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So I'm thinking of getting a secondary console.

There's a few games that aren't on Steam that I want to play (considering giving KH another go, Alan Wake II, The Expanse by Telltale) so I figure I can just play them on console.

I already have an Xbox Series S, but I got that system just for digital 360/OG Xbox backwards compatibility and never really considered it a system I'd play modern games on.

So I'm considering my options.

Keep Series S
  • Cheapest option (pro)
  • No messing about with adding a HDMI 2.1 switch to get it working with my setup (pro)
  • Least amount of space used in my TV cabinet (pro)
  • Games play in 1080p at best, possibly 900p for many (con)

Upgrade to Xbox Series X
  • Middling price as I can sell my Series S to upgrade (not pro or con)
  • Get higher end backwards compatible games (pro)
  • No messing about with adding a HDMI 2.1 switch to get it working with my setup (pro)
  • Will likely just switch out with my Series S in the TV cabinet (pro)
  • Most powerful console (pro)
  • Not much in the way of exclusives, other than those that Epic artificially create on PC (con)
  • 4K Blu-ray player (pro, kind of, even though I'd barely use it)

Buy a PS5 Digital
  • Highest price as I don't want to trade my backwards compatibility on Xbox for it (con)
  • Ugly (con, but can be improved by Dbrand Darkplates)
  • Access to my digital PS4 library (pro)
  • Access to PS5 timed exclusives (pro and a con, because I get to play them earlier, but I hate double dipping when things release on PC, plus I feel reluctant to buy timed exclusives on principle)

Chaos option: buy a PS4 Pro second hand
  • Access to my digital PS4 library (pro)
  • Have to play a lot of non-Steam games on Series S or PS4 Pro (aka not gonna look its best - con)
  • Have a Blu-ray player (pro)

Any thoughts?
 
C-Dub if you were Xbox only, upgrading would make sense, but sticking to series s and getting a ps5 would give the most options.

I upgraded from series s to x and don’t regret it but don’t really see much difference. But then again I always played on 1080p with VRR. 4K blueray will be nice once I start buying movies again.
 
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At the end of the day it really depends on what do you want to play. If you care about playing Sony games early, get a PS5. Otherwise, grab a Series X since you can keep your user profile and everything. A used PS4 Pro or a PS5 revision could be on the cards as well for your PS4 digital library.

Personally I love my Series X. Great console that doesn't look like a oversized router. Japanese games usually skip Xbox but I have Steam for them.
 
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In your specific situation, I would lean towards the PS5. I know you're not a fan of timed exclusives, but IIRC you like Final Fantasy and while XVI and 7 Rebirth will show up on Steam at some point, considering how Square Enix is, it may be a very long wait. One thing you might wish to consider is waiting to see what Sony's plans are for the PS5 slim. Rumors are it is being announced in September and will have an optional disc drive.
 
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In your specific situation, I would lean towards the PS5. I know you're not a fan of timed exclusives, but IIRC you like Final Fantasy and while XVI and 7 Rebirth will show up on Steam at some point, considering how Square Enix is, it may be a very long wait. One thing you might wish to consider is waiting to see what Sony's plans are for the PS5 slim. Rumors are it is being announced in September and will have an optional disc drive.
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The disc drive specifically doesn't interest me (I'm 100% digital), and somehow they've managed to make the slim uglier than the original. At least with the OG digital PS5 I can slap some Darkplates on it and it looks pretty good horizontally.

Thanks for the advice, everyone. I'm still quite conflicted. I think my main points of contention really are:

  • My objection to timed exclusives. I don't hate them on PlayStation as much as I do Epic, because at least Sony has a very good platform and network services.
  • Whether I want to get improved 360 games. Series S doesn't give so many enhancements to OG Xbox and 360 games, whereas the Series X can play them in 4K.

In an ironic twist, having a game on Series X/S or PS5 actually makes it easier to take on my Steam Deck thanks to remote play, rather than trying to sync cloud saves on EGS, which just goes to show how fuckin' terrible that whole service is.

If I got a PS5 I'd certainly be playing it more than the Series X, just on the basis that there'd be more exclusives. But at the same time, I really want to play them, including FF16 and 7Rebirth, on PC.

I'm in no rush for this. Other than wanting to play The Expanse, which I could very easily play on my Series S and probably have a damn good time.

