I understand where you are coming from but I'd ask you to consider tempering this decision. We have so much to loose from kickstarter dying. Boycotting KS isn't the only way to make sure projects don't go to EGS. We have to find a solution that preserves this funding method because if it dies, then the dream of games that the industry would never fund dies with it.
there fucking better be ... i doubt people will just let it slide
I may feel differently a few weeks from now, but I have never been more pissed off over a Kickstarter until now. I've backed projects where the devs disappeared or the project fell through and I never got what I was promised, and those have upset me less than this. There is a level of arrogance in how Ys Net, Deep Silver and Epic Games is handling this situation, and the fact that they appear to have no concern for how their backers feel about this is absolutely insulting.
No argument from me about how is guilty for crowdfunding's death but I'd rather prevent it and do the right thing. My point was how else can we prevent this kind of last-minute moneybag-throwing Epic is playing at.If crowdfunding dies, it's not the fault of the potential backers who got scared off. It's not even completely the fault of Epic or Sweeney. It's the fault of the dirtbags like Deep Silver, YS Net, Yu Suzuki, Snapshot Games and Julian Gollop who poisoned the well by taking the deals they did.
If devs want my support, I'll need to see them take a stand against this kind of behavior, and calling out their fellow (dirtbag) devs for poisoning the well. If I see that, maybe I'll crowdfund another game.
Granted it's already funded, but I was actually going to put some money down on R-Type Final 2 today, but now? Meh.
Kazuma Kijo can blame Yu Suzuki for my lost pledge
I don't know what to say and I would feel the same gall in your place. I just think crowdfunding needs to live and in order to do that, these practices by Epic and the studios/pubs willingly going along need to be publicly shamed and pointed at.
I agree and I have nothing to add, I'm on the same boat.
Disgusting. These devs actually sold their backers to Epic. This is probably the reason why Epic is trying so hard to get exclusivity for crowdfunded games. This is the must scummy way to force people into using a certain store I've ever seen.
Well, to be fair they are being honest, because they are telling you they are being... dishonest?
Different speech, same result.
I understand what you mean, but I can't possibly respect a developer who takes someone's money under a pretence, and then tells those same people that they are out of luck, someone came and offered them more. We hope you understand, guys.
I had no idea the game had been crowdfunded and that changes things a lot. The fact your product wouldn't even exist without the people who believed in your promises at the start should make you think twice before doing these shady stunts and get-rich-quick schemes. I can understand that they might be afraid their game will fail and they won't have a chance to make another but abusing people's belief is an extremely low and pathetic move. Like I said before, it's all about honesty.
Okay so now what the fuck do I do.
I think that's probably all you can do, sadly. Also, call your credit card provider and see if you can do a chargeback.
This will likely end up in a class action and probably kill crowdfunding once and for all when it comes to gaming. Disgusting.
They're already feeling the heat. This is getting a lot of press, moreso than other EGS exclusives have. I think in part that's the press wanting Shenmue III to fail for some odd reason, but my enemy's enemy etc.
That's a huge surprise to me. Are backer's concerns represented in good faith or is it more "look at those angry people lol E3 drama" bullshit? From the articles I have read, they are still siding with Epic and spinning as per usual.
All articles I've seen mention "some backers" are upset and asking for refunds, and obviously side with the developers and publisher, acting like people who were promised one thing, and then are told they are getting another, and are being denied refunds, are just some "angry mob", like we are gamergators or something.
The only way to eat a hamburger. Or any kind of food.I'm in a hamburger restaurant and the guy next to me just ordered a double-cheese burger without cheese
No no no, holy fuck no. Not you, Dontnod :'(
Not particularly mad about this, they clearly say they're doing this because they need money and state how long the exclusivity deal is. I can live this, I'll get the game in 2021.
Not necessarily respect, but it's better than hearing "It's for your own good".We have to respect it? Screw that!
I mean, if a guy came to you to steal your wallet, would you respect him more if he told you beforehand he was going to do it?
I don't particularly care for Shenmue 3, but this is bullshit of the highest degree. You know what, I just put Deep Silver's Steam publisher page on ignore. This isn't even the first time they do something like this, so fuck them forever.
Ok, let me rephrase that: if a guy comes to steal your wallet, would you respect him less if he told you "It's for your own good", instead of just stealing it?
By the way, Shibuya Production is involved in both Shenmue III and Twin Mirrors.
I mean, by the time Chris Roberts will be ready, EGS most likely will cease to exist, and we will be dead as well, so I'm not worried about it.
So, what will be next f*** you to customers/backers? Star Citizen EGS exclusive? I guess it would need to actually release for that
I'm a backer and I'm taking offense at those cheap shots
.Even if that was true: that hamburger restaurant is selling many different burgers without cheese. Some people just like to feel important I guess
I did the same. And Annapurna and Private Division are on ignore as well. If Epic succeeds in establishing store exclusivity deals on pc, these publishers are playing a huge role in it.
You can absolutely sue a Kickstarter for not delivering. This is made clear by even Kickstarter themselves. There's no magic that wipes away legal responsibility.
I need money too, but you won't catch me stealing the PCs from my office and reselling them online.
I would hate him to death in both scenarios, but the former would also make me feel insultedOk, let me rephrase that: if a guy comes to steal your wallet, would you respect him less if he told you "It's for your own good", instead of just stealing it?
Personally, I would still be out of my wallet, that guy would still be a f#$/#%& thief, so I can't say it would make much difference to me.
I'm obviously joking, and understand your point, even if personally, I can't say it makes much difference to me.
That's not the case with Dontnod though. The game is currently in development and won't be out for a while, they didn't take money from anyone (at least on the customers side). They clearly stated that they're going with Epic because they need money and Epic evidently gave them a better deal compared to the one Bamco originally offered.
How about we don't look for excuses for Devs who go the exclusivity route with Timmy and the spy? Fuck them.
I don't like thinking like that, I consider each case on its own, because they're not the same.
