|OT| The PC Hardware Thread -- Buy/Upgrade/Ask/Answer
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Unless you really care about ray tracing and Nvidia specific features like DLSS and NVENC then I would consider an AMD card. You can get a 6800XT for close to $500 on sale (or lower depending on models compared) price point and it will have significantly better rasterization performance.
Edit: I should also add that this is a good chart for comparing GPU relative performance at different resolutions. It's not perfect but still helpful: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html
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Well, i've been dithering for months and due to dwindling stock today i finally decided... i bought a Ryzen 5800X3D for my AM4 system and it's being delivered tomorrow. Should be a decent upgrade from my 2700X and will be more than enough for my needs while i save for an AM5 upgrade sometime... well that time has been delayed a while i reckon.
I'll keep my RTX 2070 and wait and see what AMD have to offer and what Nvidia counter with etc but with me looking into a new NAS and possibly needing a new monitor before Christmas as my current one is poorly it may be a while before i upgrade my GPU.
Excited to see what the new CPU does for me though, wish me luck on the installation sometime tomorrow.
Looks like the 5600X is the sweet spot for an upgrade though from the looks of this few day old GN video.
I'll keep my RTX 2070 and wait and see what AMD have to offer and what Nvidia counter with etc but with me looking into a new NAS and possibly needing a new monitor before Christmas as my current one is poorly it may be a while before i upgrade my GPU.
Excited to see what the new CPU does for me though, wish me luck on the installation sometime tomorrow.
Looks like the 5600X is the sweet spot for an upgrade though from the looks of this few day old GN video.
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I would recommend an online cloud backup service over just local backups.
What I do is remote cloud backup + local single HDD backup, which is always offline. The only way I could be more safe is to have an offsite HDD in a safe deposit box or something.
What cloud service do you use? I was thinking about doing this but haven't found a price I am willing to pay yet. I could use Google Cloud coldline storage to get to a somewhat reasonable price but would rather find something more user friendly.
I use Backblaze. It's super slow, but it's quite cheap.
A CPU would be the thing I'd upgrade first if you want high refresh rate at low resolution.
More often than not you will be CPU bound.
Ok my proposed new build as it stands just now (plus an RTX 2070 Super from my current build and I'll install W10 myself)
Anything worth changing? I don't mind paying a bit extra for a pre build but naturally I want something that will last, so if anything is worth upgrading or vice versa is overkill please let me know.
That being said the one big question mark for me is still the case, I know bugger all about pc cases.
I just want something that will fit everything, isn't so big it's an eyesore (not sure about the whole full vs mid debate) and has good thermals out the box. I'm hesitant to spend more than £~130 on a case but advice would be appreciated.
Fwiw, my current case is a Fractal Design Define R4 which I believe is a mid.
EDIT: oh god I shouldn't have started reading, is intel better than AMD these days? I thought it was other way around now, I've no idea what I;m buying now >_<
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Intel is the value leader right now because you don't have to go all in on DDR5 and mobo like the new AM5 stuff. Since you are picking AM4 stuff though it is a moot point as that only applies to the latest generations for AMD and Intel. I have been doing a lot of case research lately for a new one at the 4000D you have selected there gets a lot of recommendations.
Thanks that helps a lot
Is it a bad idea to go for AM4 then at this time?
EDIT: some googling seems to suggest AM4 still pretty good to go for
OK, is looking like my build from the previous link I sent is still looking pretty good then I'm guessing
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Did exactly that two weeks ago, also replaced 2080Ti with 3080Ti (managed to get it for 600 bucks).
It is a good upgrade, finally Cyberpunk runs with RT and crowds at high mostly stable 60. Ready for the expansion.
Tomorrow I will start Plague Tale 2, hopefully it will keep 60 there as well.
I did some CPU testing in Cyberpunk (RT enabled, but low res to eliminate GPU bottleneck) and 5800X3D is pretty much twice as fast as 2700X. Same board, same memory, same core count. Not bad.
