Community MetaSteam | February 2024 - Let's bring democracy into the zone with love

[kio]

Nintendo would make a killing if they start porting their old classic titles to Steam at like 15-20$ each. With Steam cards and achievements they would bring in so much additional revenue because you know Steam/PC community will eat that shit up. And they have hundreds n hundreds of games they can do that with.

But really if Nintendo ever did such a thing there is no chance they would release games on Steam. They are the type of company who will make their own storefront (as shit as it would be) and they would get away with it. They would do really well too unlike most of these other Steam competitors.

I might be wrong but I believe you're overvaluing the power Nintendo really has and how gullible PC players are.
There's zero chance old games at 15$-20$ each would sell on PC. Compilations at that price absolutely, for instance a NES+SNES Mario collection or 3D Mario collection with 3 or 4 games, otherwise they'd bomb hard. The PC player base has a well recorded history of voting with their wallets and not allowing such rampant exploitation like their console counterparts, so if Nintendo tries to pull off the same type of shenanigans when releasing old games as they do with their consoles they'll crash and burn.
There's also the fact that, outside of a few gigantic names like Mario or Zelda (to some extent), there really aren't that many bankable IPs that PC players would flock to get. Outside of the 2 I mentioned I can think of Fire Emblem and Metroid and those are a huge 'maybe'. Kirbi, starfox, yoshi, smash, etc wouldn't sell on PC outside of a very small niche of players. I don't know how big the party games playerbase on PC is so Mario Party might be a 'maybe' also but even then it's banking on the mario name more than anything else.

As for they having their own storefront, I believe it can happen but I don't see it succeeding. It's been tried in the past by big publishers with much more PC-centric audiences and IPs and failed so why would it work for nintendo? Again, I don't see the PC crowd flocking towards nintendo stuff just because it's nintendo and I don't see their console centric fans switching to PC just because they can, they're loyal to their box and will remain so till the end.

It's a fun topic but completely irrelevant because it's practically impossible that nintendo releases games outside of their ecosystem, it would completely destroy their business model.

 

[fantomena]

Both Playstation devs and PS players/fanboys are using Steam data as a marketing tool for Helldivers 2.

 

[Mana]

another day another peak

 

[yuraya]

I might be wrong but I believe you're overvaluing the power Nintendo really has and how gullible PC players are.
There's zero chance old games at 15$-20$ each would sell on PC. Compilations at that price absolutely, for instance a NES+SNES Mario collection or 3D Mario collection with 3 or 4 games, otherwise they'd bomb hard. The PC player base has a well recorded history of voting with their wallets and not allowing such rampant exploitation like their console counterparts, so if Nintendo tries to pull off the same type of shenanigans when releasing old games as they do with their consoles they'll crash and burn.
There's also the fact that, outside of a few gigantic names like Mario or Zelda (to some extent), there really aren't that many bankable IPs that PC players would flock to get. Outside of the 2 I mentioned I can think of Fire Emblem and Metroid and those are a huge 'maybe'. Kirbi, starfox, yoshi, smash, etc wouldn't sell on PC outside of a very small niche of players. I don't know how big the party games playerbase on PC is so Mario Party might be a 'maybe' also but even then it's banking on the mario name more than anything else.

As for they having their own storefront, I believe it can happen but I don't see it succeeding. It's been tried in the past by big publishers with much more PC-centric audiences and IPs and failed so why would it work for nintendo? Again, I don't see the PC crowd flocking towards nintendo stuff just because it's nintendo and I don't see their console centric fans switching to PC just because they can, they're loyal to their box and will remain so till the end.

It's a fun topic but completely irrelevant because it's practically impossible that nintendo releases games outside of their ecosystem, it would completely destroy their business model.

PC gamers have been gullible suckers for a long time. Everyone buying 70$ games now with a smile on their face and cheering on concurrent charts like they are stock quotes

but really I don't see the dozens n dozens of popular classic Nintendo games failing at 15-20$ each on steam store. Remember Persona 4 was basically stealth dropped that one time and sold really really well at 20$. I can't imagine something like a Pokemon Yellow or Mario 64 not having same instant impact on the top sellers list. After all millions of switch owners subscribe to online to play classics so they have that type of value. And many continue to pay money for games they already paid money to Nintendo to play in the past lol.

