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Li Kao

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What's the big bullet point ? Will they give xp like candy ? It would be more of a turnoff to me.
While I hate some parts of the base game, I don't really want them to kill the point of old zones like in WOW for example.
 

Ascheroth

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Looks like I finished the "intro" in Limsa Lominsa, just took an airship to another city.
And got another cool cutscene :blobeyes:

The villain group design is also pretty rad.

And I learned a new dance, lol.
 

EdwardTivrusky

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Ashe Lumina on Phoenix, currently level 17.
Cool, i'm on Twintania, level 32 and still a Conjurer/Thaumaturge/Arcanist without a job stone.
I'll have to visit Phoenix when i resub. I went to Shiva to get the Housing opened up but didn't get a chance to visit the MC player there. I wandered around and people were nice but you could tell it was an established server as the central hubs like Gridania and Imsa were nowhere near as busy as Twintania as everyone was in the higher level areas where Twintania is full of lower level peeps.

So i went skinny-dipping in their pools and streams :D

Twintanian visits Shiva Lavendar Beds: Boil water before drinking!

Damn, that was a year ago, i've been away for 6 months or so! Time flies!
 
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What's the big bullet point ? Will they give xp like candy ? It would be more of a turnoff to me.
While I hate some parts of the base game, I don't really want them to kill the point of old zones like in WOW for example.
the big change in regards to leveling is just a streamlining of content. the story quests will be cleaned up and a lot of the real needless "walk back and forth like 5 times to watch cutscenes" will be turned into something a bit smarter. also i believe the xp will be tuned so that you can level 1-50 by just doing the main story quests without needing to grind out on sidequests or repeatable events and spamming dungeons like you did previously.

the new expansion works that way already. you can get from 70-80 with just the story and nothing else which leaves those other quests and such for leveling additional jobs.

also they made some larger dungeons with future story implications manditory and they fixed up a lot of the post-50 base game content that was pointlessly long on purpose and no longer needs to be that way, i think they said they reduced the post-50 quests by 33%?
 
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Li Kao

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I see that inter world travel had been made easy on FF14 (it wasn't that way some time ago I think).
So, who plays the game ?

I saw EdwardTivrusky on Twintania (not active) and Ascheroth on Phoenix, any other player ?
 

Ascheroth

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I did my first dungeon for the story yesterday. And uhhhh, I felt completely unnecessary 😅
The others were just blazing through it spamming flashy skills and I just ran along and tried to be somewhat useful. But I probably could have just watched.. :grimacing-face:
Next main quest is another dungeon and I figured I'd give it a try.
Spent 15 minutes waiting for the group search to do it's thing without success, then quit :notlikethisblob: Desire to play MMOs declining sharply again..
 

Li Kao

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Sometimes FF14 systems are just drop dead stupid. I wanted to friend Ascheroth , don't fucking know how to. I visited his Lodestone page, sent a follow invite, no earthly idea if this will do it or if you really, really, stupidly have to look for the player character's name while they are online.
 

Rogue Agent

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I see that inter world travel had been made easy on FF14 (it wasn't that way some time ago I think).
So, who plays the game ?

I saw EdwardTivrusky on Twintania (not active) and Ascheroth on Phoenix, any other player ?
I'm kind of playing it on Coeurl. But I just want to burn through the story even though I have an obsession on doing every single side quest I can. Sadly I don't spend a lot of time every day playing it so I'm still on A Realm Reborn at Lv. 50 quests. I have Heavensward so I my character can go above Lv. 50 now. Sometimes I just do some crafting and gathering and side quests each day and that's it.
 

Ascheroth

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Sometimes FF14 systems are just drop dead stupid. I wanted to friend Ascheroth , don't fucking know how to. I visited his Lodestone page, sent a follow invite, no earthly idea if this will do it or if you really, really, stupidly have to look for the player character's name while they are online.
I'll check later today if I got something (Note: I play the trial version, no idea if that complicates anything).
Also note that historically I'm much more of a single player person than an mmo person, so I cannot guarantee how much I'm going to play FF 14.
 

