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Looking at that map, it looks like it could be a tedious/difficult dungeon - but at least I assume it does not have a dungeon that was literally time gated :face-with-tears-of-joy:. Finally out of that awful Sloth dungeon.

Next is SMT2 and then Strange Journey as the current plan :blobnerd:
 
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Ohhhh, there is a secret boss in Blue Reflection. Finally a challenge in this game.

Edit: Beaten. Not much a challenge honestly lol. Died once to understand how it move, made better preparation and now it is dead.
 
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I was getting lost in the Domain of Envy, stupid dungeon turned off the computer so you couldn't open the map. And the automapping doesn't mark teleporters. So I had to resort to old map making on two of the floors :blobnerd:



The greyish areas are dark rooms? Theres no natural wall indicators for them. Quick and dirty, all the icons are just different ways I could mark which teleporters were which. I even stumbled into a sword that seems OP :face-with-tears-of-joy:. All because I had not taken a guardian yet - because I was not 100% sure on how the system functioned. What luck!
 
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I was getting lost in the Domain of Envy, stupid dungeon turned off the computer so you couldn't open the map. And the automapping doesn't mark teleporters. So I had to resort to old map making on two of the floors :blobnerd:



The greyish areas are dark rooms? Theres no natural wall indicators for them. Quick and dirty, all the icons are just different ways I could mark which teleporters were which. I even stumbled into a sword that seems OP :face-with-tears-of-joy:. All because I had not taken a guardian yet - because I was not 100% sure on how the system functioned. What luck!
Getting through the Domain of Envy has prepared you somewhat for the dungeons in Strange Journey. :p
 

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Getting through the Domain of Envy has prepared you somewhat for the dungeons in Strange Journey. :p
I’ve played Wizardry IV, the definition of agony. I’m already prepared:dmcblob:

Slightly related tangent:
While I do enjoy the time-saver that is automapping in some remasters or via modding, it can completely negate the challenge some of these older games provide. Just for an example, the following map from Bard’s Tale 2:




All the X icons are spinner traps. With the automapping feature in the remaster, they are completely irrelevant. I also think later in this dungeon are spinner traps on anti-magic zones, so no compass spell! But that also does not matter with their automapper.

The nospin ring in Bard’s Tale is your best friend if you find one.

Edit: I’m remembering why I found Bard’s Tale 2 a nightmare again just looking at these maps.



Spinner traps in a dark room on an anti magic zone and a song silencer. How sadistic.:face-with-tears-of-joy:
 
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Haha yeah, I think the difficulty of the SJ maps is overstated. It’s par for the course with the older Wizardry, Bard‘s Tale, etc. series. And the toughest entries in those are way above it.
 

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I decided to test out the PS1 remakes of the Wizardry games today.

Booted them up, then had to Google how to turn the game to English as the menus are in Japanese. I kind of like the updated visuals.



Only problem is I have not played these games in over a well over decade or two, and all the descriptions are in Japanese - so a bit of trial in error in what the spells do - or just google. I was planning to do a run through of 1-5 this year, and after messing around in these remakes for a bit, I might do it via these. The games seem to be the exact same mechanically, just some nice visual updates.

I say a "run through" of 1-5, but 4 will probably end with me giving up me as is my tradition.

I was alt tabbed while writing this and the stupid ghost killed me - I completely forgot about that. :face-with-tears-of-joy: I made it to the second floor which is good enough for me during a test run

:frogreview:
 

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I have been playing a bit of Vaporum which is my first "real" dungeon crawler if you don't count SMT4 and P4G (or interpret Souls games as a form of dungeon crawlers). Really liking it though my coordination is not there yet for the combat encounters. Probably also missed some secrets in the first section.

Might be a genre that I enjoy. Inspired by Gizmo I might do my dive into the SMT series earlier than thought and maybe I will dip my toes into the M&M: World of Xeen. Also been meaning to play the Legend of Grimrock games for quite some time now.

Any other recommendations for a newbie to the genre?
 
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If you're enjoying the real-time ones like Vaporum, you'll definitely like the Legend of Grimrock games, (they're great but you already mentioned them).

Going back a bit further with that type there's the Eye of the Beholder series. Helps to be familiar with the D&D rules, but it's still more accessible than the granddaddy of the Genre, Dugeon Master.

There's also Lands of Lore, which was the same dev team as EotB after they left SSI


And I'm all for everyone playing Xeen :) Once I go through that again, I'll probably replay Might and Magic 6 through 8, which you can switch between real-time or turn-based modes.
 
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If you're enjoying the real-time ones like Vaporum, you'll definitely like the Legend of Grimrock games, (they're great but you already mentioned them).

Going back a bit further with that type there's the Eye of the Beholder series. Helps to be familiar with the D&D rules, but it's still more accessible than the granddaddy of the Genre, Dugeon Master.

There's also Lands of Lore, which was the same dev team as EotB after they left SSI


And I'm all for everyone playing Xeen :) Once I go through that again, I'll probably replay Might and Magic 6 through 8, which you can switch between real-time or turn-based modes.
I would be interested in more real-time ones down the line but I think I would be more interested in turnbased ones first
 

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Well the most recentl one I finished was Wizardry 7... don't think I would recommend it to those not already deep in the series. (Or just willing to play step by step with a guide, like I did. The game is half of an old point-and-click adventure too, where you have to have random item A and use it in random spot B all the way on the other side of the world. And the world is enormous.)

But these are the Japanese Wizardry-likes I'm meaning to play at some point soon:





And more loosely based:


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Also there's Bard Tale 4, and the older Bard's Tale games Remastered (the remasters do a lot for QoL improvments)


 

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Grid Cartographer is on sale, has anyone here used it? Is it the best program out there?
 
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Grid Cartographer is great. The Might & Magic maps I posted earlier used it.

I don't believe there is anything out there as good for manual mapping. There are some other utilities out there (usually game or series specific) that implement auto-mapping, or just provide you with the whole completed map, but that's different than what Grid Cartographer is. The game link feature is also nice (Keeps track of your in-game position and automatically switches to the correct map when you move to different areas. There is a list of supported games.).
 
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Excel!

This reminds me, I really need to return to Bard's Tale 1. Left it behind in mid-April. I should be able to return around August as I have already planned my gaming time in July.
 

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Grid Cartographer is great. The Might & Magic maps I posted earlier used it.

I don't believe there is anything out there as good for manual mapping. There are some other utilities out there (usually game or series specific) that implement auto-mapping, or just provide you with the whole completed map, but that's different than what Grid Cartographer is. The game link feature is also nice (Keeps track of your in-game position and automatically switches to the correct map when you move to different areas. There is a list of supported games.).
That game link feature sounds pretty amazing :blobnerd:. Might have to cave
 
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Downunder.
This book might be of interest to us here. Seems like a great coffee table book. It's nice of them to give eroge a nod too.

 
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This book might be of interest to us here. Seems like a great coffee table book. It's nice of them to give eroge a nod too.
I picked up a copy myself. They also published the CRPG Book, which was excellent.
 
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