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KingKrouch

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  • AMD Expo still doesn't work properly
  • Driver updates won't install properly (have to do it manually)
  • Driver updates fix some things but break others (for example, Ratchet and Clank would crash completely, driver fix prevents this BUT ONLY if using FSR, otherwise it would still crash)
  • Strange monitor flickering unless I restart
  • Sometimes PC becomes stuck on restart until I do a hard (button) reset.
  • Drivers sometimes bork the GPU idle power consumption
  • I have to manually reset my FPS limit in Adrenaline every time I update drivers because it always gets back to 60fps.
  • FSR kinda sucks.
  • My power bill has gone up the fucking roof.
Apparently the new Windows 11 update causes problems with settings restarting. I've also strangely noticed issues with the Vivaldi or Discord windows flickering white for a moment when a video is playing.
 
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Apparently the new Windows 11 update causes problems with settings restarting. I've also strangely noticed issues with the Vivaldi or Discord windows flickering white for a moment when a video is playing.
It has been like this since I installed it many months ago.
 

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  • AMD Expo still doesn't work properly
  • Driver updates won't install properly (have to do it manually)
  • Driver updates fix some things but break others (for example, Ratchet and Clank would crash completely, driver fix prevents this BUT ONLY if using FSR, otherwise it would still crash)
  • Strange monitor flickering unless I restart
  • Sometimes PC becomes stuck on restart until I do a hard (button) reset.
  • Drivers sometimes bork the GPU idle power consumption
  • I have to manually reset my FPS limit in Adrenaline every time I update drivers because it always gets back to 60fps.
  • FSR kinda sucks.
  • My power bill has gone up the fucking roof.
I said it before and I'll say it again, AMD drivers were incredibly unstable when I was using their cards, literally all my issues with PC gaming disappeared the moment I swapped to nvidia because drivers stopped randomly crashing while I was playing.

That was years ago, but I'll never go back to AMD unless I literally find their cards half off or something
 

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It has been like this since I installed it many months ago.
Might be worth testing Ratchet & Clank with a LiveUSB Linux environment to see if it's a GPU issue rather than a driver related issue. An old 6700XT that I had ended up with a similar issue with games crashing, and those issues persisted even under Linux. Probably worth giving a try to see if it's purely a issue with their Windows drivers or something wrong with the hardware itself.

Since I got that replaced, haven't had crashing issues.
literally all my issues with PC gaming disappeared the moment I swapped to nvidia because drivers stopped randomly crashing while I was playing.
Meanwhile, I had nothing but issues with the NVIDIA Control Panel being slow and bloated (For some reason, it loads all of their game profiles at once?), GeForce Experience lacking features (like RAM caching) and requiring a login, extremely fragmented software suites that you can't even get through Winget, and weird issues when I had my drawing tablet plugged in (Which is 60Hz), where it would make things on my high refresh rate monitor look choppy (and there was seemingly no fix for this judging by the NVIDIA forums). That's not even counting how terrible their Linux drivers are, I can't blame NVIDIA users for sticking to Windows based on how those are.

I'll probably give NVIDIA a second chance again once the Linux community gets their open source Vulkan drivers (NVK and Nouveau for GL stuff) working to a competent amount, and when NVIDIA finally sells a decent midrange card again (that's an upgrade rather than using DLSS 3 as a crutch for being almost the same performance). Reason being that AMD putting AMFM (Which apparently is underwhelming anyways) and their low latency stuff (the real kicker) behind a RX 7000 paywall is wack, especially since NVIDIA Reflex even works on 10 series cards, and since the 7000 series cards apparently still have problems. My RTX 3070 felt very underwhelming for the price I paid for it, but man, AMD thinks they can get away with the same crap NVIDIA is doing.

I can at least say that AMD's overclocking/undervolting tools are straight-up busted, and even if applying settings seems fine, restart your computer, it takes abnormally long to boot, and then it will say the settings got reset for stability reasons.

I'll never go back to AMD unless I literally find their cards half off or something
Yeah, I bought my 6900XT for around $600 or so on sale rather than MSRP. 3090 rasterization performance, when a 3090 went for around $1K at the time, seemed like a good value to me.
 
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Might be worth testing Ratchet & Clank with a LiveUSB Linux environment to see if it's a GPU issue rather than a driver related issue. An old 6700XT that I had ended up with a similar issue with games crashing, and those issues persisted even under Linux. Probably worth giving a try to see if it's purely a issue with their Windows drivers or something wrong with the hardware itself.

Since I got that replaced, haven't had crashing issues.

Meanwhile, I had nothing but issues with the NVIDIA Control Panel being slow and bloated (For some reason, it loads all of their game profiles at once?), GeForce Experience lacking features (like RAM caching) and requiring a login, extremely fragmented software suites that you can't even get through Winget, and weird issues when I had my drawing tablet plugged in (Which is 60Hz), where it would make things on my high refresh rate monitor look choppy (and there was seemingly no fix for this judging by the NVIDIA forums). That's not even counting how terrible their Linux drivers are, I can't blame NVIDIA users for sticking to Windows based on how those are.