Ascheroth

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Hm, I didn't see any friend request or anything Li Kao



In other news, I did the second main story dungeon, yay. This time around my group was apparently not full of extremely strong veterans, and I felt pretty useful - even got a commendation from someone, whoo!
I realised that I didn't need to stand around and do nothing until the party is assembled, so I went fishing while waiting. After the dungeon I picked up the Botanist class and did some comfy gathering - almost leveled it to 20 already. And now I've picked up the Leatherworker class and am crafting myself better crafting and gathering equipment after I realized I could do this, haha. Let's see if I can level it until I can craft some better armor for my current main combat class (Rogue).
As luck would have it, my next main story location is in Ul'dah and I'll be picking up at least the Miner class :blobeyes:
Yes, I've fallen into a crafting hole, I think :whistle:

It's pretty addicting and suprisingly involved compared to what I'm used to from other MMOs.
It also helps that it's not a F2P MMO and I can rest assured that it doesn't overly waste my taste because it wants me to spend money on various microtransaction stuffs.
It does help that I'm currently on vacation and have quite some time on hand, not sure if I would do this when work starts again and I have much less gaming time, but we'll see.
 
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Li Kao

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Yeah, dungeon rushers are a nightmare in any mmo :anguished-face:
It doesn't happen that often, but when I find myself in this sort of group I don't hesitate to gtfo.

I also like the second dungeon very much (the boss was designed to please me :tightly-closed-eyes:)
 

EdwardTivrusky

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I see that inter world travel had been made easy on FF14 (it wasn't that way some time ago I think).
So, who plays the game ?

I saw EdwardTivrusky on Twintania (not active) and Ascheroth on Phoenix, any other player ?
I let my subscription lapse a little while ago as i got burnt out and needed to play other games. I'm getting more interested in getting a resub lately but tbh i'd need to join a casual/newbie friendly FC as otherwise i'll just mess about avoiding dungeons until my sub expires again.

I didn't know you'd resubbed lately! I was considering resubbing and contacting you for a meetup on Shiva or somewhere but i thought you'd let your sub lapse. DOH :)
 
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Li Kao

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I let my subscription lapse a little while ago as i got burnt out and needed to play other games. I'm getting more interested in getting a resub lately but tbh i'd need to join a casual/newbie friendly FC as otherwise i'll just mess about avoiding dungeons until my sub expires again.

I didn't know you'd resubbed lately! I was considering resubbing and contacting you for a meetup on Shiva or somewhere but i thought you'd let your sub lapse. DOH :)
It's unfortunate that you, Ascheroth and me are not committed to the game, because we would just need another and could play a lot of dungeons together.
I resubbed pretty recently, a few days ago.

On another topic, I'm getting super tired of ESO. Not abysmal but it's always just barely good to make it competently made, it's fucking mediocre.
Pretty telling is that I'm beginning to feel that if I play more I will waste my time.
Combat is shit, graphics are meh, NO effort on the lore exposition, BAD dungeons layout, repetitive gimmick like the disguise system (used 3 times already and I'm at the end of the fucking second island !).
The good part was the diverse cast of supporting NPCs, who had nothing of great value to say but was entertaining, but it seems it was just a starting zones thing.
 

MegaApple

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Thinking of trying FF14 from the free trial on Aug 11.

I played the free trial long back, made a character, entered into the world and tutorials guided me on what all can be done. But I didn't like the character so I deleted it and made a new one, and then all tutorial stopped appearing (think the game thought I know the game now that I've made a new character).
Oops?
(still didn't play it more than an hour).

Are there any guides for complete noobs? Never properly played an MMO.
 

warp_

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The Lodestone (aka player homepage for FF14) hosts a pretty solid set of guides for MMO noobies:

The online manual breaks down a bunch of topics from controls to how to play with a party
Game Manual | FINAL FANTASY XIV, The Lodestone
The UI Guide will help to understand the different part of the UI and how to customize them
UI Guide | FINAL FANTASY XIV, The Lodestone
And then there are various other guides breaking down the various systems, activities, and what each of the jobs (classes) do in the game:
Play Guide | FINAL FANTASY XIV, The Lodestone
 

Fluffynov

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I'm excited for ashes of creation again ever since the lazy peon uploaded his overview of the game (the interviews the CEO of intrepid studios did with a bunch twitch streamers are also very informative)


I've followed the game for quite some time now but I fell off the hype probably a year or so ago but man this game is so promising. It ticks all the right boxes for me: open world pvp, open world dungeons, political system, religious system, meaningful crafting where the best crafted gear is on par with the best dungeon gear, the node system which is just bonkers and essentially means there's no two servers alike and so many more features that'd take me a while to write down.

