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Here's link on discord, apparently that's crappy host
The link is dead.
Yes ... that's a sweeny shitpost.
E: oooh it's from the wolfire case.
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He literally has the mind of a child. I guess being disgustingly rich has that effect on some people. 
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Honestly, the "you assholes" sounds so strange I want to think they all know each other well and this is more a friendly ribbing (while still being genuinely pissed about the 30% of course). The "You mad bro" follow-up indicates as such. Hilarious either way though.
Of course, these days Valve's cut is quite a bit lower than 30% due to the 25-20 tiers, plus selling keys without any cut, plus selling steam cards and eating the payment costs.
It wouldn't, Sweeney just hopes it would increase pressure on Apple to (eventually) reconsider.
Of course, these days Valve's cut is quite a bit lower than 30% due to the 25-20 tiers, plus selling keys without any cut, plus selling steam cards and eating the payment costs.
Why was he sending some inane rant about Apple to Gabe lmao
Document that is delightfully unredacted for a redacted version, on epic profit margins.
Anyway, there is a reason Galyokin got the boot. If you look at steamspy, numbers aren't his strongsuit.
The worst part is he's still making over $100,000 a year off it.i don't know what you mean
i don't know what you mean
"...which is unheard of."
Well gee, I wonder why no other businesses have drastically cut their revenue split to gain market share. Surely its only greed and not needing to profit.
I have to assume far more behind the scenes numbers and analytics went into it, but these figures in that email from Sergey are absolutely back of napkin maths that you should never build a business model on. They could have come out with a 15 percent rev split, or even higher, and lowered later on with dialed in data. Instead they bet the house and have little path to profitablity unless spend per user grows significantly.
Also using FNs data to overlay onto costs of servicing other content is dangerously naive. FN is an outlier in a lot of ways. But focusing on any one game to adjust your business plan is stupid. You would need to market analyze what costs are for the industry. So basic of mistakes that it amazes me how folks get into the positions they have, and this is coming from a certified dummy (though not I am not dummmyy)
Well gee, I wonder why no other businesses have drastically cut their revenue split to gain market share. Surely its only greed and not needing to profit.
I have to assume far more behind the scenes numbers and analytics went into it, but these figures in that email from Sergey are absolutely back of napkin maths that you should never build a business model on. They could have come out with a 15 percent rev split, or even higher, and lowered later on with dialed in data. Instead they bet the house and have little path to profitablity unless spend per user grows significantly.
Also using FNs data to overlay onto costs of servicing other content is dangerously naive. FN is an outlier in a lot of ways. But focusing on any one game to adjust your business plan is stupid. You would need to market analyze what costs are for the industry. So basic of mistakes that it amazes me how folks get into the positions they have, and this is coming from a certified dummy (though not I am not dummmyy
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Imho they could have been successful (eventually profitable) even with 88/12 if they invested lot of resources into making EGS actually better than Steam on features, design and functionality (plus provide the free games, discounts etc) and never poisoned the well by depriving people of value via forcing exclusivity on their vastly inferior platform.
But, they chose the path they chose, and therefore failed.
But, they chose the path they chose, and therefore failed.
It's cost of opportunity, Epic invested its resources in dead ends that have not yielded any significant benefits. and as soon as their main source of income started to decline, their tactic of outspending their rivals was dismantled and led to an almost complete standstill for the EGS.
The only reason we see the store still going is because it is instrumental to their legal battles around the world and Tim Sweeney's personal crusade.
Also, reading the emails, I don't know about Galyokin credentials in the video game or corporate world but at best what he wrote is napkin math and anyone with a modicum of corporate experience would be able to tell him ten things he has not considered that would cause their strategy to fail. What I don't know is how nobody at Epic told them "no", because after years of being on the "numbers" side of the industry I can tell you his emails read like gibberish trying to justify an untenable policy that could only work on paper.
Dark and Darker was previously on Steam, but got delisted because of legal issues with Nexon.
The developers claim that it'll come back to Steam in the future, but not until it's "Steam-ready." I wonder if they are taking the first run offer to have it exclusive on EGS for 6 months?
I wish devs would stop telling nonsense if they go EGS exclusive to get more profit one way or another. On the blacklist this goes.
It's not exclusive in the usual sense as you can purchase it now from their own site and something called Chaf Games. I think the Dark and Darker devs want to be back on Steam, but Valve is being conservative and won't allow it until the Nexon case has completely resolved.
Steve Alison said it's launching by the end of the year.
So what happened to the "you still have to pay apple for each install" ?
Last year Tim implied they were "ready to deploy".
They mentioned having third party games so I'm sure stuff like Mihoyo and Ubisoft titles will launch on it. I don't think it'll do significantly better than other alternate stores such as Samsung or Amazon. Google Play and the App Store simply dwarf alternate stores.
Really the worst part about Epic launching a mobile store is they'll likely combine all their numbers into one instead of separating them.
EU is on Apple's case about it. They're going to be forced to walk it back ala reversing the Epic ban.
