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Durante

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Durante if it's not too much trouble I want to ask something that I brought up over at the discord in regards to 30 FPS;
I played Crash Team Racing NF recently and before that the original PAL game, and their frame rates were smooth. Thing is some games I played such as Hyper Light Drifter looked annoying in 30 FPS, as if dragging one's feet through mud when it came to the presentation.

So how is it that 30 FPS games are able to output such a smooth visual? Is it a combination of frame pacing and triple buffering? If so, or not, could you provide your input on this please?
I think it's a combination of many factors. Frame pacing is obviously very important, but also the type of controls, what type of motion is present, how much input lag there is, etc.
I.e. even with perfect framepacing a FPS played with a mouse will always feel off at 30 FPS, but a third person game controlled with a gamepad and with good motion blur might not be nearly as bad.

Also, there absolutely is an aspect of getting used to some type of presentation. If I play a game that runs at a locked 100 FPS/Hz for a while and then switch to something at 30 it will seem horrible, but if I spent a few hours playing it it might not be as bad anymore.
 

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Fuck yes more anime for this anime thread

My mouse just started double-clicking non-stop. Here's hoping that Logitech RMA hasn't changed a bit since last time I used it.
I had to replace my mouse a month ago because of this. Was so frustrating :mad:
Delicious! Remake when Konami? I'll even settle for a port thanks.
That's what I wrote in the post you quoted :p

My first play through of P3FES took me 42 hours and P4G took me 36 (according to the save screen). The dungeons are incredibly easy to shotgun. I didn't skip dialogue and I had multiple social links maxed out. I played both on Normal. Persona 5 took me 102 hours.

I even went and checked and there are a ton of people saying they finished P4G in 35-40 hours.
I made a ton of progress in P4G when I played it years ago without actually finishing it and my play time was definitely way over 40 hours. Actually I just dusted off my Vita and fired it up just to check, and it specifically took me 61 hrs 8 m to get to 11/22, which is right after
rescuing Nanako chan from that Heaven like dungeon
I've also been told that this is about what it takes to get to that point in the game more or less. Then again I'm also a very slow and deliberate player. I simply enjoy taking my sweet ass time whenever I play a game so what do I know :LOL:
 

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Having played Mario Kart 8D on Switch, I'd say Team Sonic Racing falls in a similar position to it in terms of content; while TSR has lesser characters and tracks than Mario Kart 8D, their approach to gameplay or modes feels similar to me.

Crash Team Racing NF has them beat in terms of gameplay and mechanic IMO. The best example for this is in the Tiny Arena track in CTR NF, the stage allows for a lot of drifting for turbos and jumps thanks to its many hills throughout it and you are constantly trying to land turbos from jumps or drifts. It just comes off more engaging esp. if you try to do it in various other tracks.

All in all I enjoy all of the 3 that I've played but to me CTR NF is one step above either of them.
 

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I just noticed there's a daily deal on FMV collections.
Those who enjoy the genre should take a look into these:



 

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I think it's a combination of many factors. Frame pacing is obviously very important, but also the type of controls, what type of motion is present, how much input lag there is, etc.
I.e. even with perfect framepacing a FPS played with a mouse will always feel off at 30 FPS, but a third person game controlled with a gamepad and with good motion blur might not be nearly as bad.

Also, there absolutely is an aspect of getting used to some type of presentation. If I play a game that runs at a locked 100 FPS/Hz for a while and then switch to something at 30 it will seem horrible, but if I spent a few hours playing it it might not be as bad anymore.
Interesting thanks. I guess my eyes just managed to adjust if the performance of a game isn't too restraint by FPS.
 
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My computer just shut itself down while playing Just Cause 3... I immediately restarted it, reached the desktop before it shut itself down again.

Makes me think Just Cause 3 caused my computer to overheat. Hard to explain why it shut itself down again after rebooting otherwise.
Maybe it has something to do with Just Cause 3 complaining that I have too little system memory.... 8 GB is really not enough anymore!
 

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Interesting thanks. I guess my eyes just managed to adjust if the performance of a game isn't too restraint by FPS.
I have another theory as well that it can depend on the direction of movement on screen. I remember really struggling with playing HLD which by its nature have a lot of camera movement side to side which makes me feel unwell. In CTR movement is mostly toward the camera which doesn't strain the eyes so much. The camera in HLD moves around a lot and I'm pretty sure the game wouldn't feel so bad in 30 fps if the camera was stationary instead.

This often happens to me when watching movies and there are a lot of panning shots moving across the screen, while it's fine most of the time. I remember the introduction shots for the 2014 Godzilla movie being really hard for me.
 
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... and yet - Jenks still not on sale :negative-blob:

Yeah, it's weird. Glad I got it in that early bundle it was in. Buying pretty much every bundle pays off occasionally.

I'm running out of steam when it comes to Borderlands 2. Made it to the 3rd DLC, at least this one is more level appropriate, but some of the bullet sinks are boring me.
 

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My computer just shut itself down while playing Just Cause 3... I immediately restarted it, reached the desktop before it shut itself down again.

Makes me think Just Cause 3 caused my computer to overheat. Hard to explain why it shut itself down again after rebooting otherwise.
Maybe it has something to do with Just Cause 3 complaining that I have too little system memory.... 8 GB is really not enough anymore!
Heh you remind me of my cousin trying to play Akrham Knight on his potato laptop. It has like 4 GB RAM and the poor thing shuts down.

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you do have a point ...
Could've sworn it was on sale on Humblebundle.com at least a few years ago. Still grab it off humble to make back some store credit.
I have another theory as well that it can depend on the direction of movement on screen. I remember really struggling with playing HLD which by its nature have a lot of camera movement side to side which makes me feel unwell. In CTR movement is mostly toward the camera which doesn't strain the eyes so much. The camera in HLD moves around a lot and I'm pretty sure the game wouldn't feel so bad in 30 fps if the camera was stationary instead.

