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As for Microsoft’s Xbox Series X, Sweeney isn’t saying the new Xbox won’t be able to achieve something similar; both are using custom SSDs that promise blazing speeds. But he says Epic’s strong relationship with Sony means the company is working more closely with the PlayStation creator than it does with Microsoft on this specific area.
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Li Kao

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I'm waiting for the rerelease of 1 to play the Mafia games myself.
By the way, is there some live event going on ? Because, put angry grandpa mask on, would it fucking kill you to link to it ? :disapproval-blob:
I expected the UE5 thing but then people talk about Sony and I'm what ?
 

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As for Microsoft’s Xbox Series X, Sweeney isn’t saying the new Xbox won’t be able to achieve something similar; both are using custom SSDs that promise blazing speeds. But he says Epic’s strong relationship with Sony means the company is working more closely with the PlayStation creator than it does with Microsoft on this specific area.
I'm facepalming slightly. When did company politics start dictating engine feature availability? I mean, I can understand if this is a veil-of-secrecy kind of thing. But considering this is Epic, this sounds like Microsoft refused to pay Epic for the privilege of demonstrating it on Xbox or something.

Blergh all around. It's the usual early next-gen nonsense.
 

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I kinda wonder if Epic and Sony's "strong relationship" will have any bearing on Sony's evident plans to start putting their games on PC. Sony are very blatantly testing the waters with Horizon: Zero Dawn, and they'll probably need a partner familiar with the PC space down the road. Most AAA publishers have dedicated studios that handle PC stuff for them, and I don't know if Sony has one.

It's kinda weird because Epic and Microsoft are also extremely tight. MS use Unreal in everything. They use Unreal more than Sony, at least currently. But I really wouldn't be surprised if that "surprise" Silent Hill reboot trailer plays in June and then there's an Unreal, PS5, and Epic Store logo at the end.
 

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I'm waiting for the rerelease of 1 to play them myself.
By the way, is there some live event going on ? Because, put angry grandpa mask on, would it fucking kill you to link to it ? :disapproval-blob:
I expected the UE5 thing but then people talk about Sony and I'm what ?
During the interview with Keighley after the UE5 video, Sweeney kept saying PS5 is the messiah that decend from heaven to be the one and all gaming machine, it would destroy all its competirors and purge the earth from the low performance of high end PCs.
 

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Wait, come again?



I'm facepalming slightly. When did company politics start dictating engine feature availability? I mean, I can understand if this is a veil-of-secrecy kind of thing. But considering this is Epic, this sounds like Microsoft refused to pay Epic for the privilege of demonstrating it on Xbox or something.

Blergh all around. It's the usual early next-gen nonsense.
Well this is Sweeney we’re talking about
 

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Might just be "strong relationship" as in PS4 sold more and has a bigger following so lets promote our new stuff there/mentioned it runs on that. Just like the COD stuff for PS4 which previously was promoted on the Xbox 360 last generation, although in that case (those maybe) I bet there was money involved.
 

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The first? Other than the voice over not being too good based on the trailer, I'm interested. Wonder if they nerf the racing mission
indeed i am happen to talk about the very first !

A fantastic game, followed up by a fair disappointment and garbage disguising as Mafia 3
 
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I kinda wonder if Epic and Sony's "strong relationship" will have any bearing on Sony's evident plans to start putting their games on PC. Sony are very blatantly testing the waters with Horizon: Zero Dawn, and they'll probably need a partner familiar with the PC space down the road. Most AAA publishers have dedicated studios that handle PC stuff for them, and I don't know if Sony has one.

It's kinda weird because Epic and Microsoft are also extremely tight. MS use Unreal in everything. They use Unreal more than Sony, at least currently. But I really wouldn't be surprised if that "surprise" Silent Hill reboot trailer plays in June and then there's an Unreal, PS5, and Epic Store logo at the end.
In this light it's quite odd that Horizon has no EGS store page as of today.
 

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During the interview with Keighley after the UE5 video, Sweeney kept saying PS5 is the messiah that decend from heaven to be the one and all gaming machine, it would destroy all its competirors and purge the earth from the low performance of high end PCs.
I don't know about Keighley's interview but given the, to put it lightly, press's softball attitude with Epic, I'm not surprised. The Verge article reads with a bias against PC that amounts to "because nobody used SSDs before and there wasn't any tech, we are delivering performance that nobody else achieves".

Well, duh.

Also pretty odd how at the same time Epic's CEO both wants the PC market while despising it at the same time. Of course, that's an emotional argument and we all know what's going on there but the contradiction is both amusing and irritating.
 

