Today I cut my finger while thinking about the ways to destroy Steam. #NotMyFault #FuckGaben
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Shit! This is REALLY accurate. He tweets like 45.
I've been having a rather flaming discussion with this guy on a gaming group, and he was all like it's just another icon you are just crybabies.
Until at some point he said that his favourite stores are uplay and winstore.
I just... I can't...
Until at some point he said that his favourite stores are uplay and winstore.
I just... I can't...
Wasn't Fortnite largely failure until they
You can tell everything about someone if you examine who are their friends.
Pot met kettle.
Pot met kettle.
He played the Minecraft With Guns game that nobody gives a shit about, not the PUBG knock off that was made while being funded by the makers of PUBG to perform the necessary technical work that would enable PUBG to work and concurrently developing their own version using the work someone else was paying them to do that people now consider synonymous with FortNite
As much as I dislike what Epic are doing at the minute and can't stand Tim Sweeney, I personally don't think there's anything wrong with Epic taking their knowledge and doing a mode of their own, as long as those technical improvements are rolled back into the engine for everyone.
The funny thing is the part I enjoyed the most about Fortnite before all their bullshit, the PvE, has essentially been abandoned or not getting updated anywhere as much so, damnit. Then again despite not really liking Battle Royale at all I'd still play PUBG or COD Blackout over Fortnite.
The funny thing is the part I enjoyed the most about Fortnite before all their bullshit, the PvE, has essentially been abandoned or not getting updated anywhere as much so, damnit. Then again despite not really liking Battle Royale at all I'd still play PUBG or COD Blackout over Fortnite.
Well y’know the beta I was playing in 2015 was Save the World. It wasnt very good and Randy was playing an even earlier version of it.
Battle Royale didnt start development until 2017.
I dunno, I'm sure there were all sorts of 'chinese walls' internally, but its still a little questionable to be working on something that could be considered a direct competitor, while being simultaneously being paid to work on a product and being privy to all sorts of technical design implementations and seeing all of the hurdles they have and benfitting from that experience for your own project.
Like... if Drodo had licenced the Source engine to make Autochess as a standalone project and it had never been a DOTA2 custom game, and Valve were taking money to assist in the technical changes required to make it work, then shortly after it was released announced DOTA Underlords, you'd better believe questions would be raised.
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I mean, the lawsuit that Silicon Knights filed against Epic was on similar grounds; that while being paid by a client to work on engine features, they were using those selfsame features a client was paying for in order to make their own games in competition.
I don't deny that there're plenty of alt-right, white supremacist trash that truly does hate on Epic because of hawk mentality and need to exterminate everything that isn't perceived as inherently western, but these Sinophobia excuses are used to shut a legit criticism of their business practices. Reminds me of some Huawei takes on the other forum: "NSA and CIA already spy on you, so it should be ok if Chinese intelligence spies on you too".
I honestly believe that Tencent has no direct involvement with EGS, but at the same time it's fucking annoying that people dismiss this kind of concerns, when it's normally accepted to, say, not choosing to be customers of companies that makes side deals in weapons to third world countries.
Now, yes, landmines and crippled starving children are more obviously evil than social conditioning and privacy suppression, but still.
As always nobody respects other folks ideals, but are expected to be respected nonetheless.
Now, yes, landmines and crippled starving children are more obviously evil than social conditioning and privacy suppression, but still.
As always nobody respects other folks ideals, but are expected to be respected nonetheless.
I mean they could have just cut that down to 'We understand your frustration and we're sorry. At the same time, we ask the players to understand that we had to make this choice as it is important for our future as a game development company."
That's a really long winded way of saying "sorry, but we needed the money", and it's fine. My interest in the game waxed and waned prior to EGS being involved.
But how else are they going to guilt trip people for being upset at their decisions?
Tencent owns almost half of Epic. While there may not be direct involvement with EGS, no doubt they are present at the most important meetings where Epic's global strategy is being decided.
Which is exactly what they are trying to do.
Look, life's hard. I know it. There's been months that I've genuinely afraid of not being able to pay rent, buy food, pay my significant credit card debt.
I fully sympathize with these devs taking Epic's money.
But one thing I truly dislike is this weird trend of trying to deflect the consequences of their controversial decisions back on their customers (potential or otherwise). I know some folks can be real assholes online, but I hate that they act like the criticism is unwarranted.
I don't know. I mean, the majority of these devs have been very successful in the past, several of them mostly thanks to Steam. Most of the games Epic moneyhatted were also close to completion, so money was coming in anyway.
It's hard for me to sympathize with these devs accepting Epic's money, thereby helping them to cripple Steam and going straight against the wishes of many of their fans.
