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Naraka: Bladepoint no longer has a release date on EGS:


Probably not even coming anytime soon.

EDIT: It looks like Epic hid the release dates for anything that is coming soon and is not pre-purchasable.
 
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Coincidently, that is actually what I was talking about on the prior page based on that same document.

Seeing their P&L though never ceases to amaze me, like having $1B+ on cumulative losses with a 12% on third party revenue will never not seem risky. Excluding continuing costs, they would need over $8.3B+ in third party sales to recover their losses. By Tim's admission their profits target 5-7%, so assuming a 6%, doubles that third party sales threshold to $16.6B+ to recoup their cumulative losses.

Of course, the main way they forecast their store becoming profitable is converting games into Epic published titles, hence the shift in the mix between Store and Publisher Revenue in their gross revenue. What is even more funny is their actual costs out pace their store revenue alone, or in other words, they anticipate their costs to be more than what they make from third parties on the store, in their own dang forecast! Look at 2027 for the most extreme example in how third party store revenue shrivels and they can have higher margins since they have a lower revenue share as a publisher. Even if their agreements are generous as a publisher, I cannot help but think it is funny how they are planning on chasing after a lower revenue share model in order to become profitable and how they will likely never be called out because they have seemingly managed to PR the hell out of all of this and folks will silo the publisher and storefront efforts instead of consider them as a whole business model.

I could keep harping on this and point out a lot more on just that one page, but dang.
Like I said then, I could continue to harp on it, but really I think more folks need to look at that document and see that at least in Epic's June 2020 plans even they were forecasting no profit from their store model. Only by converting games into Epic published titles do they forecast themselves earning a profit due to the higher margins on those titles over the 12%/88% revenue share of the store. Even then, their cumulative losses may continue well into year 8+ of their foray into this market. A market that in 8-10 years may not even exist in the way that Epic is working towards now and this could all just be frivolous spend.
 

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Epic Games store releases its first asset flip


Same dev as "He Will Shoot" on Epic. While on Steam both games have different developer name


Is He Will Shoot asset flip too?
 

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I'm afraid this colossal failure from epic, will push Epic to use EOS like a trojan horse for steam user base.
We users have only to lost from this Epic evil plan to hostile takeover the pc gaming
 

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I'm afraid this colossal failure from epic, will push Epic to use EOS like a trojan horse for steam user base.
We users have only to lost from this Epic evil plan to hostile takeover the pc gaming
They already begun, I blocked the Epic services on my Hosts file, no game I played had any problem yet, but any game in the future who does will be an instant refund.
 

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So what was that about curating the store and not accepting "Crappy games" ?
The Epic Store won't accept 'crappy games,' says Tim Sweeney

We'll have a quality standard that doesn't accept crappy games. We'll accept reasonably good quality games, of any scale, whether small indie games to huge triple-A games, and we'll take everything up to, like, an R-rated movie or an M-rated game. A GTA game would be fine to us, but Epic's not going to distribute porn games or bloatware or asset flips, or any sort of thing that's meant to shock players
Well I guess porn games will be next.
 
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Official confirmation that Epic's moneyhatting failed horribly. The hyper-toxic pro-consumer PC community claims another innocent corporate victim, so sad.
Am I reading it right that indie games only sold for 20% of their MG on EGS?
Since 2019, MG's are based on 50% of the expected revenue on Steam during the first year if I remember correctly.
This would mean that these indies sold about 90% less on EGS than they were expected to sell on Steam.

Thats.... great news :D


I'm afraid this colossal failure from epic, will push Epic to use EOS like a trojan horse for steam user base.
EOS is meant to kill Steamworks. It was literally mentioned in the leaked docs from the Epic vs Apple case.
 
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FF7 Remake just went live. It's still $70 and there's no launch discount.

Edit: Apparently it doesn't have Denuvo, but I haven't found anything to 100% confirm that.
 
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Sadly I think FF7R will still sell well because of the brand name and coupon. I naively hope it and Forspoken do poorly on PC so companies don't try to push $70 on the platform as hard.
I honestly wouldn't be so sure about that.
The Final Fantasy brand doesn't have as much pull on PC as on Playstation (because SE is doing their best to keep it that way).
It's an almost shadow drop on EGS, a lot of people won't even know it releases.
Maybe hardcore fans from the US will get it, but everywhere else in the world the price is dogshit even with the coupon.
 
