|OT| Epic vs Apple/Google - Battle of the Tims

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Google will make it easier to use 3rd party app stores in Android 12:


I'm guessing that the setup will include a list of App stores that a person can install in addition to the Google Play Store. I wonder if Valve will try to enter the market?
 

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I don't like the judge's lack of issues with walled gardens if I understand her correctly. That being said, she's right that Epic walked into one knowingly.
 

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I don't like the judge's lack of issues with walled gardens if I understand her correctly. That being said, she's right that Epic walked into one knowingly.
I don't think she doesn't have an issue with that, but I think that's out of the scope of this lawsuit. It is more on the line of 'you already make business with all these companies who do exactly the same, why do you take issue with Apple'.
 

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I don't think she doesn't have an issue with that, but I think that's out of the scope of this lawsuit. It is more on the line of 'you already make business with all these companies who do exactly the same, why do you take issue with Apple'.
That make sense then, thanks.
 
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thanks for the explanation ISee

for me its a thing where i don't much care about the inflated numbers that epic is giving out to the judge, but i do roll my eyes at the argument because its a very tired and also very obviously dumb one. i feel like the judge probably did the same but obviously can't see what's in her head.

as far as walled gardens, i'll stick to what i've said before. i'm not a fan and i'd like them all to be challenged but goddamn it's a real bummer that the clowns at epic are the ones to finally do it. i'd take almost any company over them.
 
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Regardless of the outcome of the hearing (I expect Unreal's protection to be maintained) the proceedings aptly demonstrated why Epic was the absolute worst company to raise such a case. Epic can't fully commit to the main argument because it doesn't want to get on Sony and Microsoft's bad side or it has already successfully negotiated side deals with them, the result being that it has left a wide open vector for Apple to attack from. The judge hammered home that point multiple times, even mentioned Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo by name and Epic had no response.
 
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I honestly feel like this is a case where a jury trial would only provide spectacle rather than any extra insight.
It's essentially two megacorporations arguing over the minutiae of their business relationship, and who gets to pocket a few extra millions.
 

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I honestly feel like this is a case where a jury trial would only provide spectacle rather than any extra insight.
It's essentially two megacorporations arguing over the minutiae of their business relationship, and who gets to pocket a few extra millions.
Realistically? Yes.

I think you are selling short the historical, unrealistic possibility of a walled garden being forced to open though.
 

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As I mentioned a few pages ago, EU regulators and lawmakers are already working on legislation that big tech companies are most definitely not going to like:


Under the proposal, tech firms with the potential to act as gatekeepers "shall not pre-install exclusively their own applications nor require from any third-party operating system developers or hardware manufacturers to pre-install exclusively gatekeepers' own application," according to Reuters. The draft also mandates that gatekeeper companies will also not be permitted to use data collected on their platforms to target users unless that data is also shared with rival firms.
 

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As I mentioned a few pages ago, EU regulators and lawmakers are already working on legislation that big tech companies are most definitely not going to like:

Europe has its problem, this is not one of them. Damn, I'd like all of that to come to pass. Of course they'll threaten to leave that market, and they won't, because it's also a market.
 

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A jury trial would happen in a year at the earliest, Epic want this done while they are currently spending all this money on their marketing campaign.
 
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It's not directly related to the court battle between Apple and Epic but I believe it's very important to mention here because it is an indication of the general political sentiment against Apple:


  • The House Judiciary subcommittee released a report on Tuesday that said that Apple has “monopoly power” over software distribution on iPhones.
  • It says that this power allows Apple to generate large profits from the App Store and extract rents from developers.
  • The 450-page report from the Democratic majority staff is the culmination of a 16-month investigation that also examined competitive practices at Amazon, Facebook, and Google and included the CEOs of the four giants testifying over videoconference in August.
Regardless of the trial's outcome I don't see how tech companies will avoid regulation.
 

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It's not directly related to the court battle between Apple and Epic but I believe it's very important to mention here because it is an indication of the general political sentiment against Apple:




Regardless of the trial's outcome I don't see how tech companies will avoid regulation.
Yeah that is huge! Not only for apple but that goes for every device that doesn't have a fully open OS.
 

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It's not directly related to the court battle between Apple and Epic but I believe it's very important to mention here because it is an indication of the general political sentiment against Apple:




Regardless of the trial's outcome I don't see how tech companies will avoid regulation.

IDK. Conservatives hate regulation and they're about to get their SCOTUS justice to make it 6-3.
 
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