Well, I"m assuming a case where the devs are dirt poor or very small like house house. Ubi, annapurna, coffee stain and those guys yeah they can go fuck themselves.
Nevermind Steam, Steam will always be ok IMO and not have much to worry about. It's stores like GOG being fucked over that piss me off, despite me loving Steam I do like to buy from GOG as well and it hurts them far more than it hurts Valve imo. It also hurts DRM free fans and gives them even less options than usual.
Haha yeah it's terribleI too am dying under credit card debt.
I just ate $0.17 Ramen for lunch.
but I'm chugging along I think
Haha yeah it's terrible
We’re slowly getting in position to payoff via snowball... but it will take awhile. However, getting rid of some minimums would be huge... or since we’re in this thread... EPIC!
Yeah! I hope your situation gets better soon
i hate how much I relate to this
I'm sorry to hear some of you guys are having such a hard time. No one should be afraid not to be able to buy food. I hope life will be better soon for all of you!
I mean fair enough but they've lost a sale from me for another year
it won't for me ... it's been like that for me since like 2007 ... and it's not getting better, sadly
same ... i was really looking forward to it (especially since i love their Sherlock games) ... but i won't play it until it's on steam ... and it makes me sad
Don't give up m8. Life is full of surprises.
it's been 12 years now ... i'm pretty sure nothing's going to suddenly change, lol
it's ok, though ... i'm pretty much ok with it
at least my PC still works (mostly)
What the hell,,, I don't know what else to say but that that really sucks.
EDIT: I really hope something improves for you one day.
Not gonna pry so I'll just say that there are a ton of folks here that care a great deal about you, lash. You've seen me mention it to others in the mental struggles thread that if you ever need some time to vent or some cheering up we're always here and that goes for you too.
And I share what others have said in the last few posts that I'll continue to hope things do get better for you! I wish I could do more than hope.
Hang in there, okay?
I agree with lashman, crashing to the bottom is a damn slow crawl out of. Ain't no boot straps to pull at.
Indeed. The overwhelming majority of the developers that took Epic's money have had plenty of commercial success.
Which is why Epic targeted them. Pleading poverty won’t wash with me.
Yeah, it seems the lottery is rigged.
I no longer believe anyone who tries to convince or argue that taking Epic's moneyhat will have those funds go into the game's development or to improving it.
Muthafuckas, that money goes into the pub's CEOs and shareholders pockets.
EDIT: Now smaller indies? Ya OK, those guys def. get the moola, but how is having an extra mil or 2 really going to help improve the game? No offense but would they really put 1 mil into developing their game further? If anyone can provide some analytics on that, that'd be nice.
Muthafuckas, that money goes into the pub's CEOs and shareholders pockets.
EDIT: Now smaller indies? Ya OK, those guys def. get the moola, but how is having an extra mil or 2 really going to help improve the game? No offense but would they really put 1 mil into developing their game further? If anyone can provide some analytics on that, that'd be nice.
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Yeah I know, I've been close to the bottom many years ago. I was lucky to have my wife, family and some excellent mental coaches to get me out. Couldn't have done it without them.
I'll understand that devs care about money as long as they understand I will never buy an EGScloosie, not now nor in 50 years.
I feel sick after reading that wccftech article about Sweeneys tweets. It's incredible how journalists who don't know anything about pc gaming suddenly feel the need to write about it anyway.
Selling out to the EGS is not without risk but "free money that might cost us money in a year because its likely Epic will just treat you like a used napkin once the deal is over" doesn't sound as good as a bullet point.
As someone with bills to pay I very much understand taking the deals for smaller games that weren't crowdfunded but don't go crying about mean Valve on twitter when your games don't sell afterwards.
As someone with bills to pay I very much understand taking the deals for smaller games that weren't crowdfunded but don't go crying about mean Valve on twitter when your games don't sell afterwards.
oh, you can be sure at least one of them will complain about bad volvo intentionally not showing their game to anyone in recommendations because they were exclusive
Why would Valve help them in any way? I thought they didn't do anything about discovery? It's only natural for them to compete with the billions of asset flips crowding the front page and burying legit games, right?
don't get me wrong - volvo's recommendation algorithms definitely have problems ....
but i'm pretty sure at least one of those devs, when their games finally goes up on steam 12 months later and doesn't sell 5 billion copies in a week, will complain about volvo intentionally hiding their game
One of the upsides of this whole situation with Epic is that people realized the role of a big part of games media. Expect nothing from outlets with a vested interest in having chummy relations with the industry's big wallets. No one will support customers, we gave for our interests ourselves.
What do we think the reviews for The Sinking City are going to be like? I’m thinking low 6s.