Maybe I'll grab The Expanse on Series S then wait to see how Alan Wake II reviews before making a decision. Will probably have a bit more money in October to justify a big purchase anyway.

I guess looking at the games, here's what I'd probably get in the next 6-12 months:

Alan Wake II (Series X & PS5)
The Expanse (Series X & PS5)
Final Fantasy XVI (after sale, only on PS5 unless it comes to PC before it gets discounted)
Final Fantasy VII Rebirth (PS5)
Kingdom Hearts 1-3 and all the other nonsense (Series X & PS5)
Star Trek Resurgence (Series X & PS5)
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1 + 2 (Series X & PS5)
Gravity Rush 2 (PS5)

I also have a bunch of games that I'd like to get access to and/or have enhanced, including:

Lost Odyssey (Series X)
Dead or Alive 4 (Series X)
Splinter Cell 1-3 (Series X)
Tearaway Unfolded (PS5)
The Last of Us Part II (PS5)
The Last Guardian (PS5)
Gravity Rush Remastered (PS5)
 
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If you don't do those both you will end regreting.
You don't have to do both at the same time, maybe a good question is if you would have both and the game more or less look and run the same where would you get it?. The answer for that question could be what is your preferent option. Few time later get the other one.

I'm / was in similar position since for me PC or SteamDeck is only Steam -and old emulators- and I prefer to get Epic games on PS5/SeriesX more than on EGS Store and I have a lot of games on my Microsoft / PSN accounts (and Nintendo).

And Sakura Wars is still PS4 exclusive ;P.
 
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And Sakura Wars is still PS4 exclusive ;P.
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Front Mission 2 Remake Switch is October 5 !

 
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If you don't do those both you will end regreting.
You don't have to do both at the same time, maybe a good question is if you would have both and the game more or less look and run the same where would you get it?. The answer for that question could be what is your preferent option. Few time later get the other one.

I'm / was in similar position since for me PC or SteamDeck is only Steam -and old emulators- and I prefer to get Epic games on PS5/SeriesX more than on EGS Store and I have a lot of games on my Microsoft / PSN accounts (and Nintendo).

And Sakura Wars is still PS4 exclusive ;P.
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I definitely don’t want or need both. I play 95% of my games on PC - this is purely for those few games that slip through the cracks (aka EGS exclusives that I don’t want to wait for).

I‘m actually leaning towards not getting either for now. Got plenty to keep me busy over the next year, so I think I’ll just hold off on The Expanse and AWII until they release on a platform I’m interested in playing them on.
 
Where can you buy cheap codes for Nintendo e-shop? I despise the fact that their shop never had a sale for the stuff that I want.

I went to Offgamers, but they added an extra $0.55 for GST (lmao) :flare_lmao:
 
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I mean, I could just torrent it, but I'd like to contribute a little to nearly 9 million unit sales of Xenoblade Chronicles, so Takahashi can at least afford some instant ramen /s.
 
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I mean, I could just torrent it, but I'd like to contribute a little to nearly 9 million unit sales of Xenoblade Chronicles, so Takashi can at least afford some instant ramen /s.
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Don't tell me ! I'm resisting the urge to buy another Switch right now. It makes zero sense given the Switch 2 is pretty sure to drop next year, but this end of year is stacked. And I'm too old to find pleasure in pirating and sticking it to the man.
But fuuu, 300+ and games at a premium for an aging hardware, ok.

Well, the aging hardware isn't even the issue. The issue is that I will be there day one for Switch 2, so that makes a purchase of the first pretty dubious right now in 2023.
 
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This looks so much better than the New Super Mario Bros. titles. It's my most anticipated game right now.
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This is the next big thing for me. I like sidescroller Mario games way, WAY more than 3D ones. Managed to preorder it for 41€ which is probably the cheapest it's going to be for years.
 
The NSMB games were so kitsch. Super Mario Bros. Wonder looks like a much-needed refresh of 2D Mario.
 
The "New" line of games was kinda bland and bad, I'm not gonna lie. But it wasn't the only thing out there.

Despite the mismanagement of the "Maker" series, Super Mario Maker 2 has some of my most enjoyed levels in the saga. And there are tons of high quality NOT KAIZO levels and even full campaigns to download. Maybe they'll have a properly supported Super Mario Maker 3 for the "Switch 2". And Super Mario 3D World had some good levels too for an "hybrid" 2D/3D game.
 
