"Virgin playthrough" or "Maiden playthough", like in maiden voyage.
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I think this controversy wouldn't have been as large if they would have presented a good alternative. Some tried, but many of them missed the point of blind playthrough. I think Spoiler-free is a pretty decent replacement, and I'm sure there's something even better out there. If blind folks feel a way about the term, then I have no say in it. I just wish Twitch would finally develop features that they've been asking for, or at least tell us they're going to.
"Spoiler-free" sounds good!
Edit: Though that could be misunderstood, because like when someone says spoiler free review for example it means one thing.
Edit: Though that could be misunderstood, because like when someone says spoiler free review for example it means one thing.
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But I don't see how "spoiler-free" is an alternative. How can a playthrough be spoiler-free? When someone else watches it for the first time it will be a spoiler for them. And also blind means it's first time for the player
I have seen the term spoiler-free in walkthroughs. That is used to not spoil the story for the first time players. So how can spoiler-free playthrough replace blind playthrough?
Spoiler-free, as in the streamer hasn't played it before and isn't using a guide. I'm not referring to the viewer in this case. I believe a blind playthrough is someone playing a game for the first time without help.
blind playthrough = going in blind (no knowledge of the game).
From yesterday, so this is tomorrow and while I don't think we will see PC collection (it is not the right place) we might see Kiwami 3 (if it exists) and probably the first glimpse of Yakuza 8 
I think "uninformed playthrough" sounds good. Seems to capture the meaning the best.
I thought a "blind play-through" was a blind-folded play-through of Dark Souls like:
I did not know that it was a thing to call a "first play-through" a "blind" play-through. I think it makes sense to use the right terminology here.
Blind or blind-folded. Same meaning for me: you cannot see what is on the screen.
However, an "uninformed" playthrough should not be called a "blind" playthrough. It does not make much sense: you don't know but you can see.
Hype. Btw, don't know if it is possible, but I would also like to play Kenzan Kiwami.From yesterday, so this is tomorrow and while I don't think we will see PC collection (it is not the right place) we might see Kiwami 3 (if it exists) and probably the first glimpse of Yakuza 8
And the two PSP games !
And wasn’t there another historic spin off ? Sorry if there wasn’t, waking up.
Welp USPS tracking updated today and my package was returned to US for some reason and departed again from airport in US.
Out of all the thing to feel irked at, I think it is rather light and nobody got hurt, so... A nice Monday overall!
You know what else smells like Monday? A fire in your apartment building. Nobody got hurt either.
You know what else smells like Monday? A fire in your apartment building. Nobody got hurt either.
SEGA actually talked about bringing the Japan setting ones overseas and well, while nothing has happened yet, I think it will at some point as they know there is interest for this one.
It'd be nice if they'd also address the future of Yakuza 7 for us Asian plebs. If they're going to cancel it, just say it and end our suffering.From yesterday, so this is tomorrow and while I don't think we will see PC collection (it is not the right place) we might see Kiwami 3 (if it exists) and probably the first glimpse of Yakuza 8
Oh fuck, the cat tree should arrive today or tomorrow.
Rearranging the whole living room soon
Rearranging the whole living room soon
If you're getting offended by "blind playthrough" when you know full well what it means, you need to get real.
It's not about what most people feel about that wording, it's about a particular minority of people without effective eyesight. And I don't think we should be telling them how to feel about a word that's loaded with all kinds of misconceptions and negative associations.
I find it much more sympathetic when someone calls out a word that they feel is othering them, then a group of people acting like "snowflakes" (not talking about anyone here on Meta) because a common phrase they are used to might actually not be perfect.
I must say that for all the open mindedness I preached a few days ago, this controversy is pushing my limits a little bit.
Granted, it's not my place to judge what is or isn't offensive to people concerned, so eh. But blind playthrough has a meaning, going in blind. It's not used to demean. It's not used to joke. And while you can argue this is making light of a real condition, you are fighting a battle against a figure of speech.
And on another far lesser matter, I am now certain my DS4 has a bad contact which explain a large part of my recent troubles.
I can still play wireless, so there's that, but then good luck finding the magical position to make it charge.
Unfortunate, because I just tried Tetris Connected yesterday and it was good. Not in love with it, it's basically the now classic audio video trip seen in Lumines and co, but good.
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The problem is when does it stop, especially for a word that has no malicious intent behind it. Feels like a vocal minority kicking up a fuss.
Who knows maybe food labels will have to ban the word 10% fat because someone takes offense to that word.