But even if you break down the value over time periods. Lets say their games from the 80s go for 10$. The 90s for 15$ and the early 2000s go for 20$. I think there is at least 50 games that would do really well on Steam. A lot of them would hit in the millions of revenue for Nintendo in matter of days and continue selling for many years because a lot of those games have long time fans. If we factor in steam achievements and cards + millions of Deck owners out there who would instabuy so many titles....I just don't see much failure. The Steam community would prop up a lot of the classics with positive reviews too so even stuff that never sold in the first place would do impressive #s.

The only way Nintendo could fuck up a business plan like that is if the ports are trash. or they get greedy by pushing 25-30$. I think at that type of price there would be flops for sure. They would need to start bringing much newer games (2010-present) to capitalize on the higher 30-60$ price tags imo.

But yea I don't really see Nintendo doing something like that unless they are in dire need of $$$. I mean you never know with how capitalism is in this industry. Everyone wants infinite growth so yea. And it will be hard for Nintendo to give up a 30% cut to Valve. They are way too arrogant and protective of their ip thats why I only see them going down the route of having their own storefront. They would tie their ecosystems together like that similar to how Xbox does with PC gamepass + Steam sales. Only with Nintendo it would be Switch 2 + PC storefront.

 

[Lashley]

We already get day and date Nintendo games on PC

 

[Stevey]

 

[PC-tan]

Both Playstation devs and PS players/fanboys are using Steam data as a marketing tool for Helldivers 2.

I'm curious about the PS Dec part. Technically I have only seen 2 people this far doing that. One being the CEO of Arrow head that replies to those types of post and another Sony guy pointing out how the game was on Steams top selling charts.

 

[didamangi]

Are there actually well made mouses or is everything as shit as Logitech ?

Go for an optical switch mouse for your next one.

I've stopped buying Logitech mice because they always end up double clicking and/or having deteriorated rubber grips after about a year.
Planned obsolescence GARBAGE

This man speaks the truth. Never again.

 

[crimsonheadGCN]

I've stopped buying Logitech mice because they always end up double clicking and/or having deteriorated rubber grips after about a year.
Planned obsolescence GARBAGE
The best mouse I've ever owned, and one I still use even after 7 years of use, is the Mionix Naos 7000.

This has been the same experience for me with the last 3 Logitech mice. After a year, they would start double clicking. So I decided to use a Steel Series mouse that I won during a Twitch stream a few years ago and it's been good so far.

 

[NarohDethan]

I’ve accepted that peripherals are pretty much consumables now and have to be replaced every two years or so.

 

[Li Kao]

I have caved and bought Timberborn.
The tutorial was interesting, do this, that and oh, that, too. Now fuck you, try things. We didn't even review the dam, ffs.
Very conflicted still about the game, will have to play more. It has the air of a great game, but the devil is in the details and they are more nuanced.

First, I have no clue how to do things and toward what end I'm working. Thanks Tuto-sama.
Second, they imho completely fucked the breathing, the rhythm of the game. If you don't play in super fast forward, nothing moves, but then say goodbye to immersion with your turbo fast beavers from hell.
Third, I'm not having the classic management feeling but more of the survival one, always working toward a specific goal to unlock another goal, not my thing.

Again, I still have to make sense of irrigation, so my opinion may change greatly. High level play looks to includes a sort of factory play, and I''m still very much vanilla hunter gatherer, so to speak.

 

[Kyougar]

I've been using this bad boy for the last few years

14€ every 2-4 years

don't need fancy mice since I stopped playing competitive games seriously

 

[Line]

I've spend decades using "gamer" products when they weren't popular (thanks MMOs), and in the end... it's all a bit shit, so now I use cheap things, because Logitech is okay but has issues indeed, and some other big names are just utter garbage. Corsair being the worst, but anything that has a known brand will stay well away from my PC.

And frankly? Razer was ten times better than the modern stuff so... as much as I'd like to riff on them, their products proved themselves to me, can't really complain? Not that I'd like to promote them since their MO is buying small companies and making the same product more expensive. But they never broke in a year so there's that.