Also the game enters alpha 1 in the coming months and already looks so polished in a lot of places.
 
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Ashes of Creation seems like a working product in development, with decent progress for once (unlike Crowfall and Camelot Unchained, which outside of being real late, are pretty much shit in their current state).
I like a lot of what they're trying, and it doesn't run like complete poop.

But I can already tell you that the node system will never, ever, work as intended.
Cities growing and changing depending on player actions mean that as soon as datamining is in, people will force the best towns to flourish for the best "loot", mats, or whatever else.
Big guilds will control them with an iron fist (and almost all of them will be human-influenced since the most popular race is real obvious), nobody will be able to attack them and relocate nodes in less popular places, except maybe on a very small, RP focused server (which ain't going to happen for very long with the MMO population being so small).

The PvP severely punishing attacking non-willing players is a good idea... in theory, as people invested in noob killing or spawn camping will give no shit about becoming corrupted and becoming weaker/looting stuff.
Even permadeath has never been a deterrent in the genre, so the game will be an absolute gankfest that all PvErs will flee like the plague, letting the game rot until they change their minds.
World PvP is a death sentence for any MMO. Always has been, always will be. There's a reason why MMOs became the opposite of free PvP with time, people abuse it, people leave, games die. Then you get a few PvPers fighting over scraps, with developers despairing to bring new players with $5 sales like Black Desert, and absurd P2W systems to milk what's left.

So yeah, lots of potential, but two major decisions that will ensure that it will fail.
Or they modify things a bit before release to avoid their obvious end, they can still do so. But of course they'd need not to listen to a very vocal minority. The same that made certain that no new MMO would live...
 
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I've been following Ashes of Creation as well. It's been too long though, and they started with a Kickstarter project back then. They also released a "combat prototype" in a form of battle royale, released on Steam a year or two ago, which was a massive failure. The game is shaping up nicely lately.
 

Fluffynov

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Ashes of Creation seems like a working product in development, with decent progress for once (unlike Crowfall and Camelot Unchained, which outside of being real late, are pretty much shit in their current state).
I like a lot of what they're trying, and it doesn't run like complete poop.

But I can already tell you that the node system will never, ever, work as intended.
Cities growing and changing depending on player actions mean that as soon as datamining is in, people will force the best towns to flourish for the best "loot", mats, or whatever else.
Big guilds will control them with an iron fist (and almost all of them will be human-influenced since the most popular race is real obvious), nobody will be able to attack them and relocate nodes in less popular places, except maybe on a very small, RP focused server (which ain't going to happen for very long with the MMO population being so small).

The PvP severely punishing attacking non-willing players is a good idea... in theory, as people invested in noob killing or spawn camping will give no shit about becoming corrupted and becoming weaker/looting stuff.
Even permadeath has never been a deterrent in the genre, so the game will be an absolute gankfest that all PvErs will flee like the plague, letting the game rot until they change their minds.
World PvP is a death sentence for any MMO. Always has been, always will be. There's a reason why MMOs became the opposite of free PvP with time, people abuse it, people leave, games die. Then you get a few PvPers fighting over scraps, with developers despairing to bring new players with $5 sales like Black Desert, and absurd P2W systems to milk what's left.

So yeah, lots of potential, but two major decisions that will ensure that it will fail.
Or they modify things a bit before release to avoid their obvious end, they can still do so. But of course they'd need not to listen to a very vocal minority. The same that made certain that no new MMO would live...
There's going to be a bounty hunter system, which players can join, that will incentivize them to hunt for corrupt players, balancing this system. I also don't agree that OWPvP is the death of every MMO because clearly games like Lineage II have lived for ages now and are still being played.