CDKeys now has that little disclaimer on the Cyberpunk page :
NOTE: This is a pre-order, please read our Pre Order information here before purchasing
Only thing of worth I can think when reading the associated link of is CDKeys covering their bases if their keys don't unlock the pre-order bonuses.
I don't know where the fuck to buy this game anymore. The discount has entered 'light' territory and I'm not sure it comes with the extra content anymore.
NOTE: This is a pre-order, please read our Pre Order information here before purchasing
Only thing of worth I can think when reading the associated link of is CDKeys covering their bases if their keys don't unlock the pre-order bonuses.
I don't know where the fuck to buy this game anymore. The discount has entered 'light' territory and I'm not sure it comes with the extra content anymore.
To me it feels like it's not the minority people who get offended, instead it is the PC people who feels like they have the rights to fight for minority who gets offended.
I read a few tweet conversation, and none of the blind people felt offended in any way
I read a few tweet conversation, and none of the blind people felt offended in any way
Changing a couple words around is something really easy to do so why not (as long as it happens in addition to actual change/help and isn't some meaningless token gesture).
I am worried though that this might be a "be careful what you wish for"- situation. If you hear words like "cancer", "autistic" or "retarded" you 100% know it's either an insult or "medical" and the word on its own becomes a trigger where you immediately prepare for and assume the worst. If you hear "blind" the word is so multifaceted it could be anything, all the way up to say one of the happiest days of someones life because a blind date went amazing. Not sure taking all those meanings away from blind and turning it into another purely negative/depressing trigger word is a good idea.
I am worried though that this might be a "be careful what you wish for"- situation. If you hear words like "cancer", "autistic" or "retarded" you 100% know it's either an insult or "medical" and the word on its own becomes a trigger where you immediately prepare for and assume the worst. If you hear "blind" the word is so multifaceted it could be anything, all the way up to say one of the happiest days of someones life because a blind date went amazing. Not sure taking all those meanings away from blind and turning it into another purely negative/depressing trigger word is a good idea.
I think it is due to some contractual relationships between Sega and certain party (eg. Sony) regarding the Asian version. Come on, they can't hate money that much. right?
The game was released on 16th Jan 2020 on PS4. Let's see if we will hear anything after the same date on 2021.
Yeah, there are two. Kenzan and Ishin. Kenzan was the first PS3 Yakuza game while Ishin was released during PS4 era.
I disagree. "Going in blind" has a meaning. "Blind playthrough" does not convey the right meaning:
- I understand it as a blindfolded speedrun challenge,
- the playthrough is not blind, and it could not be.
As for this, I have similar issues:
- I have no idea what the R word is.
- when I read the tweet, I thought he was replying to a tweet by a user named folx. I had no idea that he was using "folx" as a word, I guess adding an -x is some kind of neutral plural form to Spawn.
- whenever I discover some bubble on social media, it is like reading a new language on which a few people agreed for some reason. It does not feel inclusive to me. It is actually rather anxiety-inducing: if you do not go on social media for a year, then that is it for you, elder, you are out of touch.
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Controversial opinion time but i honestly think inclusive language is largely pointless because inclusion is pretty much always implicit, the act of exclusion often just is artificially created, such as the christmas market conversation in germany last year where some academic white wokelets complained that christmas markets aren't inclusive to muslims and jews as though christmas markets had fuck all to do with christian religion and haven't become a celebration of all-inclusive neoliberal capitalist consumption over a 100 years ago.
Christmas is pegan that the damned Christians stole from us!!
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When does what stop? This is such a minor thing, you aren't robbed of anything. No one is banning the world, Twitch is just removing a tag. You are still free to call your Twitch streams whatever you want. Also, that it's a vocal minority is the point. If we want a more open, and inclusive society, we should at least pretend to listen to those who are often and easily ignored.
I honestly can't take anyone serious who is making a fuss about this. It's a good thing on part of Twitch.
Thing is, I don't know if there's many vision impaired people who took offense about, but I'm saying the first instinct shouldn't be to feel offended that someone might question established words and terms. It's also hard to really know how many vision impaired people felt bad about "blind playthrough", btw. I doubt everyone in a minority would feel safe enough to openly speak up (imagine that, gaming is kinda toxic sometimes), and naturally not everyone in a community will agree or care about everything. That's normal, so one or few tweets here and there don't prove anything, either way.
I assume Twitch got enough feedback to assume there's a sizeable number of people who feel strongly about it, and then took action. And again, they are removing a tag. Not exactly some drastic, irreversible step.
