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Are launcher/client overlays decreasing game performance a bit? Like when I launch WD2 I have the Steam overlay, the uPlay overlay and the nVidia stuff is running as well.

Sadly the Steam overlay does not support capturing or else I would only use that.
As long as it's not doing anything it really shouldn't affect performance (beyond some minor memory usage).
 

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i get you are all feeling strong about it , i just wish people were so diligent about boycotint companies that do some real shit or have nasty history (like Fanta, Siemens or adidas) and not just byocotting work of developers that have litle to do with the two PR dudes that were for few minuts posting on vile forum , sure its really bad look , but hey lets all buy next slotmachines for kids game for our kids , lets all dring the drink that was created for the WW2 nazis and sportswear by nazi fashion creator ... all hunky dory

itt justs feel bit pretentious to me , but hey your mileage may vary


yep Tim's best bro , the magician Randy is totally against it
The guy who founded adidas is dead anyway. So is the people who invented Fanta.

And for me, the 'but the devs!' argument doesnt work because the people involved very clearly dont care about them either, why should I?
 

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It's a extremely lazy and nonsensical argument. Yes I will skip on THQ games unless there's a way of not giving them any money. Miss me with that dumb capitalistic garbage that "oh you can't boycott such and such company because there's people depending on the work they provide". With that dumb argument you could excuse any company for any thing whatsoever.
 

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And for me, the 'but the devs!' argument doesnt work because the people involved very clearly dont care about them either, why should I?
Ok i dont follow

So going by this if CEOs and PR peeps are fuckheads (most of them must be sociopaths to do such work) lets fuck and boycott everyone below them? Do you even have a single company ti support (even outside of games )?

Tbh for me its much worse to see company skinning their workers fo faster releas than two dudes posting at vile places.

Also if you boycott them so passionatelly (for such ultimately irrelevant thing as games) why is there the need to derail threads with useless fuck them messages...
I guess i dont get it and view it as pretencious and picky compared to much worse cases inside and outside this industry.
Yeah i get it you fell strong about it and yest fuck R. Police and that other guy and yeah boycott it all you want,there is just no need for game's thread to have dozens of such offtopic"fuck you" spam
 
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Ok i dont follow

So going by this if CEOs and PR peeps are fuckheads (most of them must be sociopaths to do such work) lets fuck and boycott everyone below them? Do you even have a single company ti support (even outside of games )?

Tbh for me its much worse to see company skinning their workers fo faster releas than two dudes posting at vile places.

Also if you boycott them so passionatelly (for such ultimately irrelevant thing as games) why is there the need to derail threads with useless fuck them messages...
I guess i dont get it and view it as pretencious and picky compared to much worse cases inside and outside this industry.
Yeah i get it you fell strong about it and yest fuck R. Police and that other guy and yeah boycott it all you want,there is just no need for game's thread to have dozens of such offtopic"fuck you" spam
Saying 'fuck THQ' IS pretty much on topic, since they're the ones publishing the game.

Videogames are such a non essential thing to life, not buying games is the 'neutral' state for me. I'm just choosing to not buying this one for a very particular reason. The day the guys involved in this fiasco resign from the company, I'll gladly give them by business again, provided that the next guys arent assholes, too.
 

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NarohDethan so by that logic the rumoured Darksiders game whis is rumoured to be pretty much outsourced to outside the company is off the charts aswell (because its their IP) ?? How about stuff thats only published by them on consoles?? How about R* games and human conditions theere? How about the DQ11 modded soundtrack by warcrime denier?? What about the glorious Randy? What about Destructive Creations?What about Tim and Sergey? ,..... (just curious where the line is)

you are free to boycott all you want there is just no need ,tbh i even kinda envy your enthusiasm to tell everyone about the boycot ... as long as you dont try to picture me as evil for not giving a fuck about some cases and giving a fuck about other cases

oook lets back to games
 
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NarohDethan so by that logic the rumoured Darksiders game whis is rumoured to be pretty much outsourced to outside the company is off the charts aswell (because its their IP) ?? How about stuff thats only published by them on consoles?? How about R* games and human conditions theere? How about the DQ11 modded soundtrack by warcrime denier?? What about the glorious Randy? What about Destructive Creations?What about Tim and Sergey? ,..... (just curious where the line is)

you are free to boycott all you want there is just no need ,tbh i even kinda envy your enthusiasm to tell everyone about the boycot ... as long as you dont try to picture me as evil for not giving a fuck about some cases and giving a fuck about other cases

oook lets back to games
Well, I havent bought RDR2 precisely because Rockstar kinda sucks, same as Netherrealm and MK11. I wont buy DQ11 or other DQ games until that Sugiyama cunt dies, and I dont care much about Darksiders so I guess I'm the clear!

And nobody is shaming anybody, I just made a simple request, it is up to you if you want to take it or not.
 

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Wait, am I missing something? What is the dirt on Tim Sweeney and the Steamspy guy? I mean, I don't support their "vision" for the future of PC gaming, but have they also done something horrible like condoning nazis and pedophiles?
 