Now that's purely for mouse and keyboard... for sound I won't move away from Sennheiser.

 

[Lashley]

 

[lashman]

 

[fantomena]

Received a promo code for Banishers: Ghosts of New Eden. Didn't expect that.

 

[toxicitizen]

Last March I bought a Razer Deathadder v2 to replace the Logitech G5 v2 I used for 14 years. Let's see if it breaks in the next 40 days

I had a Deathadder over a decade ago and it definitely started being wonky very quickly. It lasted more than a year but it was fast enough to make me swear off Razer products entirely. That being said, I really hope they improved their build quality, both for your sake and mine, because I dropped like 450$ on a Razer Kitsune just before Christmas....

 

[Deku]

I've been using this bad boy for the last few years

14€ every 2-4 years

don't need fancy mice since I stopped playing competitive games seriously

Would love to know the name of this mouse

 

[LEANIJA]

Would love to know the name of this mouse

HP X220 Backlit Gaming Mouse

Shop HP.com Australia for HP X220 Backlit Gaming Mouse (8DX48AA). Enjoy Low Prices when you buy now online.

www.hp.com

(from a quick google image search )

 

[Arc]

I finished Persona 3 Reload. While I think there are some major flaws, everything from December onward is top notch and the ending hits hard. Still kind of salty I couldn't die in Mitsuru's lap instead of Aigis.

 

[dex3108]

Night City from CP2077 is one of the best looking and most atmospheric cities in games but it is also one of th emost boring ones. You really have nothing to do in it.

 

[Parsnip]

Optical switch mice are a bit too rich for my blood.
I've been more or less satisfied with the Deathadder V2 X Hyperspeed, but I miss the having a dedicated middle mouse button in addition to the mouse wheel button. I make do with the thumb buttons, but whatever my next nice is, is going to have a dedicated button there.
It seems that having AA/AAA battery options for mice is getting rarer and rarer and wanting that also limits my choices quite a lot.
So from Razer for example, seems like the Basilisk V3 X HyperSpeed and Viper V3 HyperSpeed tick both boxes. One of those might be my next mouse, at some point.

 

[Durante]

I still don't see a need for a wireless mouse for my desktop PC setup (bluetooth is quite convenient for a laptop mouse). I do have a mouse cord holder/bungee thing, so I can't even remember the last time I felt that the cord was in the way (or I even thought about it at all). I feel like wireless would just introduce potential failure modes in that setup. (Same goes for the PC keyboard)

 

[SaberVS7]

Been thinking... Anyone remember when Call of Duty 4 was the "worst"* Skinnerbox gaming was considered to have?

...God, how naive we were for how much worse things could get.

*

Excluding obviously garbage webgames like Farmville and other early MTX'd trash hosted on Facebook

I feel like wireless would just introduce potential failure modes in that setup.

Been using a wireless mouse (with a wireless charging mousepad) here for the past few months, and no issues so far at all - Honestly it feels like it's done me well in Counter-Strike on account of removing the added friction (and occasional snagging) that routinely got in my way using wired mice.

 

[Alexandros]

Steam having concurrent user numbers freely available was such a brilliant move. The platform gets free viral marketing with every game that becomes a success.

 

[「Echo」]

Someone post an example of these "optical switch" mice. A good one. Cuz Amazon just lists a bunch of Razer garbage, a Logitech G502 X with "hybrid-mechanical-optical" Switches?? And a Corsair M65.

 

[ZKenir]

Star Rail is amazing as is basically anime turn based mass effect

 

[Mivey]

I still don't see a need for a wireless mouse for my desktop PC setup (bluetooth is quite convenient for a laptop mouse). I do have a mouse cord holder/bungee thing, so I can't even remember the last time I felt that the cord was in the way (or I even thought about it at all). I feel like wireless would just introduce potential failure modes in that setup. (Same goes for the PC keyboard)

I have all sorts of object lying around my desk, so not having to worry about a cable on a moving object is nice. And the mice has a magnetic dock, so when I don't use it, I can put it there, and don't need to worry about battery level either. Feels pretty conveninet.

 

[Mana]

 

[Line]

Started

It's a metroidvania, and also a flashbang laced with LSD.
It sounds interesting. But I spent an hour and then this happened:

Yes, your guess for what is going on is as good as mine and I have played this moment.