This often happens to me when watching movies and there are a lot of panning shots moving across the screen, while it's fine most of the time. I remember the introduction shots for the 2014 Godzilla movie being really hard for me.
Yeah that may be it, the camera doesn't rotate in CTR and just follows you where you drive always behind you.
 
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Could've sworn it was on sale on Humblebundle.com at least a few years ago. Still grab it off humble to make back some store credit.
yeah, i'm pretty sure it was

but as far as steam sales go:



(and it was in a bundle only once ... Fanatical ... in 2015)
 

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Fate autochess please!
In Fate/Zero Gilgamesh is often seen playing with a chessboard at the Church while drinking Kotomine's wine. The chessboard has pieces representing each Class of servant, and some pawns. I feel like with the addition of Ruler, Avenger, and Foreigner you could actually have an interesting game of chess with Fate pieces.

... Type-Moon should look into it as a collectors item of sorts lol.
 
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Heh you remind me of my cousin trying to play Akrham Knight on his potato laptop. It has like 4 GB RAM and the poor thing shuts down.
Hey, in my defense, the minimum requirements for RAM is 8GB, I have no idea why the game claims I do not meet the requirements. Saw on the net domeone saying it takes about 12GB to run Just Cause 3. Well then, why is that not the minimum requirements?
 
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Hey, in my defense, the minimum requirements for RAM is 8GB, I have no idea why the game claims I do not meet the requirements. Saw on the net domeone saying it takes about 12GB to run Just Cause 3. Well then, why is that not the minimum requirements?
well, maybe 8 gigs is enough for minimum ie 800x600 & ultra low textures? ;)
(neveer played jc3)
 

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Hey, in my defense, the minimum requirements for RAM is 8GB, I have no idea why the game claims I do not meet the requirements. Saw on the net domeone saying it takes about 12GB to run Just Cause 3. Well then, why is that not the minimum requirements?
Have you by any chance turned off your swap file? It's generally a horrendously bad idea but will also lead to games/programs crashing that need more, even if only for a short while.
 

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Have you by any chance turned off your swap file? It's generally a horrendously bad idea but will also lead to games/programs crashing that need more, even if only for a short while.
Not to my knowledge, unless that's something that happens automatically when installing an SSD (since I read swap files are really bad for SSDs...)
 

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Not to my knowledge, unless that's something that happens automatically when installing an SSD (since I read swap files are really bad for SSDs...)
No, doesn't happen automatically and no they aren't because Windows nowadays scales them down as much as possible and rarely uses them. But when they are needed and aren't there .... boom. Having said that your problem could just be JC3/4's shoddy programming. Still, 16GB have become a must-have for gaming PCs and prices are dropping and dropping with new lows expected throughout the rest of the year, this fall should be a great time to upgrade.
 
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seems like Eitr is still alive despite website being down
Main website is down. :: EITR General Discussions
We've put up a still image for the website for now, just so we don't keep on getting "website down" posts. Right now we don't feel that our website is priority so it keeps on getting shifted to the side, it would have been better to have a site manager / developer to keep the site intact, but hey mistakes were made lol.

Secondly you are quite right, we showed the game way to early, the amount of times the game has gone through drastic changes is roughly about 5 (maybe more) times now during the development, that applies to art / design / maps etc.

We don't feel that there really is any point showing gifs / screenshots of the game at the moment, that was also an early mistake, and one we do not want to make again. Info on the game will be coming, you have to understand that we're pretty particular about what we post on our twitter, if it doesn't reach a certain standard, it doesn't get shown lol.

Either way I understand all your frustration, silence is always painful, however when we do have things to show we definitely won't hesitate to start rolling things out again!
 

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So, I've been thinking about my RAM situation. Checking up on the QVL of RAM for my ancient mobo pretty much shows me a lot of RAM memories that are no longer available for sale.
I also noticed that the current 8 GB stick I have is not on the QVL either, but it has worked without any apparent issue since about 2013...
And I also noticed that that particular stick is still being sold quite cheaply...

So, potentially, what is a better course of action:
1. Buying another old-as-dirt RAM to have 2 exact same 8GB sticks
2. Trying to find a 2x8 16GB pair, that is most certainly not on the QVL either...

I'm not quite ready yet to scrap this computer, even though I know that I need to do so eventually, since the mobo is ancient by today's standards.
 
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My mouse just started double-clicking non-stop. Here's hoping that Logitech RMA hasn't changed a bit since last time I used it.
My Logitech had the same problem, it was fixed in Windows 10 1903.

1903 also fixed a bluray burner bug, If I tried to burn a disc without reading a regular disc first the burned disc was guaranteed to be a coaster.
 
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Speaking about summer, iirc they said Digimon Survive news were coming in Summer.
Give me that release date now Namco!
After they grant your wish for Digimon, I wish they would grant mine for the Girls und Panzer game on PC.

... somehow I feel like licensing is a big factor though. :face-with-cold-sweat: Although it did get an enhanced Switch port... Gah! It's kind of upsetting because a PC port should have been so easy! It's a UE4 game after all.
 

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So, potentially, what is a better course of action:
1. Buying another old-as-dirt RAM to have 2 exact same 8GB sticks
2. Trying to find a 2x8 16GB pair, that is most certainly not on the QVL either...

I'm not quite ready yet to scrap this computer, even though I know that I need to do so eventually, since the mobo is ancient by today's standards.
1. When buying sticks separately you can never be 100% sure that they're the same but I assume we're not talking about fast low latency RAM so eh, give it a try.
2. Those lists often won't get updated after release so eh, same as above, chances are good it'll work. Just make sure the BIOS is as up to date as possible.
 
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