I'll probably give NVIDIA a second chance again once the Linux community gets their open source Vulkan drivers (NVK and Nouveau for GL stuff) working to a competent amount, and when NVIDIA finally sells a decent midrange card again (that's an upgrade rather than using DLSS 3 as a crutch for being almost the same performance). Reason being that AMD putting AMFM (Which apparently is underwhelming anyways) and their low latency stuff (the real kicker) behind a RX 7000 paywall is wack, especially since NVIDIA Reflex even works on 10 series cards, and since the 7000 series cards apparently still have problems. My RTX 3070 felt very underwhelming for the price I paid for it, but man, AMD thinks they can get away with the same crap NVIDIA is doing.

I can at least say that AMD's overclocking/undervolting tools are straight-up busted, and even if applying settings seems fine, restart your computer, it takes abnormally long to boot, and then it will say the settings got reset for stability reasons.


Yeah, I bought my 6900XT for around $600 or so on sale rather than MSRP. 3090 rasterization performance, when a 3090 went for around $1K at the time, seemed like a good value to me.
I don't really have much to add to that except that I don't have Geforce experice installed and I never mess with NVIDIA control panel.
If I can start up my PC and literally touch nothing and it works it's good enough, I don't even install new drivers, when I mean I do nothing I really mean it, I only install windows updates when prompted and that's that.

Nvidia allows me to do that and never bother me, AMD didn't, it's as simple as that :shrugblob:

For that matter my experience with Fedora 37/38 and Opensuse tumbleweed + nvidia is fine as well, and I cannot say the same for AMD despite the drivers being part of the linux kernel. Reason being that back then I was still on AMD it took well over 6 months for my card to work with my distro (again years ago) and from what I hear AMD is still not releasing drivers for their new cards at launch despite all.
I cannot find that reddit thread I wanted to post so maybe that's bullshit, not being on AMD means I can't really verify it for myself.

Back then having to find a working distro which supported my card was a pain by some miracle Debian (obviously) did it and after I used it for work I immediatly wiped it off my PC. ( Didn't help that any and all linux experiences I had were like pulling teeth for various reasons ).
 
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The issue is that you go to AMD support forums or sites and you start seeing stuff like 'well you just gotta undervolt CPU, GPU, mess with the BIOS and...' and like cool but I don't have the time nor the patience to do all that.
Jesus, that sounds like a nightmare. :face-screaming-in-fear:

One of the primary reasons I came back to PC gaming back in '15 was the ease of use - Valve effectively turned it into a console like space. You could still have your power user tweaks and modding and such if you wanted to put the work in, but if you couldn't be arsed and just wanted to play games that looked nice you could do that. Doing stuff like that would be a 100% no-go in my book. :dizzy-face:

Been very content with my AMD CPU, but it looks like I'm never giving their GPUs a shot if that kind of "solution" is apparently normalized among AMD fans.

In other AMD related news: they screwed my friend out of his free Starfield key (in their recent giveaway). :flushed-face: I encouraged him to go get an AMD CPU for his upgrade (based on my own good experiences), so he bought a 7950x3D + compatible mobo. When he tried to get a key from AMD's local subsidiary, they told him that he apparently bought a Taiwanese "grey market" version and wasn't eligible to get a key (despite there being no mention of this in their promo terms). Scumbags! That's 70 bucks set on fire, and its too much of a PITA to complain to the regulators. :fireblob:
 

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Back then having to find a working distro which supported my card was a pain by some miracle Debian (obviously) did it and after I used it for work I immediatly wiped it off my PC. ( Didn't help that any and all linux experiences I had were like pulling teeth for various reasons ).
I'd honestly recommend Nobara at this point because it comes with NVIDIA driver support OOTB and a ton of tweaks and software already done for gaming & multimedia use, but Arch is the only other distro that I've tried that just installs NVIDIA drivers for you during the archinstall installer. DNF and COPR as a combination is easily the best and most streamlined package manager to use, and it helps that it's compatible with anything with RPM packages (like VS Code, GitHub Desktop, Mullvad, or Unity). PopOS is apparently another safe bet, but honestly, my issues with Debian's package manager and the PPA related stuff, and the amount of software that requires compiling manually is not great. Ubuntu/Debian/Mint somehow has gotten worse over the years in terms of being a beginner recommendation. However, I can't recommend Arch because the amount of software that requires the AUR and compiling code using a manually installed AUR helper (like yay).

My main issue with Linux at this point is compatibility with game mods, some things like Cheat Engine (Which I use as a debugger and assembly code tester for some of my game fixes) being busted under Proton, and certain mods requiring external launchers and mod managers. ProtonTricks made installing dependencies for certain game mods easier, and Special K isn't as busted under Proton anymore. Everything else is mostly solved where I'd be fine using it across the board, setting aside some weird design decisions with KDE Plasma.
 