And now I respawned at the start of the game, I lost all the progression I did except the map, and everything has respawned including items.

This is not a rogue-lite.
All I know is that it uses death and rebirth for progress, but I never played a game for an hour and left off more confused than I was before starting it. Call me interested, this sure is unique.

Also, tons of good accessibility options, both for customizing damage you take (even -100%) but also visually, almost everything can be toggled off, I removed CA and vignetting, but you can go further and blur the background and foreground, discolor them at will for better visibility, as well as add an outline to your character (which I can imagine would help in boss battles, the first one was already a mess of effects and colors).

 

[Paul]

Night City from CP2077 is one of the best looking and most atmospheric cities in games but it is also one of th emost boring ones. You really have nothing to do in it.

Yes, nothing, that is, except for some 150 quests...

Seriously, Cyberpunk is an RPG, not a sandbox Saints Row-like filled with "activities" and busywork filler, and thank god for that. The city exists to provide immersion while doing quests.

(though ok, the NCPD calls are a bit of a filler, thankfully ignorable)

 

[PC-tan]

Steam having concurrent user numbers freely available was such a brilliant move. The platform gets free viral marketing with every game that becomes a success.

A yes, The Steam company also knows as the owner of the Valve Corporation, correct?

Been thinking... Anyone remember when Call of Duty 4 was the "worst"* Skinnerbox gaming was considered to have?

...God, how naive we were for how much worse things could get.

*

Excluding obviously garbage webgames like Farmville and other early MTX'd trash hosted on Facebook

Been using a wireless mouse (with a wireless charging mousepad) here for the past few months, and no issues so far at all - Honestly it feels like it's done me well in Counter-Strike on account of removing the added friction (and occasional snagging) that routinely got in my way using wired mice.

What's a skinnerbox?





By the way, here is a crazy idea, since there are people online that think that having PS and PC games date and day and stuff is a terrible idea, for single player AAA games and how it would only work for GAAS titles. How would those people feel if Sony purchased Fromsoft (purchased it entire from the hand of those that also have a minority stake in it and all) and decided that the next fromsoft game would release on PS5 and PC the same day globally and with optional cross play. Do you think they would loose their minds and say that Sony has lost it and will now go out of business. Or will they refer to Steam charts yet again, when it manages to pass over 1 million users online? Well most players are on PS5 anyway so that 1 million isn't really that impressive.



If they do release Demon Souls, I'm curious as to how well that would do. But would it be surprising if they somehow managed to sell Bloodborne on PC and sell it for at most $30. Would it hit well over 500k users?

 

[STHX]

Do you think they would loose their minds and say that Sony has lost it and will now go out of business.

Yes, because platform warriors are not sensible people

 

[NarohDethan]

How the fuck is Helldivers still facing server capacity issues. AFAIK Palworld never suffered that.

 

[Sobatronix]

How the fuck is Helldivers still facing server capacity issues. AFAIK Palworld never suffered that.

Are you comparing a game with a multi-billion dollar budget like Palworld to a small indie game like Helldivers? Oh wait...

 

[「Echo」]

Star Rail is amazing as is basically anime turn based mass effect

Sucked into another Gacha!?

 

[NarohDethan]

Sucked into another Gacha!?

 

[Arsene]

How the fuck is Helldivers still facing server capacity issues. AFAIK Palworld never suffered that.

Helldivers is P2P and supports dedicated servers. If Palworld was structured like Helldivers it would have collapsed too lol

 

[PC-tan]

Helldivers is P2P and supports dedicated servers. If Palworld was structured like Helldivers it would have collapsed too lol

That would explain a lot.
My personal experience is that P2P is terrible!!!!!!!!!! And should just not exist. It didn't have dedicated servers but I remember that that how MGO3 was like and it was Terrible. Which is such a shame because of how much it was.




By the way old man yelling at clouds, but


Anune




I'm an old man now, but I'm not a fan of very fast paced action sequence, which is why I both like and don't like Trigger and others since it's just too fast and I can't tell what is even. Going on.


This is also another reason why I praise people like Genndy since he is able to make cool action sequence where you can tell what's going on.