AM4 is still solid. I just did a drop-in upgrade on my AM4 setup to a 5800x3D and a 6900XT which will last me at least another 2-3 years for work and 1440p gaming. By then, 4k will probably be more reasonable for monitors and hardware to push it so I will fully upgrade then. The beauty of PCs compared to consoles is there is no hard generation line where old software stops working so getting high end previous gen products still works great and can save you a good amount of money.
PCPartPicker Part List
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D 3.4 GHz 8-Core Processor (€404.94 @ TopAchat)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 RGB Black Edition 57.3 CFM CPU Cooler (€43.74 @ Amazon France)
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory (€72.88 @ Alternate)
Storage: Samsung 860 Evo 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive (€214.00 @ Amazon France)
Storage: Samsung 870 Evo 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive (€104.99 @ Amazon France)
Video Card: MSI GAMING X GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER 8 GB Video Card (€940.00 @ Amazon France)
Case: be quiet! Pure Base 500DX ATX Mid Tower Case (€118.06 @ Amazon France)
Power Supply: Corsair RM550x (2018) 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€97.90 @ Amazon France)
Total: €1996.51
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D 3.4 GHz 8-Core Processor (€404.94 @ TopAchat)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 RGB Black Edition 57.3 CFM CPU Cooler (€43.74 @ Amazon France)
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory (€72.88 @ Alternate)
Storage: Samsung 860 Evo 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive (€214.00 @ Amazon France)
Storage: Samsung 870 Evo 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive (€104.99 @ Amazon France)
Video Card: MSI GAMING X GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER 8 GB Video Card (€940.00 @ Amazon France)
Case: be quiet! Pure Base 500DX ATX Mid Tower Case (€118.06 @ Amazon France)
Power Supply: Corsair RM550x (2018) 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€97.90 @ Amazon France)
Total: €1996.51
Would be my new config if I follow my whim and buy
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D 3.4 GHz 8-Core Processor (€404.94 @ TopAchat)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 RGB Black Edition 57.3 CFM CPU Cooler (€43.74 @ Amazon France)
Case: be quiet! Pure Base 500DX ATX Mid Tower Case (€118.06 @ Amazon France)
Total: €566.74
What do you think ? Am I making a huge mistake I'm not aware of ? Maybe my power supply isn't adequate ?
Here are the PCPartsPicker warnings
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The MSI B450 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard supports the AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D 3.4 GHz 8-Core Processor with BIOS version 7C02v1I. If the motherboard is using an older BIOS version, upgrading the BIOS will be necessary to support the CPU.
B
Note: A USB 2.0 to USB 3.2 Gen 1 header adapter is required.
C
Note: A USB 3.2 Gen 1 to USB 3.2 Gen 2 header adapter is required.
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Disclaimer: Some physical dimension constraints are currently not checked, such as CPU coolers and RAM clearance.
The MSI B450 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard supports the AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D 3.4 GHz 8-Core Processor with BIOS version 7C02v1I. If the motherboard is using an older BIOS version, upgrading the BIOS will be necessary to support the CPU.
B
Note: A USB 2.0 to USB 3.2 Gen 1 header adapter is required.
C
Note: A USB 3.2 Gen 1 to USB 3.2 Gen 2 header adapter is required.
D
Disclaimer: Some physical dimension constraints are currently not checked, such as CPU coolers and RAM clearance.
I would definitely check that the CPU Cooler is short enough to fit the case and the clearance around the CPU socket is enough for the heatpipes. I have bought a new case which did not fit my CPU Cooler so it's something i have engrained in my mind to check.
The simple way to check is to see if there are any other systems on PC Parts Picker that have those components. You should be fine but i'm paranoid about checking as i was only a couple of mm too tall.
If you already have an existing Ryzen processor that's old enough then you can put that in to do a BIOS update but i'd think any new motherboard would have a new enough BIOS to deal with the 5x series.
Dunno about B & C, i need more coffee.