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Playing Advance Wars Reboot on my Steam Deck and Im not feeling it, feels so basic and all, like many other indies and bigger games like Fire Emblem has done a better job with this genre. Just feeling bored and the art style and animations doesn't help either.
 
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A bunch of rumors about the Switch 2 being shown behind closed doors at Gamescom. Sounds like it'll be a more powerful than I had anticipated. I had expected something around the base PS4 but this looks like it might be closer to the Series S?
 
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If it's a final product, and not a devkit (and assuming all that it's true).
That reads as a considerable price increase, Which in turn makes me doubt that information.
 
I know I sounded like I was high on hopium when I made that post (I remember how the Wii was going to be as strong as the PS3 but was just a souped up GameCube), but Nintendo giving their next system a bit more juice would be great. Not that I really expect it as they haven't been in the hardware power race for over 20 years.

At the bare minimum I hope it matches Steam Deck specs, but something closer to Series S would be nice. Nintendo is likely more concerned about battery life compared to Valve which means the specs might be slightly worse to compensate.
 
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I know I sounded like I was high on hopium when I made that post (I remember how the Wii was going to be as strong as the PS3 but was just a souped up GameCube), but Nintendo giving their next system a bit more juice would be great. Not that I really expect it as they haven't been in the hardware power race for over 20 years.

At the bare minimum I hope it matches Steam Deck specs, but something closer to Series S would be nice. Nintendo is likely more concerned about battery life compared to Valve which means the specs might be slightly worse to compensate.
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Sorry didn't mean to make it seem like I was calling you out I was talking about the ones creating the rumors and leaks. We see it every console launch like when some of the media was trying to spread the BS that xbox one had a secret 2nd GPU in it lol.
 
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Sorry didn't mean to make it seem like I was calling you out I was talking about the ones creating the rumors and leaks. We see it every console launch like when some of the media was trying to spread the BS that xbox one had a secret 2nd GPU in it lol.
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The Xbox One derangement was on whole new level. I totally forgot about the second GPU.
 
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Will this be the day I buy yet another Switch ? Never. I repeat. Never. Hold my beer.
 
Yeah, I think I will pass. There is the obvious factor that only Nintendo games are sure fire exclusives, and as much as I love TTYD, you're cute but I want a new one, not a remaster (which people totally should play because it's amazing).
 
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You can tell Nintendo is reserving all the big hitters for the next console.

But still, very excited for the Princess Peach game. And all these Mario RPG remakes? I will take all of them, And I think their existence means new Mario RPG games are on the way.
 
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Very boring and uninteresting direct. Mainly dissapointed in no Unicorn Overlord for PC, so I either have to get it on my PS5 or emulate it so I can play it on my Deck. Peach game looked cool though.
 
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Another Code was the highlight for me.

Hoping we get both Kyle Hyde games next.
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I played the first game on DS and it was really good. One of the earliest DS games I played and that puzzle requiring to close and open the DS blew my mind.

Going to play this one on the Switch. And yeah, hoping for both Kyle Hyde games as well, although I have already finished them before.
 
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I said no, but I still have my local store switch page open.
I take absolutely no pleasure in 'emulation'. But fu fu fu, 300+ will be 300 less... thonking
 
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sk2k said:
HELP! I can not decide which console i should choose. :( PS5 or XBOX Series X.

Any pointers from console users?
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Depends where your friends are! For me most of my friends are on xbox or on PC but using game pass so any online gaming can be done. And yeah game pass is huge draw for me, since I would be able to buy all the games I want to play not having to worry about that is nice, even if I don't own the games in the end.
 
sk2k said:
HELP! I can not decide which console i should choose. :( PS5 or XBOX Series X.

Any pointers from console users?
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Which console do you have more legacy games? (one or PS4) - choose that since you can continue playing on them.
Do you like console japanese niche (for western audience) games (fate, falcom games, games like the recent announced The Legend of Legacy HD Remastered, etc...) -> choose Swi... I mean PS5
You prefer Dualshock or XBOX controller? -> choose that
Do you like Bethesda and Activision games? -> choose XBOX
Do you enjoy to play on PC and your PC is good enough but still need a console? -> Choose PS5
Both consoles are similar on graphic terms, there're some multi games look better on Series X and some others on PS5 -there're more that look better on Series X-
Will you use GamePass? - Choose XBOX
I sold my Switch and Series X once keeping my PS5, but I've bought them again (I usually play more on PS5).
 
sk2k said:
HELP! I can not decide which console i should choose. :( PS5 or XBOX Series X.