This doesn't just apply to anime but also video games, there are some video games were just too much stuff is going on at once and I can't process it all at once. In the next 20 years get ready for cut scenes that are running at 200mph with all kinds of characters talking all over one another and you just getting disoriented from it all.

 

[BlackRainbowFT]

That's right up my alley. Hopefully there's actually a game there and it's not just a "sim" (or a physics toy) like Skater XL..

I saw this on Steam and the game is great. I'd have honestly paid for it. It's a bit on the short side (it took me around 40 minutes) but it's free.

I liked it so much that I wanted to follow the dev and realized they'd published another free game in 2016, which is also excellent if you like Hexcells, Minesweer and any other logic game.


I mean, yay for excellent free games. But why not charge at least a few bucks?

 

[NarohDethan]

Yakuza Like a Dragon completed. Loved this game. Onto Infinite Wealth.

 

[dex3108]

Yes, nothing, that is, except for some 150 quests...

Seriously, Cyberpunk is an RPG, not a sandbox Saints Row-like filled with "activities" and busywork filler, and thank god for that. The city exists to provide immersion while doing quests.

(though ok, the NCPD calls are a bit of a filler, thankfully ignorable)

They should still use city to provide more role-playing. Going just from quest to quest is not role playing. I mean V as merc would do tons of other activities beside shooting.

Also did you realized that Skull&Bones is out? Damn Suicide Squad at least got some buzz when it came out, this AAAA game got nothing XD

 

[itsamiracle]

I still don't see a need for a wireless mouse for my desktop PC setup (bluetooth is quite convenient for a laptop mouse). I do have a mouse cord holder/bungee thing, so I can't even remember the last time I felt that the cord was in the way (or I even thought about it at all). I feel like wireless would just introduce potential failure modes in that setup. (Same goes for the PC keyboard)

Keyboard is where I draw the line, everything else is wireless for me nowadays. I occasionally make exceptions, like using wired headphones for rhythm games where sound latency is a concern.

Also I've found that containing any bundled crapware "Settings App" inside a Virtual Machine and saving my settings in the onboard memory has saved me from a lot of headaches. Initially I did it out of necessity due to lack of Linux support, but now I've adopted this on all my systems.

 

[dex3108]

At this point it is kinda funny that almost every single new hit game somehow missed Epic Store. Helldivers 2 is Sony game, they release all their games on Epic Store and somehow their biggest hit so far missed it.

 

[Cacher]

I'm an old man now, but I'm not a fan of very fast paced action sequence, which is why I both like and don't like Trigger and others since it's just too fast and I can't tell what is even. Going on.

Same, which is why I don't like some action sequence from Ufotable.

Here I would sincerely recommend the action sequences from Horizon in the Middle of Nowhere. Sunrise did a fantastic job in making those fights fast and absurd yet digestible. The show is not for everyone though because it is packed full of lore and pretty difficult to understand if you haven't read the novel.

 

[Cacher]

Discussion - What are you currently playing? (Week 8 of 2024)

New week, new thread! What are you playing? Continuing Dragon Quest 2. I got the ship so should be around the midway point. The world suddenly opens up and now I am exploring places I have a feeling that this adventure is going to be longer than what I expected. Also put some time into...

metacouncil.com

 

[PC-tan]

Am I wrong in assuming that Helldiver 2 is not Sony first live service game and rather it was Predator Hunting ground and some other games as well. Or did people forget about those games already?

Or were those games technically not even live service games?

 

[Censored]

socom, (warhawk), starhawk

 

[Gamall Wednesday Ida]

What's a skinnerbox?

Have you heard the name "Pavlov"? Well, Skinner was Pavlov's bigger, meaner brother.

Where Pavlov's dogs salivated at the sound of the bell -- an involuntary response to the conditioning -- Skinner's rats pushed levers in pursuit of rewards and for fear of punishment -- a voluntary response.

Calling a game a "Skinner box" is comparing its players to rats, conditioned to haemorrhage money through artless but effective manipulation of their primitive impulses. Such a game is what you're left with when you focus so much on the mechanics of monetisation that you forget that games are first supposed to be fun.

It is not a compliment.

 

[Mana]

game is lots of fun.