The simple way to check is to see if there are any other systems on PC Parts Picker that have those components. You should be fine but i'm paranoid about checking as i was only a couple of mm too tall.
If you already have an existing Ryzen processor that's old enough then you can put that in to do a BIOS update but i'd think any new motherboard would have a new enough BIOS to deal with the 5x series.
Dunno about B & C, i need more coffee.
Oh God there is another Gamers Nexus case of the year video ! I'm never gonna settle on a case, am I ?
Though it's fucking unfortunate that the Torrent or Lancool III are that pricey because they look like beasts.
Though it's fucking unfortunate that the Torrent or Lancool III are that pricey because they look like beasts.
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I just want the best temps, I'm traumatized by my non mesh NZXT.I actively decided against the Torrent since IMHO something that expensive shouldn't have that many cheap-looking plastic parts.
It's not really a functional objection, I'm sure they work well enough, but at that price I demand aesthetic satisfaction
Ok, I also want it not too loud.
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And come to think of it if manufacturers could avoid putting their fucking brand logo on a tacky plate in front, it would be appreciated.
I'm never going to find a case.
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In fact it would be helpful if I could put things in context and torture my own case to see what kind of temps I would get. Not sure how to do it.
It would probably take fire, though.
Well I ran some 3DMark tests, Time Spy and CPU Profile, and... overall I'm cool with the results. Perfectly average results for my 2600x and a little below for the 2060 Super /2600x. At least there don't seem to be anything wrong with my setup.
Temps on the other hand, well I expected worse. Average of 72 in Time Spy with a spike at 78+.
I don't know in what way it's bad or horrible, I suppose it's hot.
Temps on the other hand, well I expected worse. Average of 72 in Time Spy with a spike at 78+.
I don't know in what way it's bad or horrible, I suppose it's hot.
I don’t disagree with you and I prefer black metal boxes but I wasn’t able to find anything that had good airflow too. I hate glass side panels which really limits my options since solid side panels on a lot of the popular cases seem non existent these days.I actively decided against the Torrent since IMHO something that expensive shouldn't have that many cheap-looking plastic parts.
It's not really a functional objection, I'm sure they work well enough, but at that price I demand aesthetic satisfaction
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I'm very similar in my case preferences. I ended up going with a white, no-window Silent Base 802.
Also quite expensive (it was ~150€ when I bought it), but it has extremely high build quality, is very functional, and has good airflow.
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Good to know they are have great build quality, that was one of the other cases I had it narrowed down to; I'll have to take a closer look at their offerings next build. I like the white too and would have got my Torrent in white except they only offer white with the stupid window panel. It's a bit sad how hard it is to find good cases now if you don't want RGB crap or no glass. Ideally, I would love to have a machined aluminum case with minimal plastic, but finding those in a mid tower size is damn near impossible.
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The 5800X3D is really quite moderate in its power usage compared to recent high-performance CPUs, so it's not that critical. Any decent air cooler should do the job.
I just had a look and apparently the Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 is the current price/perf king, so if that fits your case/mb that might be a good choice. (I've not personally used it)
I just had a look and apparently the Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 is the current price/perf king, so if that fits your case/mb that might be a good choice. (I've not personally used it)
I have the same case as Durante, yay me!
Although I have black variant. I use the mesh top and front with internal fans set to "2" and I am very satisfied with the noise and temperatures.
In adition to the case above I got Deepcool AK620 for the 3D.
I had to set fans to 600rpm in windows to be happy with the quiet. Windows temperature is around 35-45 depending on what I do.
Then in games it ramps up, but playing Cyberpunk with RT and disabled vsync, CPU temp stays at around 75, which is fine I think.
Is Zotac a good brand ? I just saw that I can get a 3070 ti for 500 something. There is a catch, isn't it ? There is always a catch. For one this is a third party seller, that doesn't fill me with confidence.
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Not so sure anymore about the 5800X3D. It's fucking pricey when you can get a 5600x for 200. And 5800x for not much more. Sure, in some game it's performing better, but it's in the 420 euros zone.