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wish they'd done more, though (like added some tools to help visually impaired people watch/create streams) ... this is kind of a meaningless gesture on its own ... but at least with that change now there's a place for actual playthroughs made by blind people .... 'cause before there wasn't really a good way to tag those streams (and they do exist)
The R word is "Retard".
Folx is supposed to mean "Folks" but in a more inclusive manner because it also includes non-binary people etc.
Now you might want to say "Folks" is already all-inclusive and you'd be right to make that point, but the idea is that by Folx, you are going out of your way to signalboost you don't just mean everyone (men and women) but everyone (men, women and non-binary).
Your last point is actually a good point that i haven't thought about much before, i'm extremely online and up2date with internet slang and the likes and even i get sometimes confused when reading some woke 19 year olds tweets.
That's a good idea, but also really hard to do if your main content is visual. A useful idea to me, would be automatic generation of closed captions, plus voice generated narration. Youtube is doing that, and I guess Twitch could work with Google to use their tech, would make for good PR for them both.
And again, removing a tag, doesn't preclude other action. It's just a nice gesture.
Not really on this topic, but kind related is this article I read today: Two very different approaches to restoring vision
It's kind of amazing how science is progressing. Hope one day basic vision and hearing can be restored for everybody who needs/wants it.
But the meaning of words changes. Fast. Much, much faster than a dictionary.
And... dictionaries and "official" forms of language are a million times more political than someone saying they feel uncomfortable with the use of one word. Here we're not supposed to use English words because it would tarnish the purity of our beautiful language (lovely, feels like the good old days when we shipped the unwelcome to our German friends).
So a group of old rich white men (and a few women) literally invent words to replace the newly created English ones currently in use. Not natural in the slightest, nobody follows, but legally, it must apply and be followed.
That's the precise meaning. The "real" words. What will be in the dictionary and official documents.
And I say that it's all garbage by out of touch muppets too busy wanking over their past.
I'll gladly listen to the opinions of people concerned by the words and evolve language as it has been for thousands of years rather than be ordered by a nebulous private entity supposed to represent the people, or not at all and only in for the money.
Because I'll send the sentence back to the opponents: "when does it stop?" When do we have to stop using words and making new ones because people with money told you to? Because that's already a thing, ask in China.
Nobody's stopping you to call people the N word. But if you can't take in people telling you worse for it, shut up snowflake?
It's very hard to take Twitch seriously when they would rather make their ad tech more intrusive than add features to actually improve the experience of the visually impaired users or dealing with people that say much more harmful words.
Good job, you banned a word, collect your social media woke check on the left booth while fostering people that openly use retard and autistic as insults.
Good job, you banned a word, collect your social media woke check on the left booth while fostering people that openly use retard and autistic as insults.
Thanks.
The issue is that the meaning is lost. Best case scenario: one takes the time to look up the word and finds a definition (or at least an explanation) on "urban dictionary" (where one can find the worst things) or some personal blogpost, or in some random Twitter thread. Middle case scenario: one infers the meaning from the context. Worst case scenario: one skips the posts.
As for folx, the definition/explanation can actually be found online on a "dictionary" website: What Does Folx Mean And Why Do People Spell It That Way?
[UWSL]made without some prior knowledge: [UWSL]a blind purchase; [/UWSL]a blind lead in a card game.[/UWSL]
- is from that same dictionary as one of the meanings of "blind"
2.
a. Performed or made without the benefit of background information that might prejudice the outcome or result: blind taste tests used in marketing studies.
b. Performed without preparation, experience, or knowledge: a blind stab at answering the question.
- this is from another one
"Blind playthrough" could easily be other meanings of "blind" if you don't have any context, which would leave room for a better term to be used, i'm not arguing against that, but "not in the dictionary" strikes me as a weird point to make since it is in every dictionary i had a look at, it's just one of the many many words with so many use cases that you're often required to infer the meaning from context.
This. The gesture would mean more if Twitch actually did things to help. It's an empty gesture.
Meaning is given by people, not words. Literally. Which means "literally", and also its opposite, because people used it ironically depending on context.
Words are a strange beast.
True. My point about the dictionary (and more specifically my issue to understand new words used in small circles, and for which there is no obvious reference to look at for the rest of us) was not about "blind".
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I completely agree and I think it's just idiots poisoning the tone of the discourse for others. It's really a matter of-
"Hey, this isn't the best because it muddies the waters for us, let's find another term"
"Alright"
There, done. But since it's Twitter and people must have a battle to fight and shed each other's blood, it took a size that the removal of a tag perhaps shouldn't have. Hell, it probably should have been done in private, but would Twitch have budged in that case? Pretty crazy in both cases.
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