Community MetaSteam | January 2019 - Steaming along through Epic storms
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But do those gamers "count" as potential customers? If they don't care about the launcher because they only play 1 or 2 games, they don't care about other games. *shrug*
I could, of course! I was gonna say "if that's fine by the moderation since it's a repost," but then I remembered this is MC. If others would like to discuss it over here as well, then.maybe you can do the separate thread in here as well?
I dunno. It works okay on resetera, but since the update it's also gotten somewhat slower. The window where you post in particular is very sluggish with inputs. No idea what that could be.
Happy birthday to all the birthdayers
Thank you all so much. GROUP HUG
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exactly
just do it
if people won't want to talk about it - they won't reply in the thread hahathat's probably it .... well, we'll have to commission a "disable images and embeds" addon sooner or later anyway ... so it's probably "sooner" now .... all depends on donations, i guess
Reading this all in one article instead of dozens spread over the year really puts things into perspective. Can't help but laugh at everyone that says Steam is doing nothing.
From the upcoming 2019 stuff, these 2 sound the most exciting to me:
LIBRARY UPDATE HELL YEAH
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I just wrote that Sergey is calling daxy a liar and suddenly I couldn't access the forums anymoreYa. Epic took it down because of that thread
That is good news, but a bit surprising that it is taking so long.
They have the data, they get a few devs to work on something like the following one and should get some results:
Applying word2vec to Recommenders and Advertising · Chris McCormick
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I'm gonna hunker down over here for a while so Sergey can't find me.
Should've added the obligatory don't @ me at the end of that thread
Should've added the obligatory don't @ me at the end of that thread
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apparently he's correcting you by ... saying the same exact thing you transcribed in the thread ... only doing it in a way that makes it sound even worse than on the podcastI'm gonna hunker down over here for a while so Sergey can't find me.
Should've added the obligatory don't @ me at the end of that thread
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He still has yet to correct anthing tho lol.
Just reiterating with addes PR speech and some clarifications/additional thoughts.
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yeah, exactly ... he's basically saying the same exact things ... i've yet to see anything new in those tweets
Well, i broke down and bought "My time at Portia" and i may have added another Neptunia game to my friend's collection because Fanatical keep doing deals. Dammit.
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I don't believe that there is a big enough variety streaming market to support the influencer model..
The percentage of real variety gamers in the streaming space (like Cohhcarnage) is tiny.
The viewership who follow variety gamers is tiny (if the counterargument is, that there will be more variety streamers if they will get paid)
Good luck getting the big streamers to play your game with a percentage cut. They will lose more money in subs and donations then they would ever make through some hundred sales on your game. They could even lose their complete Audience if they overdo it. Some streamers are in a "Streamer-trap" they lose audience for nearly every other game they play if they got big on GameX and the audience is coming to their channel because of GameX.
Ninja - Twitch statistics, analysis and predictions - SullyGnome
Ninja only gets 10 to 20% of his Audience when he is not streaming Fortnite.
Just looking at the biggest streamers: Most watched Twitch streamers, past 30 days - SullyGnome 95% are nearly single-game streamers.
I don't believe that there is a big enough variety streaming market to support the influencer model..
The percentage of real variety gamers in the streaming space (like Cohhcarnage) is tiny.
The viewership who follow variety gamers is tiny (if the counterargument is, that there will be more variety streamers if they will get paid)
Good luck getting the big streamers to play your game with a percentage cut. They will lose more money in subs and donations then they would ever make through some hundred sales on your game. They could even lose their complete Audience if they overdo it. Some streamers are in a "Streamer-trap" they lose audience for nearly every other game they play if they got big on GameX and the audience is coming to their channel because of GameX.
Ninja - Twitch statistics, analysis and predictions - SullyGnome
Ninja only gets 10 to 20% of his Audience when he is not streaming Fortnite.
Just looking at the biggest streamers: Most watched Twitch streamers, past 30 days - SullyGnome 95% are nearly single-game streamers.
You can pretty much verify this anecdotally by sitting in any popular streamer's chat while they're playing a "variety" game.
Sit in a League of Legends streamer's chat while playing a new PS4 game? Constant complaints.
Sit in a Battle Royale streamer's chat while they play an MMO? Constant complaints.
Sit in an FPS streamer's chat while they play MTG: Arena? Constant complaints.
Chat in these situations is literally:
So yeah, I have no idea how you court streamers specifically. Now influencers that are known for LP's and "reviews" on YouTube or such...that might be a different story.
Yeah. But I can see LP'ers actively ignoring an EGS game or stating that they don't have a partnership with Epic or the dev to not come across as shills. Me, and a big chunk of viewers value the... err at least, "look" of Streamers and LP'ers that are not sellouts. I value the opinion of streamers/LP'ers less that are doing sponsored content, if they do it more and more, i will completely avoid them.