I feel like if their success on PC has been any indicator, their mobile attempts are going to need three wishes and prayer.
Mobile is even more cutthroat than PC or consoles with a massive gap between success and failure. Fucking Amazon struggled to make a dent in the market and they did the same free app giveaways and tons of funneling back into their ecosystem through all of their product lines. Epic hitting the scene and trying to take even less money is once again betting the house on massive growth from somewhere and leading those folks back into things they do make money on, which is seemingly only Fortnite at the moment still... Unreal Engine makes money, but with the amount of things they are trying to write off to get folks to jump to UE, and with how little companies want to pay to use an engine, it still cannot be much more than 250m-500m a year (which I think 250m was well above the actual rev from the years that were leaked).
I know we have said it for years, but it still surprises me how much they seemingly rely on Fortnite to fund all of these endeavors that have tight or non-existent profit margins.
Mobile is even more cutthroat than PC or consoles with a massive gap between success and failure. Fucking Amazon struggled to make a dent in the market and they did the same free app giveaways and tons of funneling back into their ecosystem through all of their product lines. Epic hitting the scene and trying to take even less money is once again betting the house on massive growth from somewhere and leading those folks back into things they do make money on, which is seemingly only Fortnite at the moment still... Unreal Engine makes money, but with the amount of things they are trying to write off to get folks to jump to UE, and with how little companies want to pay to use an engine, it still cannot be much more than 250m-500m a year (which I think 250m was well above the actual rev from the years that were leaked).
I know we have said it for years, but it still surprises me how much they seemingly rely on Fortnite to fund all of these endeavors that have tight or non-existent profit margins.
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For comparison, Roblox paid out $741 million in 2023. I believe Fortnite has far more generous terms though.
Hopefully Tim fights against the 15% LEGO tax.
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It's been almost a year since Epic Games launched Unreal Editor for Fortnite (UEFN), and the company seems quite please…
For comparison, Roblox paid out $741 million in 2023. I believe Fortnite has far more generous terms though.
Also, I have to imagine this includes their per-reversal on UEFN creator payout terms that now requires folks to make purchases. Previously it was on playtime or something, which likely resulted in some hefty payouts that were not sustainable (cue the changes).
Steve Allison lol "The Epic Games Store should be considered in the launch plans of every game coming to PC"
EGS continues to miss out on most games coming to PC
EGS continues to miss out on most games coming to PC
Did he say that today? I need video proof or it didn't happen.
Epic rewards.
I didn't realize that was a thing and that's basically what Nintendo and Humble Already offer.
I think Sony technically offers something similar as do Xbox, how ever there's work different. For Sony and Xbox their thing is more similar to the my Nintendo silver coins and you use those to get store credit, while with Nintendo you just need to buy games to get the gold coins which can be directly used to pay for games.
Epic Rewards are one of the very few things I wish Valve would have implemented something similar. When the points shop first leaked, I hoped it was going to be some sort of loyalty rewards program.
To go back to looking at them eating crackers though, I think Epic undermined their own program by starting the increased % back during select sales, but that is a debate for another day.
To go back to looking at them eating crackers though, I think Epic undermined their own program by starting the increased % back during select sales, but that is a debate for another day.
Every now and then, I like to return to this thread and read about how the hostile takeover of PC gaming has failed.
And yes, it's a tragedy how much money has been wasted on this crusade that could have gone to more noble causes.
And yes, it's a tragedy how much money has been wasted on this crusade that could have gone to more noble causes.
No wonder about both the lack of Epic exclusives and the lack of good game pass waves.
I guess between money no longer being "free" and not getting the returns (users/money) they wanted it was bound to happen (although you could already see it happening).
It is no surprise, going into a high interest environment, coupled with some downturn in consumer spend, investors grumbling, and these services needing to transition to be more profitable, or at least, less costly, and you are going to see less deals floating around.
I do not foresee these deals returning anytime soon unless new platforms appear. Though that would be a surprise given how a lot of new services within the past 4 years have struggled or shuttered. I think expectations are going to continue to shift going forward and where the money will follow, but god I hope it does not continue to follow a couple of things I already know it is, but time will tell.
I do not foresee these deals returning anytime soon unless new platforms appear. Though that would be a surprise given how a lot of new services within the past 4 years have struggled or shuttered. I think expectations are going to continue to shift going forward and where the money will follow, but god I hope it does not continue to follow a couple of things I already know it is, but time will tell.
Smaller games were never going to move the needle and big games are too expensive to constantly sign exclusive deals. I still think they'll give the old college try for GTA 6, but I wouldn't expect the cadence of exclusives from 2019-2021 to happen again.
Epic has pivoted towards UEFN as their next big thing. They're paying out hundreds of millions of dollars a year for masterpieces like this.
Epic has pivoted towards UEFN as their next big thing. They're paying out hundreds of millions of dollars a year for masterpieces like this.
Epic realized they couldn't overtake Valve so instead they decided to try their hand at the prestige market of mobile asset flip rip offs.
I guess selling asset flips is very profitable despite all backlash.