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I'll never use Nobara ever for the following reasons:
  • bus factor of one
  • i prefer more widely adopted and less turbo customized stuff like vanilla Fedora or Opensuse Tumbleweed for obvious reasons (okay okay... Opensuse is not as "widely" adopted as others... but still!)
  • Opensuse does everything automatically including signing the Nvidia kernel module /enroll the MOK for use with secureboot

Cheat Engine
of all the issues I had on Linux specifically this was ""not"" an issue. Cheat Engine worked flawlessly for me but having to launch it in the same instance of Proton is a pain in the ass, because it means I cannot simply launch it on demand if for whatever reason I reach a point in the game where the dev decided they wanted to be annoying.
I gotta start CE in the same instance at the beginning just in case. That's honestly a pain in the ass, but it worked provided I did that hence the ""not""

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Many people only blame the industry, I also blame gamers, most of them just want to play the same game over and over again.
Some of that is a symptom of the economy being so fucked for your people that the only energy anyone has is to sit and vegetate after work for a few hours before having to return to bed before getting back into the grind.

Not exactly a lot of time to engage with art on a critical level.

I agree that there is a lack of interest in innovation in the industry, but also if the industry only serves slop, you can't be too surprised that people eat the slop. This is why we gotta support the indie games that do innovate and do cool things. Assassin's Creed is the definition of slop in video game form. I'll stick to a Sekiro steak over a sloppy Ass Creed burger.

Ok that's enough tortured metaphors.
 

Kyougar

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Many people only blame the industry, I also blame gamers, most of them just want to play the same game over and over again.
I would say that playing the same thing is inherently better than chasing the capitalistic dream of selling you a new thing every few months.
Especially when playing the same thing is because of the quality and gameplay fun you have with the old games. You don't need something new when you are fine with what you have.
 

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Even if it worked, you'd probably regret it after a few hours when ubi's repetitive game design kicks in.

My advice is to refund it and buy Wargroove 2 instead. It's awesome and a lot cheaper! :)
I have this on my cart actually:

  • Disgaea 7
  • Wargroove 2
  • Warriors Orochi 3 Ultimate DE
  • Warriors Orochi 4 Ultimate Upgrade
  • Serious Sam 4
  • Alliance Alive HD
 

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The art style reminds me so much of Stronghold (2001).

(stuff about ...NVIDIA and Linux..)
Adding my anecdotes to the pile, I've been using nVidia on Linux for... a very long time, though mostly not gaming on Linux until March 2022, and I've never had any driver problem worth mentioning :shrugblob:

However, I can't recommend Arch because the amount of software that requires the AUR and compiling code using a manually installed AUR helper (like yay).
(...)
Personally, I need precious little from the AUR (<20), and none of it has been gaming-related since mangohud went to the main repos, a few months back. All my package management troubles have evaporated since I migrated from Kubuntu to Arch (EndeavourOS, specifically).
 
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Something I found funny is how if you look at the Elden Ring Steam page that they have a link to Sekiro.


From my understanding technically Fromsoft is the publisher of Elden Ring in Japan and are also the publisher of Sekiro in Japan as well. Watch Bandai some how get mad.
 

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as much as a company valued at what, $30B+? can have money problems... which means oh no we didn't grow 15% the past two quarters, time to lay off some people deadwood!!!
 
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I was watching some slander videos and I am wondering how accurate some of them truly are.

Also I am now realizing that I have about 15 or so friends on Steam that also sub to Humble Monthly seeing how some of the games in their library are those that are included each month
 
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In preparation of the holyday sales, can you guys give me some blobber recommendations?
 
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My experiment with swapping joysticks didn't work... the sticks in the Gulikit controller I have (and apparently most controllers) stand too high and won't fit when you try putting the faceplate back on.
Good news is, taking the faceplate off let me rub away some of the uneven spots where the sticks poke through, so that's been addressed a bit. And since this controller is built like a freaking tank, it doesn't have any extra give when put back together. I can also confirm that they DO still have hall-effect sticks on the Bluetooth version.

 

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I haven't had issues with my AMD CPU, but I've been on the stable AM4 platform. AM5 has had quite a rocky launch.
 

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Looks like AMD added AFMF to the RX 6000 series of cards, probably after backlash. I hope that Anti-Lag+ comes next, because NVIDIA has an equivalent called Reflex.

https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/release-notes/rn-rad-win-23-30-afmf-tech-preview

AMD's new Fluid Motion Frames thing that they added is really cool, so if you can't hit a locked performance target or a game is capped, their driver essentially does something similar to the TV motion smoothing stuff but it's not unresponsive. Outside of some motion artifacting in some 2D games (Tried it with Holocure) and 3D games (like Code Vein, where the game only can't run better because of the CPU only using a few cores for the game), it works surprisingly well. Just sad that I can't use reshade for scanline effects in Holocure because it causes problems with the motion smoothing. I see this being really cool on a laptop where you're often power limited.

EDIT: However, testing this with Mary Skelter Finale or games like Samurai Maiden (Where the only way you can avoid FixedUpdate stuttering is to cap the game at 60FPS), I notice no difference. It doesn't work for Counter-Strike 2 either. So altogether, this is a mixed bag unless Anti-Lag+ on older cards come out of this.
 
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