To be fair, there are a LOT of Twitch streamers who play a variety of games who have dozens to hundreds of subscribers, just not the big numbers. Courting the small streamers with cash incentives is probably going to be super easy and it's just another money = people on the store component for Epic, which seems to be their main method for driving numbers up, and they are hitting every angle their money can buy. Except for, you know, a modern level of development on their platform
Super Meat boy
What remains of Edith Finch (current)
You don't know jack (next)
But how big is the audience, really? Or rather, unique viewers, Some watch several streamers play the same game. (either because the streamers has no more interest in the game after a while, or ends his stream, or the viewer wants a different viewpoint/playstyle)To be fair, there are a LOT of Twitch streamers who play a variety of games who have dozens to hundreds of subscribers, just not the big numbers. Courting the small streamers with cash incentives is probably going to be super easy and it's just another money = people on the store component for Epic, which seems to be their main method for driving numbers up, and they are hitting every angle their money can buy. Except for, you know, a modern level of development on their platform
And how many of those people who watch a story focused game or platformer really buy the game itself?
I do sometimes, but mostly after I am on the fence about a game and watch streamers or lpers play the game to get a final opinion. But that#s not even 5% of my watching habit. mostly i watch games I will never buy because of skill or boring gameplay, or because I already have the game.
Oh it will almost never amount to much on its own. Again, Epic is just literally throwing money at every avenue to draw consumers to their store, because they offer nothing else currently (nor will they in the future, apparently). They probably are hoping a few variety streamers will join in, some game or other will become huge via word of mouth, and they can ride those coattails (of other people actually promoting the game on their own) to get more streamers on board and more devs on board as well., and later on they'll stop subsidizing that +-5% cut for the "influencer" but they'll have their customers already.
I never watch any streams, and I mean never, nor youtube, aside of trailers. I understand that I'm maybe not a standard, but that is a terrible idea not to do any promotions or highlights in your store, I'd go as far as to say beyond terrible.
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Previously Japan only PSP game. I'll take it tbh. My PSP is long dead.weird take on Agarest
I just keep a really short friends list on purpose. Cuz I'm a jerk or somethin'. Think the biggest my list ever got was 45. Then I panicked and culled it to 32. It's nothing personal or maliciously motivated, just people I don't talk to, share common interests with, or interact with frequently. One tough pill to swallow for me was always that people on your friend's list could instantly chat with you, and I don't really like to chat on that level with people I'm not personal with or long-time friendly. I had such a hard time joining and getting used to discord for this reason. (And even then I've found I prefer smaller servers, so sorry I almost never visit PCGamingEra discord lol.) Forums to the rescue! This old-school feeling has a layer of disconnect between time and people. I appreciate that feeling/layer.
I suppose for people with friends numbering in the hundreds though, managing them would be a pain yeah. Probably not very personal at that level either. That would give me some wicked anxiety.
This old-school feeling has a layer of disconnect between time and people. I appreciate that feeling/layer.I suppose for people with friends numbering in the hundreds though, managing them would be a pain yeah. Probably not very personal at that level either. That would give me some wicked anxiety.
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well at least we're still friends on steamI just keep a really short friends list on purpose. Cuz I'm a jerk or somethin'. Think the biggest my list ever got was 45. Then I panicked and culled it to 32. It's nothing personal or maliciously motivated, just people I don't talk to, share common interests with, or interact with frequently. One tough pill to swallow for me was always that people on your friend's list could instantly chat with you, and I don't really like to chat on that level with people I'm not personal with or long-time friendly. I had such a hard time joining and getting used to discord for this reason. (And even then I've found I prefer smaller servers, so sorry I almost never visit PCGamingEra discord lol.) Forums to the rescue!
I suppose for people with friends numbering in the hundreds though, managing them would be a pain yeah. Probably not very personal at that level either. That would give me some wicked anxiety.
yaaaaybut yeah, i totally get what you mean ... forums have this nice advantage that you don't have to be there are the exact moment a conversation about something is happening ... that's what threads are for ... so even if you jump in a few hours later - you can still read what people were saying and add to it ... and it's awesome
Discord annoys me for the same reasons. It's more like a permanent chat room than a forum. Which is totally fine, but generally not what I am looking to participate in.
That said, I definitely still use it for stuff like VOIP in games. It's quite good at being that voice tool that everyone (probably) has, like Ventrilo and Mumble were back when I played WoW semi-regularly. The chat-rooms are a bonus ontop of that imo. Apparently they also have a store. LOL.
That said, I definitely still use it for stuff like VOIP in games. It's quite good at being that voice tool that everyone (probably) has, like Ventrilo and Mumble were back when I played WoW semi-regularly. The chat-rooms are a bonus ontop of that imo. Apparently they also have a store. LOL.
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I have a soft-spot for super nice and selfless people. Plus you helped me out with that silly password situation. And let me write a recommendation for Senran Kagura. And invited me here in the first place. And we talk here a lot.well at least we're still friends on steam
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