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Not so sure anymore about the 5800X3D. It's fucking pricey when you can get a 5600x for 200. And 5800x for not much more. Sure, in some game it's performing better, but it's in the 420 euros zone.
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Victimized by black friday, SSD upgrade time
Seems to be similar perf to 980 PRO, but ~30€ less
Amazon product
At least I have excuse based on shape of current SSDs
Seems to be similar perf to 980 PRO, but ~30€ less
Amazon product
At least I have excuse based on shape of current SSDs
Li Kao Looking around, and the video i posted the other day by Gamer's Nexus seems to be holding true. If you can find a 5600X or 5800X at a decent price then they are great CPUs and sometimes better than the 5800X3D, so i wouldn't worry about going for one of those instead if it suits your budget.
Also, i was just sent this but i reckon it would hold true for the 5600X/5800X too.
Also, i was just sent this but i reckon it would hold true for the 5600X/5800X too.
I swear the Internet is driving me mad. It's a fucking pain just finding an exhaustive benchmark. Always an omission or some strange test choice, because reasons.
So about the 5800x vs 5800x3d EdwardTivrusky I just saw this big bench :
www.techpowerup.com
And correct me if I'm wrong but there is not one game that win with a 5800x.
That being said, and to nicely loop back to my first point, the benchmarker chose to not use the exact same parts in their comparison. Because reason. Logic. And Science. I'm just spitballing here, I stopped trying to understand benchmark decisions yesterday.
I quote : 'The goal of this review is NOT to test "5800X vs 5800X3D at similar config," but "The current GPU Test System that I have right now, a decent but slightly aged config, vs 5800X3D the way you would build it today" to find out how much of a difference an upgrade can bring.'
My reaction : 'Are you mad ?'
So about the 5800x vs 5800x3d EdwardTivrusky I just saw this big bench :
RTX 4090 & 53 Games: Ryzen 7 5800X vs Ryzen 7 5800X3D Review
How much performance can you gain with Ryzen 7 5800X3D over the non-3DV Cache Ryzen 7 5800X when using the mighty GeForce RTX 4090? Our review has the answer, we test 53 games at three resolutions.
And correct me if I'm wrong but there is not one game that win with a 5800x.
That being said, and to nicely loop back to my first point, the benchmarker chose to not use the exact same parts in their comparison. Because reason. Logic. And Science. I'm just spitballing here, I stopped trying to understand benchmark decisions yesterday.
I quote : 'The goal of this review is NOT to test "5800X vs 5800X3D at similar config," but "The current GPU Test System that I have right now, a decent but slightly aged config, vs 5800X3D the way you would build it today" to find out how much of a difference an upgrade can bring.'
My reaction : 'Are you mad ?'
I was actually almost decided to get Intel 13600K and whole new PC, but then I got info that 5800X3D dropped in price by some 100 bucks and that convinced me to just stop fucking around and get it. Plus hey, Uncharted as a bonus
As someone with a 5800x, it might not win in benchmarks tests against the X3D, albiet as you saw - benchmarks aren't all great to begin with,, but it's not like it's some slouch of a CPU either. You'd be getting a great gaming pc with either way depending on your budget.I swear the Internet is driving me mad. It's a fucking pain just finding an exhaustive benchmark. Always an omission or some strange test choice, because reasons.
So about the 5800x vs 5800x3d EdwardTivrusky I just saw this big bench :
RTX 4090 & 53 Games: Ryzen 7 5800X vs Ryzen 7 5800X3D Review
How much performance can you gain with Ryzen 7 5800X3D over the non-3DV Cache Ryzen 7 5800X when using the mighty GeForce RTX 4090? Our review has the answer, we test 53 games at three resolutions.
And correct me if I'm wrong but there is not one game that win with a 5800x.
That being said, and to nicely loop back to my first point, the benchmarker chose to not use the exact same parts in their comparison. Because reason. Logic. And Science. I'm just spitballing here, I stopped trying to understand benchmark decisions yesterday.