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I've noticed there's no mention of Deep Silver on the GoG store page for Kingdom Come. Is this version self-publisher by the devs? The only reason why I haven't bought this game yet is because I don't want to give Deep Silver my money after the Metro Exodus exclusivity deal...
Well, the GOG page says that it's self-published, but the studio is a part of THQ now and Vavra is a known prick all on his own. I bought it because I wanted to try it for almost a year, it seems to be different from everything else on the market and I didn't want to punish other people who worked on the game for the actions of one edgy, dumb wanker.
 
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Guys, no need to get worked up. ;)
Obviously, everyone has different opinions, but at the end of the day, each of us knows what they want do do with their money, and I don't believe anyone is telling anyone else what they should do (or not) with their money.
Some people will boycott games or companies for whatever reason, and we just have to accept that. The same way those people have to respect those who do otherwise.

I know it can be a bit tiring for some to keep hearing "I'm not buying games from "x" company" numerous times (I'm guilty of that myself, when I keep mentioning how I won't ever touch anything on the Epic Games Store), but as you may understand, it's just some fellow forum members "venting" a bit.

I don't think companies like THQ, or Epic, or anyone else, are "worthy" of getting us all arguing with one another about them. :giggle:

Wait, am I missing something? What is the dirt on Tim Sweeney and the Steamspy guy? I mean, I don't support their "vision" for the future of PC gaming, but have they also done something horrible like condoning nazis and pedophiles?
I believe the poster was mentioning how Tim has no problems dealing with Randy Pitchford, who once lost a USB pen full of legal documents, and porn.
According to a lawsuit by a former associate, it was underage porn. Randy says it was "barely legal" porn.

Here's one of the many articles covering this.
 
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Wait, am I missing something? What is the dirt on Tim Sweeney and the Steamspy guy? I mean, I don't support their "vision" for the future of PC gaming, but have they also done something horrible like condoning nazis and pedophiles?
Tim Sweeney got very upset when Twitter kicked out Alex Jones and it's in general not hard to figure out where he stands politically. There's also the whole crunch thing while pretending he cares so much about gamedevs getting a bigger cut. Certainly not Nazi-level evil but neither Tim nor Sergey strike me as folks who give one single fart about ethics and other human beings beyond milking them.
 
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I believe the poster was mentioning how Tim has no problems dealing with Randy Pitchford, who once lost a USB pen full of legal documents, and porn.
According to a lawsuit by a former associate, it was underage porn. Randy says it was "barely legal" porn.

Here's one of the many articles covering this.
Tim Sweeney got very upset when Twitter kicked out Alex Jones and it's not hard to figure out where he stands politically.
Ahhh, I see now, thank you both! :)
 
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I'm hardly patriotic :p
hence my emote afterwards :p lol

But I do tend to try to get games made in Portugal at release. Our Dev scene is really small and our governments offer little to nothing to improve it, so I l
yeah, definitely not a bad thing to do :)

i mostly like them because they make awesome plugins for Unity :p speaking of which - that's a Unity game :)
 
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i get you are all feeling strong about it , i just wish people were so diligent about boycotint companies that do some real shit or have nasty history (like Fanta, Siemens or adidas) and not just byocotting work of developers that have litle to do with the two PR dudes that were for few minuts posting on vile forum , sure its really bad look , but hey lets all buy next slotmachines for kids game for our kids , lets all dring the drink that was created for the WW2 nazis and sportswear by nazi fashion creator ... all hunky dory

itt justs feel bit pretentious to me , but hey your mileage may vary


yep Tim's best bro , the magician Randy is totally against it
I mean... why would you assume the one company specifically called out is the only one being boycotted? It was an appropriate namedrop in context, in response to a post about that very company doing something. There also is no need to have a specific "line" because life is hardly as simple as that. I will never, ever, ever shop at Walmart again but there are people who have no real choice but to shop there - I don't condemn them for it, but I will not support them. I use Google Fiber but go out of my way to block Google from making money off me in my day-to-day internet activity, because with my work and my life I have limited options to completely avoid them (plus Google Fiber, despite being part of Google, blows every single other ISP out of the water for quality and consumer friendliness). That's an example of a single company that is known for shady stuff having an actual legitimately great offering. It's also incredibly unlikely that there's much corporate crossover between their Fiber division and their various sketchy activities, or even their office culture out in Cali.

The THQ problem is not just that it was "some PR person", it was high ups, it was multiple people involved, and it was a clearly problematic site. I also don't hold past transgressions against a company or person if they've shown an attempt to improve, but this was a very recent event and they were basically refusing to admit any fault, so that is as condemning as it gets really. In some years when those people no longer work at THQ, I'd be happy to re-evaluate them, just as if R* starts treating employees like humans I'd consider maybe buying one of their games again.