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I honestly wouldn't be so sure about that.
The Final Fantasy brand doesn't have as much pull on PC as on Playstation (because SE is doing their best to keep it that way).
It's an almost shadow drop on EGS, a lot of people won't even know it releases.
Maybe hardcore fans from the US will get it, but everywhere else in the world the price is dogshit even with the coupon.
I hope you're right, but I'm still pessimistic. The top sellers will update in about 12 hours so we'll kind of have a gauge for the first day sales. I still think it'll top the chart, but might fall off after a few days.
 

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Naraka: Bladepoint no longer has a release date on EGS:


Probably not even coming anytime soon.

EDIT: It looks like Epic hid the release dates for anything that is coming soon and is not pre-purchasable.

It just launched on EGS.
 

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FF7R already "cracked", curious to know if SE even care if people pirates the game since they already got paid.
 
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FF7R already "cracked", curious to know if SE even care if people pirates the game since they already got paid.
Yeah, I suspect that too. Epic probably spent enough money on FF7R to the point where Square Enix wouldn't care about people pirating. And considering the low sales on EGS, why waste money paying for Denuvo?
 

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I think that some people are buying FF7R, downloading it, getting a refund, and then just keeping the files and playing it offline because there is no DRM lol
Why go through so much effort if you can simply download it from torrents?
 

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So the PC version of Tony Hawk Remastered is lifetime EGS exclusive I guess? I can find it nowhere else, not even damn torrents.

It is 14 bucks now, so I am tempted..
 

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Epic hands out another bunch of coupons, and the "EGS > Steam" shills are already over the internet. Incredible how some people's opinion can be bought for a lousy ten dollars 🙄
 
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Epic hands out another bunch of coupons, and the "EGS > Steam" shills are already over the internet. Incredible how some people's opinion can be bought for a lousy ten dollars 🙄
Those people are always a vocal minority. Just ignore them - no point in getting upset about it.

Money talks and EGS is losing it hand over fist.

In other news, it looks like the store has gone down. Checkout and login is completely borked, so no one can buy games right now.

Edit: The store going down isn't related strictly to Epic - Cloudflare has gone down, so a whole bunch of sites went with it.
 
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So the PC version of Tony Hawk Remastered is lifetime EGS exclusive I guess? I can find it nowhere else, not even damn torrents.

It is 14 bucks now, so I am tempted..
acti probably just forgot .... tbh my mine problem with it is that the PC version is online only and crashes when internet derps because of that .... so noway in hell for me even for 14 bucks
 

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Epic hands out another bunch of coupons, and the "EGS > Steam" shills are already over the internet. Incredible how some people's opinion can be bought for a lousy ten dollars 🙄
Sir, you know it's always the same, nothing to worry about and as always just happens when there's a coupon involved which is summer and winter.
 
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You guys really need to stop caring about the top seller list. It's a bunch of manipulative lies. Epic will put FF7R on top regardless of how it will be doing,
This. Stop giving it any credit. It's the same as in store best sellers lists for books (i.e. it's basically just curated rather than reflective of anything real)
 

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Nothing wrong with buying games with coupons. Don't hate them, hate Epic.
If surprised devs aren't taking advantage of $10 and pricing games $5-8 above target price.

As for top sellers list, I can't properly explain, but it defintely feels very erratic, so I don't really put any trust into it.
 

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So I wonder how this Shenmue deal worked for them?
Tim paid for exclusivity way back, and I seriously doubt he made his money back in sales. So did he have to pay the developer again to give the game away, or was he able to just do it, if the sales threshold was never met?
 

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So I wonder how this Shenmue deal worked for them?
Tim paid for exclusivity way back, and I seriously doubt he made his money back in sales. So did he have to pay the developer again to give the game away, or was he able to just do it, if the sales threshold was never met?
I doubt they can just do that. To release Shenmue III for free, they’d need to negotiate with the publisher again.
 

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Yeah, they probably have a better leverage to say that we will buyout of your remaining $X minimum guarantee plus $X and that means the developer/publisher would also be able to start earning on the store regularly again.