79.99)
Well, they probably don't know about other regional prices too, because games are cheaper than on their own stores.
Or maybe agreements force them to let EPIC dictate regional prices or something.
Well, they probably don't know about other regional prices too, because games are cheaper than on their own stores.
Or maybe agreements force them to let EPIC dictate regional prices or something.
that might be the case ... doubt 505 would let it slide like that
Checking the Aussie prices for Steam vs. Epic.
Hmm... i though the cut would make games cheaper?
- Darksiders III $2 cheaper on steam
- Outward the same
- Subnauticas $1-$2 cheaper on steam
- Hades $2 cheaper on steam
- Metro Exodus the same
Hmm... i though the cut would make games cheaper?
Prices would be the same even if Epic only charged 5% tax. Timmy's trickle down has always been a bad excuse.
A revenue-increasing measure leading profit-seeking companies to hold on to any and all gains? Say it ain’t so! Even accepting pie in sky economic concepts like that, the very idea of significantly lower prices for games while developers also earn more has been comically paradoxical since this whole thing got off the ground.
another great post from Rob:
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No Epic Win Today
It’s been rather entertaining reading back over the outrageous amounts of noise from when Epic launched their store in a blaze of publicity, more than a year ago. Oh, the excitement! Finally …
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Instead of thanking Epic for having Valve become more open with its user base, as well as promoting events like LudoNarrCon and the LGBTQ+ themed event some months ago, we should be looking at Epic Game Store and asking why it isn't doing something similar itself.
But having an LGBT+ sale would probably upset Tencent
You forgot how Tim Sweeny said he don't mind people stating their (political) views on Fortnite?But having an LGBT+ sale would probably upset Tencent
Epic doesnt care what the community does but I highly doubt they’ll do an LGBT sale or anything like that themselves because they as a company want to stay as “neutral” as possible.
Non the less, themed events like what steam does is great, but all EGS does is 'Mega Sales', devaluing games they said they didn't want to do.
Epic isn't into doing promotion, remember? I'm sure if devs or influencers try, they'll "support it", but EGS itself must remain serious business. Also that'd be way too much work to implement for a weekend. Maybe if you gave them 6 months heads up.
one more good thread from Rob:
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Bobbins (@RobF@mastodon.social)
So, wrote a bit about how the Epic Store hasn't moved the needle in any sort of substantial way for any of us. Amazingly, as observant as I can be, without noticing they'd announced how much revenue the store pulled in over the course of the year...
He's not saying anything we didn't already know though the perspective on Epic not even topping Steam's performance in 2010 is interesting!