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In this light it's quite odd that Horizon has no EGS store page as of today.
True. I dunno what Sony are planning. If Sony are trying to objectively judge how well their games will sell on PC, and whether that pleases the pen pushers enough to keep doing it, Steam is the most obvious platform. An even better option is Steam+GOG+Epic. More platforms means more sales. Putting HZD just on Epic would cloud the data because they wouldn't be sure if its sales potential was being capped. Some Steam games are capable of selling insane numbers under the right circumstances. Just look at Monster Hunter World. Sony want THAT pie.

But the HZD PC announcement has been kinda weird. They put up the Steam page, put out the press release, and then we've been waiting. We don't really know anything more. Which I find a tad curious. I do wonder if there are behind the scenes umming and aawing going on.
 

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I don't know about Keighley's interview but given the, to put it lightly, press's softball attitude with Epic, I'm not surprised. The Verge article reads with a bias against PC that amounts to "because nobody used SSDs before and there wasn't any tech, we are delivering performance that nobody else achieves".

Well, duh.

Also pretty odd how at the same time Epic's CEO both wants the PC market while despising it at the same time. Of course, that's an emotional argument and we all know what's going on there but the contradiction is both amusing and irritating.
Oh God! please please! Let Tim Sweeney focus his energy on promoting how much PS5 SSDs is the best thing since sliced bread and let the PC gaming space alone! Let him call every PC gaming a pirate again and leave!
 

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True. I dunno what Sony are planning. If Sony are trying to objectively judge how well their games will sell on PC, and whether that pleases the pen pushers enough to keep doing it, Steam is the most obvious platform. An even better option is Steam+GOG+Epic. More platforms means more sales. Putting HZD just on Epic would cloud the data because they wouldn't be sure if its sales potential was being capped. Some Steam games are capable of selling insane numbers under the right circumstances. Just look at Monster Hunter World. Sony want THAT pie.

But the HZD PC announcement has been kinda weird. They put up the Steam page, put out the press release, and then we've been waiting. We don't really know anything more. Which I find a tad curious. I do wonder if there are behind the scenes umming and aawing going on.
I'd argue, and I don't know if we can agree on this, that Horizon is actually a very poor "test" to gauge how more revenue the PC market could generate for Sony. I think launching a big AAA game day and date on Steam + Playstation would give them a much clearer picture.
Horizon won't do good numbers on Steam if Sony are hiding this release, at least right now they are not promoting it.
 

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I will get Playstation games on no matter what store it is releases on, I just don't want to get a console for them. It would really suck if they don't get a release on Steam though, but they should release them on Steam at the very lest if they care about the PC audience.

Still Im wondering when the hell Sony will announce anything else regarding PC support.
 
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During the interview with Keighley after the UE5 video, Sweeney kept saying PS5 is the messiah that decend from heaven to be the one and all gaming machine, it would destroy all its competirors and purge the earth from the low performance of high end PCs.
It's fairly obvious that the entire team at Epic had their hands tied by whatever deal Sony struck with them. They were not allowed to talk about anything in detail except Sony. They were very conspicuously not allowed to talk about Xbox Series X, and the devs were clearly trying to say, "Games will be the same across platforms," without saying anything that would make Sony look less than perfect. What Sweeney said about SSDs is true. The PS5 SSD is faster than anything you can get for PC currently. On paper. And this will arguably cease to be true within a year or so. March of technology.

The way Epic's employees were clearly under instructions to NOT talk about non-Sony things put a slight sour note on things, IMO. This is very important tech that will drive all Unreal Engine games from about 2022 onwards. And that kinda got overshadowed by Sony wanting it to be a weird puff piece for the PS5 and its magical SSD that (whispers in fine print) the Xbox has, too.
 

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I will get Playstation games on no matter what store it is releases on, I just don't want to get a console for them. It would really suck if they don't get a release on Steam though, but they should release them on Steam at the very lest if they care about the PC audience.

Still Im wondering when the hell Sony will announce anything else regarding PC support.
"When the hell will Sony announce x" seems to be Sony's entire motto at the moment.
 