Any pointers from console users?
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If you play on PC there is little reason to have a xbox. Yes sony games are also going to PC but at a drip feed pace and there's no pattern for what will show up so you can probably get some use out of a ps5. Also the games they moneyhat tend to be console exclusive for a while too (like FF).
 
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Which console do you have more legacy games? (one or PS4) - choose that since you can continue playing on them.
Do you like console japanese niche (for western audience) games (fate, falcom games, games like the recent announced The Legend of Legacy HD Remastered, etc...) -> choose Swi... I mean PS5
You prefer Dualshock or XBOX controller? -> choose that
Do you like Bethesda and Activision games? -> choose XBOX
Do you enjoy to play on PC and your PC is good enough but still need a console? -> Choose PS5
Both consoles are similar on graphic terms, there're some multi games look better on Series X and some others on PS5 -there're more that look better on Series X-
Will you use GamePass? - Choose XBOX
I sold my Switch and Series X once keeping my PS5, but I've bought them again (I usually play more on PS5).
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My PC is crap. i5 6500 + GTX1070 and i refuse to buy a new PC or build a new one. Currently i have Gamepass Ultimate.

My gaming habits have also changed over the last years. I play more indie than "AAA" games. But even for newer indies my PC is not up-to-date. :(

I only owned a PS2 and have never bought another console after the PS2.

EDIT: Since i also like games from Bethesda, the natural choice would probably be an xbox, right?
 
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My PC is crap. i5 6500 + GTX1070 and i refuse to buy a new PC or build a new one. Currently i have Gamepass Ultimate.

My gaming habits have also changed over the last years. I play more indie than "AAA" games. But even for newer indies my PC is not up-to-date. :(

I only owned a PS2 and have never bought another console after the PS2.

EDIT: Since i also like games from Bethesda, the natural choice would probably be an xbox, right?
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Yep, seems your better option is XBOX.
Other than that imo XBOX is not the better option for indies but it's for the people who wants western-oriented PC-esque games, it's pretty well balanced and if you have GamePass Ultimate is a must. It's a great console, you won't regret.
(And there're some very nice exclusives from Original XBOX and 360, like Conker, Ninja Gaiden 1 and 2, Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon or Inifine Undiscovery you can play on Series).
 
To add to what other people said, it seems you already have Game Pass Ultimate. If you're not really into their first-party games, then I don't think it's worth getting PS5. You won't have many necessary features like cloud saves or online multiplayer without paying ANOTHER subscription which coincidentally had a price hike recently. Also, another little thing that may not be important to you but is worth noting, is that PS5 isn't all that quiet. It will be quiet in nondemanding games, but in games like Horizon Forbidden West my console sounded like it was making loud scratching noises, but it's just how it sounds under load. Xbox Series X for example is whisper-quiet in all scenarios. It's really impressively built. And one more personal thing - I dislike the PS5 looks. It's just a really ugly console, there is no other way to put it. I hate it and I hate how they continue to make a line of accessories to go along with this look. I have a PS5 and I think I made a mistake. I played a few Sony games, but for the rest of the year, it just collected dust and my subscription expired. I don't really like the controller and I had constant issues with the console, like it would reboot when I wanted to wake it up from sleep.
 
Huh, I didn't know Ultima Underworld was on PlayStation. Apparently Japanese exclusive but it now has an English patch. I wonder if it's neater/easier to play than the PC game if they crammed it all on a gamepad. Or if it's just shit/buggy/whatever. It looks pretty nice and smooth even with the eh new 3D models.
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Ultima Underworld

After almost 27 years of being inaccessible to the west, the PSX port of Ultima Underworld has now
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Different cinematics
Creature models are in 3D
Anime portraits
Full screen 3D display
Control scheme for console controller
No typing, all spells, mantras, replies can be selected by a menu
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Maybe this is the way to finally play through it instead of waiting for those Unity or whatever engine fan imports/remasters/whatever to get good/finalized.
 
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