I quote : 'The goal of this review is NOT to test "5800X vs 5800X3D at similar config," but "The current GPU Test System that I have right now, a decent but slightly aged config, vs 5800X3D the way you would build it today" to find out how much of a difference an upgrade can bring.'
My reaction : 'Are you mad ?'
Li Kao I totally see what you mean about that article. However the difference between a 5800X and 5800X3D is at least £120 over here so is it worth it?
In the conclusion they say...
In the conclusion they say...
The difference between a 5800X and the previous generations is pretty big already so it's not like you will be buying a totally pointless upgrade and if a budget is tight that £120 could be used elsewhere.
ok I think I've finally settled on a build
(the mouse, keyboard, monitor and GPU are carry overs from my current build, and I'll install Windows 10 myself)
Need to still drum up cash but all being well I'd expect I'll order that in Jan/Feb
Any thoughts?
(the mouse, keyboard, monitor and GPU are carry overs from my current build, and I'll install Windows 10 myself)
Need to still drum up cash but all being well I'd expect I'll order that in Jan/Feb
Any thoughts?
Just to make it all difficult for us...
Is it just me or does it all just degenerate into number-letter stew in your brain after a while? lol
AHA-Lambda That looks fine but if you're waiting until the new year i'd just save the cash and see how things have developed when the new tech has been out for a while. In other words be prepared to double check things when ready to upgrade.... unless some mad deals pop up as you're saving which may happen.
e.g. You can get a Ryzen 5900X at the moment for the price i paid for the 5800X3D a week ago. Mad.
Also, as he says in the video i posted above CES 2023 may well see some new models & price changes etc to shift some stock and generate hype. That's Jan 5-8 2023 so it may be double worth waiting before you spend. Maybe.
Is it just me or does it all just degenerate into number-letter stew in your brain after a while? lol
AHA-Lambda That looks fine but if you're waiting until the new year i'd just save the cash and see how things have developed when the new tech has been out for a while. In other words be prepared to double check things when ready to upgrade.... unless some mad deals pop up as you're saving which may happen.
e.g. You can get a Ryzen 5900X at the moment for the price i paid for the 5800X3D a week ago. Mad.
Also, as he says in the video i posted above CES 2023 may well see some new models & price changes etc to shift some stock and generate hype. That's Jan 5-8 2023 so it may be double worth waiting before you spend. Maybe.
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Today's dilemma : 5800x / Pure Rock 2 combo pretty much locked in as I can't go AM5 right now. Do I push it and put that in my hot case ?
Yeah, still not sold on the case...
Well, to be fair it's more of an availability thing as the Pure Base is not on Amazon right now (and was third party anyway), the Lancool 216 is still not out, and the Lancool III costs a kidney.
After all I always say my case is hot but my recent 3dMark bench was honorable with 66c peak. But then again the 5800x is hot IIRC. But I would put a solid CPU Fan in there. But I would still use my non mesh NZXT.
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Ahhh
Yeah, still not sold on the case...
Well, to be fair it's more of an availability thing as the Pure Base is not on Amazon right now (and was third party anyway), the Lancool 216 is still not out, and the Lancool III costs a kidney.
After all I always say my case is hot but my recent 3dMark bench was honorable with 66c peak. But then again the 5800x is hot IIRC. But I would put a solid CPU Fan in there. But I would still use my non mesh NZXT.
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Ahhh
Hahaha I am so glad this phase of agonizing over what to get is behind me and my 5800X3D+3080Ti combo purrs happily inside my 4 year old Aorus motherboard inside new Be Quiet 802Ahhh
Fractal Design Focus 2 / Corsair 4000d airflow is a good alternative.Today's dilemma : 5800x / Pure Rock 2 combo pretty much locked in as I can't go AM5 right now. Do I push it and put that in my hot case ?
Yeah, still not sold on the case...
Well, to be fair it's more of an availability thing as the Pure Base is not on Amazon right now (and was third party anyway), the Lancool 216 is still not out, and the Lancool III costs a kidney.