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I'd argue, and I don't know if we can agree on this, that Horizon is actually a very poor "test" to gauge how more revenue the PC market could generate for Sony. I think launching a big AAA game day and date on Steam + Playstation would give them a much clearer picture.
Horizon won't do good numbers on Steam if Sony are hiding this release, at least right now they are not promoting it.
I think it's slightly comparable to Halo on Steam. Like, you're not wrong that day and date would give a clearer picture. But the very late ports of Halo on PC have done fantastically. Shown that there is a real hunger for Halo on PC, (There was always a hunger and a passionate PC fanbase that MS decided to screw over because reasons back in the day) and if Microsoft hadn't already promised Infinite on PC they would be scrambling to get a port up and running.
And that's DESPITE the Halo PC ports being a tad half baked in places. The Reach audio issues are really grating, and will hopefully be fixed soon.
 

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I think it's slightly comparable to Halo on Steam. Like, you're not wrong that day and date would give a clearer picture. But the very late ports of Halo on PC have done fantastically. Shown that there is a real hunger for Halo on PC, (There was always a hunger and a passionate PC fanbase that MS decided to screw over because reasons back in the day) and if Microsoft hadn't already promised Infinite on PC they would be scrambling to get a port up and running.
And that's DESPITE the Halo PC ports being a tad half baked in places. The Reach audio issues are really grating, and will hopefully be fixed soon.
Halo has big minshare on PC though. Horizon being a success on PC will take quite a bit of pushing from Sony.
If they don't do this it will probably flop.

I'll do my part because I'd like other AAA 1st party stuff from Sony on PC.
 

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If they don't do this it will probably flop.
Lol no

Steam can help sales on it's own. There's plenty of games, especially indie games, that have barely any marketing or no marketing at all that sold incredible simply based on word of mouth and Steam promoting it with different discovery features.

Horizon Zero Dawn is also the 10th most wishlisted game on Steam ( Steam Search )

And a simple "Horzon Zero Dawn available now" on the front page on the store like Deep Rock Galactic will drive millions towards it's store page.
 

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Halo has big minshare on PC though. Horizon being a success on PC will take quite a bit of pushing from Sony.
If they don't do this it will probably flop.

I'll do my part because I'd like other AAA 1st party stuff from Sony on PC.
That is true, but take Monster Hunter World. Series had never been on PC before. The PC port was a few months late compared to consoles, and it sold like crazy. I think the Chinese market was a big factor there, though. I think HZD is gonna be a pretty big litmus test. I hope it goes well because I'd love for Sony to embrace the PC enthusiast market.
 

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It's fairly obvious that the entire team at Epic had their hands tied by whatever deal Sony struck with them. They were not allowed to talk about anything in detail except Sony. They were very conspicuously not allowed to talk about Xbox Series X, and the devs were clearly trying to say, "Games will be the same across platforms," without saying anything that would make Sony look less than perfect. What Sweeney said about SSDs is true. The PS5 SSD is faster than anything you can get for PC currently. On paper. And this will arguably cease to be true within a year or so. March of technology.

The way Epic's employees were clearly under instructions to NOT talk about non-Sony things put a slight sour note on things, IMO. This is very important tech that will drive all Unreal Engine games from about 2022 onwards. And that kinda got overshadowed by Sony wanting it to be a weird puff piece for the PS5 and its magical SSD that (whispers in fine print) the Xbox has, too.
And everyone will fall into an obvious marketing speak.
 

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Not gonna lie, that was pretty exciting.
Though of course it's a tech demo so the jury is still out on how this will translate into real games. The parts I liked the most were the contextual animation stuff with the door and climbing.

More importantly though I want to know how games will actually look on the new consoles and how they'll run, and what kind of hardware will be required to run shiny new games at 60+ fps and good visuals. Because I'm well aware that I need a new CPU going forward and want to know what I should get.
 

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indeed i am happen to talk about the very first !

A fantastic game, followed up by a fair disappointment and garbage disguising as Mafia 3
Mafia 2 was a solid 7 throughout but the ending still sours me to this day.
Mafia 1 had great story and characters but the gameplay was acceptable at best. I also never understood why so many people dislike the racing mission, the one by the docks where you have to shoot wedges from some cranes iirc is the real nightmare of that game.
 

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More importantly though I want to know how games will actually look on the new consoles and how they'll run, and what kind of hardware will be required to run shiny new games at 60+ fps and good visuals. Because I'm well aware that I need a new CPU going forward and want to know what I should get.
I bet a AMD 3600 and up or a 8700K or faster would last you the entire generation, especially combined with fast RAM on AMD, and you could always overclock either one. But if you are waiting for the consoles to come out then for sure get one from the 4000 series or Rocket Lake on the Intel side.

Personally I'm not gonna upgrade until DDR5 is out and matured, I don't think my 8700K will slow me down anytime soon, especially not at 1440p/144Hz.
 
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