It's up to everyone to determine what they can and can't tolerate, I'm an advocate for tolerating way less than we do right now because there is legitimately no reason for a lot of the pain and suffering in the world (this is broader than THQ AMA on a forum that promotes child abuse) and companies / businesses have largely turned it into an us vs. them thing, so let them understand that there's a lot of us and they don't exist without us, either. But there's a lot of people in the world and everyone has different standards and are in different places in their lives and are presented with different choices, so those that just mind their own business (even if that goes against their own best interest, long-term) are welcome to do it.
 

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i get you are all feeling strong about it , i just wish people were so diligent about boycotint companies that do some real shit or have nasty history (like Fanta, Siemens or adidas) and not just byocotting work of developers that have litle to do with the two PR dudes that were for few minuts posting on vile forum , sure its really bad look , but hey lets all buy next slotmachines for kids game for our kids , lets all dring the drink that was created for the WW2 nazis and sportswear by nazi fashion creator ... all hunky dory

itt justs feel bit pretentious to me , but hey your mileage may vary

yep Tim's best bro , the magician Randy is totally against it
Eh, I'm not gonna police what people should feel angry or not about. Everyone has their reasons to boycott or do business with a company, so to each their own. Besides, a single consumer won't accomplish anything, so it's easy to see how one may go "The damage is already done by the company, and nothing good will come from me skipping this product so I'd rather not punish myself".

It's a extremely lazy and nonsensical argument. Yes I will skip on THQ games unless there's a way of not giving them any money. Miss me with that dumb capitalistic garbage that "oh you can't boycott such and such company because there's people depending on the work they provide". With that dumb argument you could excuse any company for any thing whatsoever.
Yeah, as far as I know there's this thing called "voting with one's wallet", which is encouraged hard under capitalism. You can't support both the "Companies will do shitty things because capitalism, if you don't like it don't do business with them" and "It doesn't matter what you believe, consume either way or you'll be hurting those companies' employees" arguments at the same time, because choice is supposed to be a fundamental part of capitalism and the free market (unless you mean to say this only applies to corporations, and fuck consumers, they are morally obligated to consume no matter what).
 
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Really? I'm pretty sure lots of games have done that in the past.

They opened the store without early access tag, but leading up to release.. boom, early access.
i don't think so ... you can only do it the other way - go from ea to full release
 

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i don't think so ... you can only do it the other way - go from ea to full release
One game that I clearly remember is Hellsign. I was so looking forward to that, but close to release they suddenly announced that it's going for early access instead.

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I'm quite sure of it because I never put early access titles on my wishlist, I always put them on my followed list. But looking at my followed list right now, I noticed a few games that were used to be on my whistlist. I usually switch games from my whistlist to followed list as soon as they're announced as early access title instead of full release.
 
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One game that I clearly remember is Hellsign. I was so looking forward to that, but close to release they suddenly announced that it's going for early access instead.

Steam Community :: HellSign

I'm quite sure of it because I never put early access titles on my wishlist, I always put them on my followed list. But looking at my followed list right now, I noticed a few games that were used to be on my whistlist. I usually switch games from my whistlist to followed list as soon as they're announced as early access title instead of full release.
hmmm ... maybe they asked volvo to change it then ... because there definitely is no option to do that in the backend
 

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hmmm ... maybe they asked volvo to change it then ... because there definitely is no option to do that in the backend
Maybe. The most common thing is that they don't have exact release date and not available for purchase yet. The latter is the most important factor. A game can go for early access anytime as long as they're not purchasable (no pre-order).
 
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Maybe. The most common thing is that they don't have exact release date and not available for purchase yet. The latter is the most important factor. A game can go for early access anytime as long as they're not purchasable (no pre-order).
that might be it ... possibly
 
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i just read the "changelog" and it looks like DX11 is "highly experimental" and they're mostly trying to get it "on par with DX9 before we start adding new features" ... so it's gonna be a looooong while before we see any actual improvements :suicide-blob:
 

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Unruly Heroes is on sale:


How is it? Money's a bit short at the moment, but this was one of the games I was waiting to go on sale.
 
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A Darksiders game in the same vein as Battle Casers: Nightwar would be so dope. I hope the rumors are true.
yep , really enjoyed what i played from battle chasers, could be fine spinoff

I'm an advocate for tolerating way less than we do right now because there is legitimately no reason for a lot of the pain and suffering in the world (this is broader than THQ AMA on a forum that promotes child abuse) and companies / businesses have largely turned it into an us vs. them thing, so let them understand that there's a lot of us and they don't exist without us, either.
Could be me being paranoid fuck ,who trust noone and assumes everyones is a prick by default , I think If went the bolded way globally i would probably never really buy anything and go live as a forest person as i am crazy overthinker.

( For example after all the indipocalypse whining i kinda stopped buying games completely for a while as i didnt want to support the whiningg - took me few days AFK and less time spent on twatter , i just get what i find cool )

And overall i kinda reached the point where i value product by the product itself and not by other factors related to the product ... my life is sooo "roses and butterfiles" as it is right now... that i just dont want to waste my life away by thinking and researching what evil is hidden behind products i consume.

These days i just go by with the lets do what you like , consume what you enjoy and dont trust anyone.

PS: Humanity doesnt deserve to live anyway so let the world burn the meantime
 
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