After all I always say my case is hot but my recent 3dMark bench was honorable with 66c peak. But then again the 5800x is hot IIRC. But I would put a solid CPU Fan in there. But I would still use my non mesh NZXT.
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Ahhh
For focus 2 you can mount 6 actually. while 4 of them needs 2 accessory brackets which sucks, it's nothing a double tape couldn't fix really. You even have ample room in front of the psu to add more with the double tapeBut both of them are specified as 2x 2.5" bays. That's smöl
But yeah, for sata storage wise, the pure base is better.
I guess I have no choice but to buy a Lancool III from Amazon 3rd party. This thing is just too good. One of the best temps, 4x 3.5" and 8x 2.5"
Now 5800x or 5800x3D. I'm ordering hardware... in the next few years at this rhythm.
Now 5800x or 5800x3D. I'm ordering hardware... in the next few years at this rhythm.
For the Fractal Design Focus 2 I would advise to add an additional fan at the back of the case.
Only fans at the front leaves some cooling performance lying on the floor.
My monitors are slowly dying and wondering if I should go for a single 1440p gsync (I dunno the hz..120/144?) monitor instead, thing is my PC is a bit old - I7 3770k and a GTX 1070 (gsync is display port only right?)
If so what monitor should I look at?
If so what monitor should I look at?
Hi everyone!
I’m upgrading to AM5, and I’d like to retire my old NZXT Phantom case for something with more air flow.
I’m really liking the look of Fractal’s Meshify Compact C.
I’m mainly wondering people’s thoughts on Dark Tempered Glass versus a Clear Tempered Glass?
I think the dark is growing on me, but the clear would be a much better view into my case. I’m undecided.
I’m upgrading to AM5, and I’d like to retire my old NZXT Phantom case for something with more air flow.
I’m really liking the look of Fractal’s Meshify Compact C.
I’m mainly wondering people’s thoughts on Dark Tempered Glass versus a Clear Tempered Glass?
I think the dark is growing on me, but the clear would be a much better view into my case. I’m undecided.
I have a dark tempered Meshify C. It's a great case and I actually prefer the dark tint because I don't like bright flashing RGB lights. My case is on my left side though, and it faces a wall, so it doesn't really matter that much to me. It's a high quality product.
That said, I am going to replace the case in my upcoming build. I had to remove one of the front fans to get my 3080 to fit inside it, and there is no chance a 40xx card can fit in it. I know there are a variety of reasons people prefer smaller cases but I'm going back to using a bigger case because it'll fit newer components, will have better airflow and make cabling easier to some small extent. I ended up putting in an order for a Meshify 2 after confirming that it can fit the newer, bigger GPUs coming out these days.
Wouldn't it be better to grab one of the newer Meshify cases? That is, from the Meshify 2 line of cases. Unless there's a significant price difference between the newer cases where you are, I would consider them for ease of access alone.
The price difference was pretty big on Amazon, which I’m using via Microsoft Rewards. Reviews and thermals looked good.
After Spin Doctor’s reply, I put in for a cancellation since my item wasn’t due to ship until 11/30-12/5.
I was also eyeballing the Hyte Y60. I may go for that, which seems to be getting positive reviews.
You didn't get a reply if I'm not mistaken, so here is my very uninformed take. It depends on the games you play and the setting level you go for, but, generally speaking, I would beware of adding a monitor like that to an aging config.
Even if you don't aim for 120 fps, that's still a jump going from 1080 to 1440p.
But again, depends on the games, the settings, and even if you are okay with playing at 1080p on a 1440p monitor.
I would be going to one if I got one. I know some games I would have to run at 1080, that would net me the same performance as before right?
There is currently one game that barely hits 60 and it's not a new game, if like from 2012 or something. New games tend to have to cap at 60.
I could technically make the ultra wide act like two 1080 monitors right?
There is currently one game that barely hits 60 and it's not a new game, if like from 2012 or something. New games tend to have to cap at 60.
I could technically make the ultra wide act like two 1080 monitors right?