I've been following Ashes of Creation as well. It's been too long though, and they started with a Kickstarter project back then. They also released a "combat prototype" in a form of battle royale, released on Steam a year or two ago, which was a massive failure. The game is shaping up nicely lately.
Their CEO has mentioned in an interview that releasing the battle royale was essential in identifying a very big flaw in their backend structure and that it helped them immensely in fixing this issue whereas if they hadn't done the battle royale testing they would've run into pretty critical problems down the line that would have required a lot more work.
 
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Speaking of old MMOs, I'm currently playing on a private, custom WoW server.
It's Vanilla but with added community content and a largely roleplay ambitions. And it's pretty cool! There's a large upcoming "expansion" too, that will probably be the time to share more about it then.

What I find very interesting is how different it feels to other servers, private or official.
I saw one guy making a very dubious joke about Jews, and he got slammed by the entire world chat and the GMs. It's refreshing to have a community that will not tolerate any bullshit, because damn if it doesn't get bad elsewhere...

Fluffynov
There's going to be a bounty hunter system, which players can join, that will incentivize them to hunt for corrupt players, balancing this system. I also don't agree that OWPvP is the death of every MMO because clearly games like Lineage II have lived for ages now and are still being played.
Bounty hunting will do absolutely nothing. Very casual PvErs will not even set foot in the game, casual PvErs will leave after being killed twice. And then the rest of the more mixed players will leave once they've been harassed long enough.
Open world PvP is the death of any MMO.
I mean this is no opinion, this is fact: all PvP games are ridiculously small... and the dozens of them released over the years, including all those more recent ones are dead.
Lineage 2 is effectively dead in the West, with a player base in the thousands... including a vast majority of bots.

WoW didn't reach 12M by being a PvP game.
All the survivors like FFXIV, ESO, GW2 or SWTOR certainly don't survive because of PvP. If they even did anything with it in years, GW2 has dozens of active PvP players and was probably the only one that even tried.... before giving up inf avor of solo PvE content.

MMOs are not made for PvP. Gear and progression is anathema for PvP, except for people that don't want a test of skill.
Plainly a fact given by statistics: there are more active players in MOBAs and battle royales than there have been MMO players in the last 30 years. People do NOT want to PvP in an MMO. Or else they would have been playing them, not leaving for the options that allowed players to avoid it; Ultima Online proved as much when the PvE server took 95% of the population.
 
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EdwardTivrusky

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MegaApple I'll go through my FFXIV Noob links and post a couple that i found useful.

As i'm at work tho have some videos while you wait.

Zepla's videos and community are great.

Larryzaur's "Basically..." Job overview videos are fun too

And some inspiration!

White Mage is the best! (No bias here, noooooo)

( These videos are old so some of the specifics are different now but they still amuse me )
 
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Li Kao

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I have no idea how healers can stand the pressure and/or idiotic players :sweaty-blob:
 

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in ff healing is surprisingly low stress compared to something like older wow raiding. you even have time and ability to do damage in the downtime.
 
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Ascheroth

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In other news, I've also defeated my first Primal (Ifrit), got a chocobo buddy + mount and joined a Grand Company today! Since I've started in Limsa Lominsa and am maining a Rogue, it felt only natural to join the Maelstrom.
Also this game continues to look really good.

 
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EdwardTivrusky

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Ascheroth There's a couple of CactPot "solvers" out there... supposedly ;)
Though in general i used the old "Y" trick. Make a Y shape either horizontally or vertically and then choose the other points off that.

You lot are making me really want to resub for a bit and try to get actually get my job stone.
 
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patch notes for tuesday's ffxiv patch. content wise it may end up being a bummer for max level but there's a lot of qol and streamlining fixes for newer players.

should there be a dedicated 14 thread or is it fine if i just post about it in here mostly? i've kinda given up on all the other mmos i used to play
 

EdwardTivrusky

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I'd say keep posting here. It'll keep the thread visible and maybe get others to post.
I'm getting more and more tempted to resub around the 11th i'm starting to miss Eorzea and my lil lalafell, Moon.
 
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Yeah, at this point there probably needs to be a FFXIV OT in this forum lol. About 90% of the discussions in this thread is about FFXIV.

But I'm fine either way, tbh.
 

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